Is the President-Elect blackmail-able over his birth certificate?

Renew America ^ | November 26, 2008 | Michael Gaynor

[ckilmer]

November 26, 2008

Is the President-Elect blackmail-able over his birth certificate?

By Michael Gaynor

It IS cause for concern that the President-Elect is hiding his birth certificate and the logical questions presenting themselves are, why is the President-Elect hiding his birth certificate?, and Is the President-Elect blackmail-able over his birth certificate?

I submit that there is a legitimate public interest in the birth certificate of the President-Elect.

Is the truth about his birth what he wrote in his autobiography, Dreams from My Father, or what he said at the last Alfred E. Smith dinner, or something else?

Is America at risk because the President-Elect is determined to conceal his birth certificate?

Professor Matthew J. Franck feels oppressed over the interest in President-Elect Obama's birth certificate.

Professor Franck, in a National Review Online Bench memo titled "Dear Lord, Make It Stop":

"It's a week after the election, and I'm still getting e-mails that holler about how Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he's not a 'natural born citizen' under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution. Enough already!

"Last winter, even the New York Times was suckered into taking seriously the loopy theory that John McCain is not a natural born citizen because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. As I explained then, his parentage sufficed no matter where he was born, since his parents were U.S. citizens.

"So too with Obama. All indications are that he was born in Hawaii in 1961. The state authorities say they have his birth certificate (though the fact that a modern printout of an electronic record has been made available rather than a photocopy of the 1961 original has sent some people round the bend).

"And what if Obama was not born in the U.S. but instead, as some claim, in Kenya? Well, his mother was an American citizen, and as UCLA law prof and blogger Eugene Volokh explained to the Chicago Tribune, the applicable statutes about foreign birth with one U.S. citizen parent are on Obama's side here."

With all due respect to Professor Franck (and that is plenty), there is more to this than perhaps a legal issue as to whether a child of one United States citizen born abroad is eligible to serve a President of the United States (which should be determined based on principle, not personality). The President-Elect chose to hide his birth certificate instead of to produce it for public inspection. THAT is strange.

How many Presidents of the United States have hidden their birth certificate?

I am not aware of any.

How many presidential candidates have hidden their birth certificates?

To the best of my knowledge, only...THE ONE.

At the Alfred E. Smith dinner this year, then presidential candidate Obama said that he was born on Krypton and sent to earth by his father Jor-El.

Perhaps the truth is stranger than that.

Would a smart politician hide his or her birth certificate if there was nothing problematic about it?

The answer is no.

Such hiding instills or increases doubt about the candidate in some voters and it is in a candidate's best interests to eliminate such doubt if the truth is good.

So, it seems that the President-Elect elected to hide his birth certificate because there is something troublesome about it becoming generally known, and more important than allaying suspicion.

Professor Franck concluded his Bench Memo: "Give it up and get on with life. Barack Obama is going to become president on January 20, 2009. He won, fair and square, an office he is eligible to occupy. So stop with the fetid, fervid, fevered e-mails, okay?"

It may well be that the President-Elect is eligible to occupy the Oval Office, but without examining that birth certificate, how can Professor Franck assure us that the President-Elect "won, fair and square"?

A November 21, 2008 post by "Nice Deb" titled "Kenyan Ambassador: Obama's Birthplace "Already Well Known In Kenya" suggests that the President-Elect lied about his birthplace and while I don't care per se where he was born, I do care about lying.

"Nice Deb":

"I wasn't going to say any more about the Obama birth certificate controversy, but I found this intriguing.

"Mike in the Morning, a radio talk show out of Detroit MI, (of all places!), decided to call the Kenyan embassy a little over a week ago, and talk about the reaction in Kenya to Obama's victory in the 2008 Presidential election. I think it was meant to be a light hearted interview...it doesn't seem like they went into this with the intention of making headlines. They started off talking to a secretary, but were eventually patched through to the Kenyan Ambassador, H.E. Peter Ogego.

"The pertinent part of the audio starts at 2:35.

"My impression is that the question about Obama's birthplace was meant as a joke... not to be taken seriously. But His Excellency Peter Ogego answered it seriously, and frankly.

"A few things to consider in case you're thinking this was some sort of prank:

1. The audio of this conversation (the first part of the call can be heard, here) is posted at the WRIF radio station's website. I doubt the station would put its reputation and FCC radio license on the line for a hoax.

2. That sure sounds like H.E. Peter Ogego's voice. Compare here.

3. Listen to the genuine surprise of the talk show hosts after the call.The only argument that detractors can convincingly make, is that the Ambassador and most, if not all of Kenya's citizen's, including Obama's Kenyan grandmother, (who claims to have witnessed his birth), are mistaken about this.

"WND reports:

'At least two of his relatives in Kenya claim to have been present at his birth in Mombasa, Kenya. In addition, the Obama machine has scoffed at requests to see the form of the Hawaiian birth certificate that includes the specific hospital in which the delivery took place. The form released by the campaign does not include that information, leading to suspicions Obama might have been one of the foreign-born babies of the 1960s who were, nonetheless, provided birth certificates by the state of Hawaii.'

"And:

"'Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence,' the document said. 'The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him.'"

Americans regularly receive tax and medical information about their President.

It is NOT too much to expect a presidential candidate to provide his or her birth certificate.

It IS cause for concern that the President-Elect is hiding his birth certificate and the logical questions presenting themselves are, Why is the President-Elect hiding his birth certificate?, and Is the President-Elect blackmail-able over his birth certificate?

© Michael Gaynor

[TonyStark]

Ah excuse me, the politically correct term is “African-American mail”, not “black mail”.

[Baynative]

"Is the President-Elect blackmail-able over his birth certificate?"

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Mr. Obama has the Jesse Jackson get out of jail free racism card. There is no impropriety or transgression that can be brought up against him that won't be met with instant cries of "RACIST!"

[SteamShovel]

Is the President-Elect blackmail-able over his birth certificate?

Sure

But BJ was blackmail-able over his BJs but that didn't matter to most either.

[i_dont_chat]

Blackmail and coercion.

Yes, our country’s leader could be manipulated.

[cowboyway]

Did John F'n Kerry ever release his military records?

IMPEACH OBAMA!!

[gunnyg]

saved

[NYFriend]

Guys, his mother was a US Citizen. He's was born a US Citizen. He'd be a US citizen if he was born on the moon.

You just need to give this up. He's President for at least four years.

If there is an arcane question as to whether he's a citizen based on complex interpretations of immigration laws, or whatever, then allow a court to overturn the will of the people on such a technicality would be undemocratic.

[IbJensen]

He's probably blackmailable over his use of cocaine and homosexual experiences. Not to mention his traitorous past.

I'm certain there's more dirt on this dude who's about to be crowned president.

[Guenevere]

bttt

[pepsionice]

I think when Putin sends him a birthday card around the end of April or early May....Obama will start to sweat. If Putin knows the real birthday of the Obama legend...then the bogus story doesn’t work anymore, and he can’t really be sure of what all Putin knows.

For those who haven’t figured out the birthday deal...assume that Stanley Ann was pregnant in late July/early August...rather than after arriving in Hawaii...and then you realize this Kenyan father-story...doesn’t work and was totally bogus from the day he wrote that book (well...the truth is that he didn’t even write the book either). Obama’s real birthday in this case...isn’t August 1961...its four months prior. Putin will sit there and often hint that he knows the whole story. I doubt he wants to do anything but make Obama sweat and fear meeting him in another event.

[TNLawyer]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Hildabeast will blackmail him. Perhaps she will be his VP in 2012 after Biden steps down for health reasons.

[P8riot]

I don’t like the guy either, but based on personal experience you are correct. My wife’s parents are both US citizens, but have been missionaries in Mexico for the last 49 yrs. My wife was born in Mexico City, but is still recognized by the US government as a natural born US citizen.

[John W]

Well, how is that will of the people looking after three weeks of watching this incompetent boob in action as President-elect? He will get some of those people killed. If it takes enforcing some “arcane”, but, constitutional requirement to save us from ourselves, count me in.

[gunnyg]

Funny you should mention Putin....

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-first-time-i-heard-of-barack-by-tom-fife/#more-4557

[BenLurkin]

Yes.

What else would explain his cabinet picks?

[mcshot]

There were residency requirements at the time that his mother did not meet. The issue is preserving the integrity of our Constitutional is at stake. Otherwise the precedent will leave the presidency open to foreigners with evil money.

[deport]

He’d be a US citizen if he was born on the moon.

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That maybe. But the question is does he meet the qualification of ‘natural born’ as set out in the US Constitution? Has that term ‘natural born’ ever been defined by a court of law or written into legislation?

You maybe correct that he’ll be the next President sworn in but I still think there are items that will be or should be decided at some point along the way. jmo.

[Into the Vortex]

“My wife’s parents are both US citizens,”

Obama’s were not.

That is the crux of the biscuit

[quantim]

"Here's my American birth certificate, my Kenyan one is missing...

[CaraM]

“Guys, his mother was a US Citizen. He’s was born a US Citizen. He’d be a US citizen if he was born on the moon.”
NYFriend: Please do your homework before you type that.

And to the rest of Freepers, forgive me if you’ve seen these links posted before...please take a look!!!

MUST SEE:

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
High Quality Digital images to show proof that Obama’s Birth Certificate (as posted on Factcheck.Org) is definitely a FORGERY
Researched by Dr. Ron Polarik, PhD

If you have not already done so, PLEASE sign these two online-petitions:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550

AND:

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/

PLEASE pass them on!!

It is not too late to write your Senators, Representatives, and the Supreme Court Justices. This is too important to be silent or uninvolved.

[sobieski]

If your parent (one) is a US citizen, it is true that you are a citizen no matter where you are born. Likewise, if your parents are foreigners but you are born in the USA, you are a citizen.

Isn’t that correct? If so the arguement must be that Ms Dunham is not his mother, not where he was born.

[bvw]

That’s not quite correct for citizenship. And it is incorrect for “natural born” as that term is meant in the Constitutional requirement for Presidency. The issue has been discussed many times on Free Republic.

[Neidermeyer]

Is the President-Elect blackmail-able over his birth certificate?
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He is not the president-elect until after the electors vote.. right now he’s a ZERO... (with a big mouth)

[mkjessup]

The Constitution states that the President must be a natural born U.S. citizen, that means born on U.S. soil. No spinning, no creative interpretations, it means what it means. Lower courts may have ruled in the past what defines ‘natural born’ but the Supreme Court of the United States has NOT made such a ruling to the best of my knowledge.

The Founding Fathers did not say that it means “if you are born overseas to American parents”, and they did not say “if you were born in Kenya, slipped back into Hawaii, then put into Muslim schools in Indonesia, then assumed several variations/aliases for your legal name.”

Try using logic: If 0bama has nothing to hide, why not authorize the release of the original ‘vault’ copy of his birth certificate, currently under seal by the Governor of Hawaii?

The fact is, this article is 100 percent correct: NO other presidential candidate in the history of our Nation has attempted to hide and obscure the details of their birth, nor have they gone to such lengths to fight all attempts to learn those details, which are in the public interest.

“Lies have to be covered up, Truth can run around naked.”
- the late Johnny Cash in ‘The Farmer’s Almanac - 1991’

[wndawmn666]

Obama, by definition, is NOT a Natural Born citizen of the United States. He may possibly be a US citizen but he will NEVER be considered a Natural Born citizen.

It doesn’t matter if he was born in a manger on the steps of the White House with a million witnesses, it still wouldn’t make him a Natural Born citizen.

Please read the following:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of the Constitution itself, a natural born citizen”.

This is what disqualifies Obama from being naturally born. His father owed allegiance to a foreign sovereignty at the time of Obama Jr.’s birth (regardless of WHERE the birth took place). Had his father gone through the naturalization process and denounced his British allegiance, this would be a non-issue.

Here is a little history on the matter. We could replace Richard’s Greisser’s name with Barack Obama’s and we could replace Germany with Britain:

“Secretary of State Bayard ruled under Section 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes in 1885 that although Richard Greisser was born in the United States, his father at the time of his birth was a subject of Germany, and thus, Richard Greisser could not be a citizen of the United States. Furthermore, it was held his father was not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States under the Fourteenth Amendment.”

According to the above, Richard couldn’t even be a CITIZEN (let alone a Naturally Born citizen) of the United States because his father was a German subject. In order for Richard to have become a US citizen he would have had to go through the naturalization process.

This is all about Obama’s father and his allegiance to a foreign sovereignty. One US citizen parent cannot create a Natural Born citizen.

[Old Sarge]

You used too many words. The Sheep will never read it.

[wndawmn666]

If anyone would like a more detailed explanation about what defines a Natural Born citizen, please visit the following site:

http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html

It breaks it down in pretty simple terms. Pay particular attention to the last two paragraphs which state:

“What better way to protect the office of the Executive from foreign influence then to require the President to have inherited his American citizenship through his American father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and removed by their father to be raised under foreign influences in another country. The risks would be for the child the return in later life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues.

Therefore, we can say with confidence that a natural-born citizen of the United States means those persons born whose father the United States already has an established jurisdiction over, i.e., born to father’s who are themselves citizens of the United States. A person who had been born under a double allegiance cannot be said to be a natural-born citizen of the United States because such status is not recognized (only in fiction of law). A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.”

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Ask Hillary! She’s behind this. ;)

[yawningotter]

He is hiding much more than his birth certificate, so he can be blackmailed on any number of issues by people with an interest in weakening the president and the United States in general. The Russians, the Chinese, various terror groups, the mafia, drug cartels and even the Mossad could have stuff on 0bama that they could use at a convenient time to push him to cave in to their demands.

[Baynative]

You forget that for liberal democrats our laws are merely suggestions.

[Starboard]

You just need to give this up.

No, Obama is The One who should have given up his birth certificate and then this whole matter and "technicalities" would be unnecessary. Seeking the highest office in the land and the most powerful position in the world is asking people to place complete trust in you. Withholding any information raises questions about that trust. What is there to hide?

[TheCipher]

Guys, his mother was a US Citizen. He's was born a US Citizen. He'd be a US citizen if he was born on the moon.

If there is an arcane question as to whether he's a citizen based on complex interpretations of immigration laws,

There is no complex interpretation The law is quite explicit:

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

She did not live in the US for 5 years after the age of 14 before he was born. If he was born overseas, not only would he not have "natural born" citizenship, he would not have US citizenship.

[Eye of Unk]

Sometimes these threads is just a daily Whack-a-mole.

[nufsed]

So now we have a new title? President-Because-he’s-the Guy-With-The Most votes-so-Far-who doesn’t-have-a-Birth-certificate

[Oldexpat]

I wonder if anybody has tried to track down the Dr. and nurses who worked at those hospitals in Hawaii. They would remember a black birth to a white mother in those years.
Now, if he were a conservative they would have those people on GMA.
I am sceptical that he isn’t legit, but I am suspicious because it should be such a non-issue to produce the origina.

[nufsed]

Some honest reporter will break this story after they can do what you said. And Pelosi and Reid will yawn it off. No impeachment by a democrat congress.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Guys, his mother was a US Citizen. He's was born a US Citizen. He'd be a US citizen if he was born on the moon

Uh, huh...that's why he's spent a million bucks to keep it nice and tucked away.

Yup, makes sense to me.

[wndawmn666]

Sorry NYFriend but you are incorrect.

A US citizen is NOT a Natural Born citizen. There is a lawful difference and it’s not a ‘technicality’.

This is all about his father not being a US citizen. Birth location is irrelevant. His mother could have been 35 and passed her US citizenship onto him at birth but that still wouldn’t make him a Natural Born citizen because his father wasn’t a citizen of the US.

It’s really quite simple...

[wndawmn666]

Obama’s situation is much different from your wife’s situation. You stated BOTH her parents were US citizens.

That is the key. Both of Obama’s parents were NOT US citizens.

Again, regardless of WHERE he was born, he will NEVER be considered a Natural Born citizen because BOTH of his parents were NOT US citizens. If Obama’s father was a naturalized US citizen, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

If both of Obama’s parents were US citizens at the time of his birth, he could be considered a Natural Born citizen. Since we know that is not the case, he is, at best, a US citizen.

[Orange1998]

I wonder why no one asked to see passport.

[MurrietaMadman]

Tools don’t have to be blackmailed. They just need to be told.

I find it puzzling that after the last 40 years people still cling to the fantasy that presidents are leaders.

They are administrators making sure our transformation proceeds according to plan. It’s not like they hide that fact.

[SERKIT]

Beau Biden’s arrest, extradition, and incarceration of an alleged witness to some funky stuff in 1999 is making Barry more and more blackmail-proof.

[Uncle Chip]

If there is an arcane question as to whether he's a citizen based on complex interpretations of immigration laws, or whatever, then allow a court to overturn the will of the people on such a technicality would be undemocratic.

Have you read your Constitution lately???? Is what is in there a mere "arcane technicality"???? Are we a nation with an enduring Constitution or have we evolved into a nation that is willing to throw it away and adopt mob rule??? Think it through --- carefully.

[tomnbeverly]

Honestly I don’t think the issue is the natural born issue at all..

I think something else on his BC is embarassing...i.e., Obama is not his father and his real father is?

Obama race is listed as caucasion.
Obama religion is listed as Muslim.

Those are my guesses but why all the drama he is already elected.... Bring forth the BC no need to hide it ...

[Mogollon]

Isn’t that correct? If so the arguement must be that Ms Dunham is not his mother, not where he was born.

The crux of the problem is that 0bama may not be a "natural-born" citizen. We know he is a U.S. citizen but the constitution requires that the POTUS be a natural-born citizen.

It would be so easy if 0bama would just show us his valid Birth Certificate but he refuses to do so. Also, his website had a fake birth certificate on it for months. 0bama is clearly hiding something and we have a right to know what it is.

[wndawmn666]

With all due respect, this is NOT about the birth certificate.

Obama’s father was not a US citizen so, regardless of WHERE Obama was born, he is NOT a Natural Born citizen of the United States. He may be a US citizen but so is Arnold Schwarzenegger and he isn’t qualified to serve as President.

Both of his parents would need to be US citizens (either through the naturalization process or by being Natural Born citizens themselves) in order for him to be considered a Natural Born citizen.

[ridesthemiles]

NObama also has NOT released his medical records....

[ridesthemiles]

A “citizen” yes-—
But Constitutionally eligible to be President?

I don’t think so.

There are a number of other threads on this topic.

If you read them elsewhere, you might find out the difference between being a citizen and being eligible.

Arnold S is a citizen— he cannot be President.

I have a friend here in the USA from Sweden. He is a citizen now. He cannot be President.

[ridesthemiles]

If there is an arcane question as to whether he’s a citizen based on complex interpretations of immigration laws, or whatever, then allow a court to overturn the will of the people on such a technicality would be undemocratic.””

I disagree with your “will of the people” comment.

The “people” were given a candidate who was very likely not eligible in the first place.
Therefore- the people were duped.

If the information had been out there in the media and the people had still been allowed to “vote” for NObama, I think the “will of the people” would have had a different outcome.

This is a hoax, IMO. No different than some of the internet scams from Nigeria.