Why Tulsa Today went dark (Obama Birth Cert Story Overloads Servers)

http://www.tulsatoday.com ^ | Thursday, 27 November 2008 | By David Arnett

[ckilmer]

A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador said yes.

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. Further, here is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya


The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that.

In any case the supreme court--at Justice Thomas instigation-- is taking up the issue Dec 5

[Vigilanteman]

The Rodney King riots were Sunday School mischief compared to what the puppeteers of Oba Mao have in mind.

[MIAMI-ARMANDO]

The birth certificate is not necessary. Look into Leo Donofrio's SCOTUS case. The fact that Obama's father is not a born-american citizen is enough to disqualify him. A natural-born citizen is defined as someone who is born in this country from both parents who were both born in this country. The birth certificate is unnecessary to prove this, it would be necessary to disprove it, if Barrack Hussein Obama Sr. is in fact not Obama's father.

[Right Wing Assault]

Maybe his father is actually listed as “Turkey Baster.”

That would make him Turkish? And a Basterd?

[Right Wing Assault]

We can’t prove it, and if you can’t prove it, it’s not worth spending any time on.

We can't prove it? Why not? We get the right court order, and it's proven. Rush, you give up too easily.

[Right Wing Assault]

they will label him an Uncle Tom

They did that long ago. And, I don't think he cares.

[Maelstorm]

Regardless there is a reason for him stonewalling and not clearing this up once and for all. If he is legit then hand over the paper work. What may be the case is something much more complicated. Obama still hasn’t handed over his records from school. We probably know less about him than any other President and that should be considered a problem.

It simply does not make sense that he is letting this drag out. I think the commentators out there owe it to America to clear this up. The idea that they are refusing to talk about this is a disservice to the nation and to Obama even. This is going to dog him his whole Presidency if he doesn’t wise up.

[Quickgun]

That’s right. Let the riots begin. I have reason to believe that there are enough people willing to put a stop to that. I would prefer riots now rather than all out civil war later.

[Girlene]

Here is an example. The story states the following:

“he (Obama) has failed to meet one of the three requirements that the U.S. Constitution mandates, specifically that he provide proof of his “natural born” U.S. citizenship.”

In fact, the Constituiton does not require that anyone provide PROOF the he/she meets the citizenship requirement. It requires that they meet the requirement. How that is to be proved is not defined. That is part of the problem.

Good points. During his political career, Obama has shown his ability to use rules, or ambiguity in rules, to his advantage. Most people assumed the eligibility requirements would have already been vetted. In fact, it doesn't seem there's any requirement to PROVE eligibility. Who/what body will make him PROVE he's eligible?

[ponygirl]

Maybe his father is actually listed as “Turkey Baster.”

That would make him Turkish? And a Basterd?

LOL. He's a bastard for certain... a badge of honor among the crowd he runs with.

[glorgau]

Millions could die in foreign lands as the USA creates a power vacuum.

Not just in foreign lands. This is a SERIOUS constitutional issue.

[ari-freedom]

“We can’t prove it? Why not? We get the right court order, and it’s proven. “

well it certainly didn’t happen BEFORE the election. The facts are already on the ground and Obama is already acting like he’s now acting president.

[April Lexington]

Superb point! If he’s not valid, why would the world honor agreements with him/us?

[gigster]

No, I’m not saying that the Constitution is less important than electing our new King of Kenya.
Our Constitution is preeminent and is the law of our land.
My concern is the rational Justices may look ahead and see
what the possible consequences would be in upholding their Constitutional duty. It would be a scary thing to know that
what you’re about to do (rightly) could plunge our country into a civil war, destroying the very fabric of our republic.
That said, it is incumbant upon them to rule precisely
to nullify the Electoral Vote until the status of The Obamessiah is established.
Again, they must uphold that to which they are sworn to uphold.

[gigster]

I agree that civil unrest is a silly reason not to uphold the laws of our land. Apparently, my term “the Constitution be damned” is a bit strong for this example.
The sad fact is that the SCOTUS has gone directly contrary
to our Constitution very recently (Kelo vs. City of New London).
So, if I am somewhat skeptical of the outcomes
of our courts, it is not without cause.

[gigster]

Apparently, my descriptive stirred up the nest.
My point is that yes, we are all screwed if they don’t uphold the Constitution, but it has happened before, and my confidence in our courts is not at this moment at a very high point.
This could be the defining moment as to whether we are “a country of laws and not of men”.

[dianed]

You said (rather pompously), “Gee, another newbie to FR telling us all to give up on Obama.”(Which I never said)

I guess you have read NONE of my other posts. Get on any link about this issue and see what I have written.
You are sorely mistaken. My comment was in regards to the fact that the “Arab” thing has no legal merit to challenge Obama for ANYTHING. It wouldn’t matter if we found out that he was a girl AFTER he got elected.

Being ELIGIBLE has NOTHING to do with your RACE.

Get your facts straight before you start being rude about people who post being “newbies” .

If you take my advice and look up those other links you may find I am far more knowledgeable about this issue than you.

I am offended that you called him my “Messiah” and I believe, after you’ve read what I’ve written, you will owe me an apology.

[Sola Veritas]

“The Rodney King riots would look like a church social compared to what would happen here.
Think of what would happen if Clarence Thomas and the other
rational judges nullified the Electoral College vote.”

IF the SCOTUS was to examine the original documents and determine that PE Obama was not qualified to be POTUS based upon the constitution. In my opinion, anyone that riots is a “domestic enemy” which I have taken an oath to defend the constitution against. I would not enjoy doing so, but I would have no problem with using deadly force against them, IF directed by national command authority. If placed in a leadership role over troops directed to put down a lawless insurrection, I would and could be utterly ruthless in carrying out my orders to end riots. I’m certain many others with military status would agree with me.

I don’t honestly think that any “real” American would riot when the candidate was shown to be ineligible - regardless of color or creed. Therefore, those rioting would not be American citizens in my thinking.