Chasm dividing Americans over birth certificate widens

WND ^ | November 28, 2008

[ckilmer]

The chasm between those who want President-elect Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate to verify his eligibility to hold the nation's highest office and those who simply support the Democrat is widening.

"The Constitution means what we today decide it means," opined one participant on a new WND forum that offers readers an opportunity to express their opinion on the birth certificate dispute.

[Windflier]

Windflier, you should know me better than that on these BC threads. You know I feel as you do. I will not just lay down and take it. But you have to admit that basically until the shmeckles on TV say anything, it doesn’t exist, as far as most Americans are concerned.

Man, I think I need to take a chill pill. First I got snarky with Rain Drop, now I called you out by mistake. Sheeesh... sorry about that.

I've just gotten so wrankled by some of the negative and defeatist posts on these threads that I kinda went on the warpath tonight. FightinJag yanked my collar upthread, too.

Scout's honor ~ I'll leave it be for the rest of the night. What's left of it anyway.

Me? A vampire? Is there flying involved? Cooooool. Not into blood though — it’s not kosher.

You made me smile ;-)

[Sharrukin]

I’m not a lawyer but it seems to me that since many Americans entrusted Obama with their vote, that those who did vote would be the injured party if Obama is not natural born. Also, simply being on the ballot and not being a valid choice disenfranchises even voters who did not vote for him as he supplanted another cadidate who would be qualified based on birth status.

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You would think so, but unfortunately that is why the courts have thrown out most of the cases. They ‘have no standing’ as an injured party and the case is dismissed. It sounds crazy, but there it is.

Alan Keyes ran for President so he may have standing.

Donofrio’s case has standing but as I recall has been blocked by court bureaucrats standing in his way.

[blackbart.223]

You havn’t answered my question.

[LibLieSlayer]

Your opinion is how I see things also. 2000 proved that the Court... when pushed to the limit... will decide matters highly political. We have a better Court today than we did then. I am praying overtime.

LLS

[John Leland 1789]

We know you meant 2 Million in the armed forces.

Well, I agree. The Federal government needs to remain afraid of a gun-owning population, and for right, Constitutional reasons.

[Windflier]

AFAIC, saying things completely suck isn’t necessarily a bad thing (not that bart is saying things completely suck)

On the bright side, no better time to reorders priorities than now. God’s moved to the top of my list.

I'm hearing you, Gene. It hasn't been my intent to make people wrong for their feelings, but to shake them by their lapels and remind them that we're a long way from defeated.

I think I may have just shaken folks a bit too hard tonight. Apologies to all.

[Sharrukin]

I agree, which is why Obama if he intends what we suspect, will target the military with extensive budget cuts, diversity programs with Obama Youth being the ‘diversity’, cutbacks, and starve it for spare parts. Carter did this and the readiness status dropped drastically.

A poll taken of military personnel stated that 53% of them intended to leave rather than continue serving for the next four years.

[Windflier]

They have a legal team working on allowing ‘Arnold’ in California to run, despite his not being ‘natural born’. This legal team just happens to be Obama’s old law firm. I think they will try an end run if the truth comes out, by legislating it away.

Yeah, I've seen that thread. After reading the article, I came away wondering if they'd ever read the Constitution. They seem to think that they can simply get a judge to overrule the Constitutional "natural born citizen" requirement. Geeeez....

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

LEO’s ‘bout 1,5000,000,,, = 1,500,000,,,Duh!...

[blackbart.223]

"I think I may have just shaken folks a bit too hard tonight. Apologies to all."

Think before you flap your gums.

[Sharrukin]

They seem to think that they can simply get a judge to overrule the Constitutional “natural born citizen” requirement. Geeeez....

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A lot of judges these days are activist judges so it may go to the SCOTUS. I don’t think they can replace the supremes fast enough on the SCOTUS. Someone mentioned what FDR did, which was to appoint more judges than just 9. Add 4 or 5 more and he can do what he wants. Strangely this is legal, though it would cause an uproar if he did it.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

We know you meant 2 Million in the armed forces.

Well, I agree. The Federal government needs to remain afraid of a gun-owning population, and for right, Constitutional reasons.
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Aw Krap!!!,,,LMAO!,,,Need typin’ help Too,,,;0)

[LibLieSlayer]

I agree... and there will be a number of highly trained and highly motivated Patriots available if the worst happens... and these people know the tactics and know the weaknesses. These are the very people that have won in Iraq.

GOD so loved America that HE gifted our Founders with skills and insight not within men. I know he will grant us what we need if we do not turn out hearts from him.

I fear for our future... and I do not want to fight or watch my Nation descend into zimbabwe... but I will answer the call if the time comes. I am not very young... but I am of sound mind and body and I am well prepared. Perhaps with the right leadership, we will persevere. Whenever I feel despair, I read Washington's writings about a certain icy morning... ill equipped troops... an iced over river and superior British troops awaiting. GOD had his hand in that and he will not forsake those that do not forsake him.

I am no hero or badass... I am nothing... nobody... but I am American and I know what it means to be one.

LLS

[blackbart.223]

"A lot of judges these days are activist judges so it may go to the SCOTUS. I don’t think they can replace the supremes fast enough on the SCOTUS. Someone mentioned what FDR did, which was to appoint more judges than just 9. Add 4 or 5 more and he can do what he wants. Strangely this is legal, though it would cause an uproar if he did it."

FDR stacked The Supreme Court. Obama is now in a position to do the same. I have no doubt he will. By the way this is not defeatist as some have claimed here. It is just the truth.

[Sharrukin]

I agree... and there will be a number of highly trained and highly motivated Patriots available if the worst happens... and these people know the tactics and know the weaknesses. These are the very people that have won in Iraq.

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That will be the ace in the hole. Yeah, I think you would have to be crazy to want something to happen, but the second amendment wasn’t put into the constitution for duck hunters.

[Windflier]

Scaremongering? I take it then that you are scared by reality. You go on about how your morale is going to collapse if things are not as rosy as you imagined. Bart.223 is right, if it ever came to it, you would collapse like a house of cards.

Listen ~ I never said that anyone wasn't facing reality, or that I'm looking for a "rosy" situation. My concern is with people's reaction to these events. When I see someone post over, and over, and over again about how "all is lost", or how "it's over", etc., I begin to wonder if they realize the demoralizing effect that can have on some people reading here.

No, I'm not the FR morale officer, but I want to shake my fellow conservatives out of that funk, if I can. My tone has been a bit harsh tonight. I know that, and have apologized to a few folks for it.

I'll tell you what it is. It's my observation that maybe ten to twenty percent of the posts to these bc threads are morose, or defeatist. That's startling to me, at a place such as this. After a while, it starts to get under your skin, and you want to do something to snap these folks out of whatever they're in.

I know that some who post this way only mean to indicate the seriousness of the situation, or that it's a concrete reality. I've got that. I think that most of us do. But when a person offers nothing constructive to the discussion, and only communicates the hopelessness of our situation, it can do nothing but lower expectations of success in this, or to demoralize others.

And that is a dis-service to the group, I think.

[LibLieSlayer]

We have elections in 2010... if he overplays his hand... we will win power back again. He has two years in which to suppress the Constitution and stack the Court. After that... there will be so many crises on his plate that he will find it difficult to do much more than stay in power. Any weakness shown by him will be tested by our enemies... and we have many across the world.

LLS

[LibLieSlayer]

“the second amendment wasn’t put into the constitution for duck hunters.”

That should be carved into the face of the SCOTUS building.

LLS

[LibLieSlayer]

BTW... I am tired... goodnight FRiend and all FRiends on this thread.

LLS

[Windflier]

This thread got started because people like you are pinning your hopes on the birth certificate issue. If it happens I will be the first to swallow my pride and admit you are right. What will you do if I right?

Right about what? That nothing can be done about it? That it's a hopeless situation, and that we'd all better face four years of The One?

Sorry if that sounds a bit snarky. I'm just trying to pin down what your actual viewpoint on this matter is. So far, all you've offered is defeatist statements, so I don't know what your real position is on the subject.

Bart, I can sense from reading some of your other posts, and from what you've said in some of your comments to me, that you're an honorable person who loves his country.

I also gather that you may have been a patriot a lot longer than some of us on this board. I don't know your history. You may have very well put your life on the line for this country in your life. You sound like the type.

It's not my intent to insult you. I'd just rather hear that you're going to stand up to The Punk, even though you feel that he's holding an advantage over us. That's all I want to hear from anyone who's not convinced that we can overcome this guy through the courts.

Alright?