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Minnesota Recount: Frankenís Sore Loser Strategy
Hotair.com ^ | November 29, 2008 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 11/29/2008 8:50:17 AM PST by rhema

The setback at the Canvassing Board has forced Al Franken to face the fact that he didn’t get enough valid votes to beat Norm Coleman in Minnesota’s Senate Race. With the rejection of his bid to get the panel to add in thousands of rejected absentee ballots, there seems little chance that the remaining 15% of ballots left in the recount will produce the kind of change that 85% has not. What’s a surly, self-absorbed DFL candidate to do?

Sue:

Minnesota’s U.S. Senate showdown is veering down a path toward the courts and possibly the Senate itself after a panel’s ruling on rejected absentee ballots dealt a blow to Democrat Al Franken’s chances.

For the first time, his campaign on Wednesday openly discussed mounting challenges after the hand recount involving Franken and Republican Sen. Norm Coleman concludes. That includes the possibility of drawing the Senate into the fracas.

The state Canvassing Board denied Franken’s request to factor absentee ballots rejected by poll workers into the recount. He sought to overturn the exclusions in cases where ballots were invalidated over signature problems or other voter errors. Coleman’s campaign maintained the board lacked power to revisit those ballots.

Going to court was always inevitable. Gone are the days when the loser of a close election would have the class to accept a tough loss and wish the winner well. The recount is automatic in this case, and a good idea, but the notion that courts should determine winners and losers is antithetical to democracy.

More worrisome is this statement from Harry Reid:

The board’s decision drew a response from the Senate’s top Democrat, Majority Leader Harry Reid, who called it a “cause for great concern.”

“As the process moves forward, Minnesota authorities must ensure that no voter is disenfranchised,” Reid said in a statement. “A citizen’s right to have his or her vote counted is fundamental in our democracy.”

The Senate does have the authority to determine the winner of any Senate election, as does House for its elections, but they rarely use that power. Reid’s comment threatens the efforts of Minnesota to provide a non-partisan, fair, and legitimate election. In fact, it sounds like an extortion attempt to push state officials into a particular decision that would violate the law in order to produce a specific partisan result.

We have laws on the books to ensure that voter fraud and manipulation regarding absentee ballots gets avoided to the extent possible. (We don’t have such laws with voter registration, which is another issue entirely.) Each citizen who casts his votes according to the law has the right to have them counted, and that is fundamental to our democracy, but the citizen has the responsibility to cast them properly according to the law. Citizens who fail to do so lose the ability to have their vote count in that election.

Any action by the Senate to render this election to Franken on that basis would have the effect of undermining the rule of law. That will be completely unacceptable to Minnesotans, as it should be to all states. Expect Minnesotans to take action if Reid pursues that path.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: coleman; electionussenate; franken; mn2008; potemkindemocracy; votefraud
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1 posted on 11/29/2008 8:50:17 AM PST by rhema
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To: MplsSteve

2 posted on 11/29/2008 8:50:50 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

Sounds like they didn’t get the voter intent worked in to the Gore election and they are going to try their damndest in this one.


3 posted on 11/29/2008 8:53:34 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: rhema

The filthy libs cannot handle losing in a legitimate election and even worse, then cannot stand losing A RIGGED ELECTION.


4 posted on 11/29/2008 8:53:34 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: rhema

What action will the people of Minn. take if Reid appoints
Franken? 49.9% of them voted for Franken!


5 posted on 11/29/2008 8:53:43 AM PST by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: rhema
“sounds like an extortion attempt to push state officials into a particular decision that would violate the law in order to produce a specific partisan result.”

This would be a very bad and damaging precedent to/for all who take part in it. I think it will not come to this.

6 posted on 11/29/2008 8:55:06 AM PST by BellStar ( Is Barack Obama A Marxist Mole?)
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To: rhema

I think Reid doing something would be great for the nation.

Then the American people file a lawsuit against Obama becoming President. Cite ACORN operations in states that would normally vote Republican but voted Democrat as evidence of fraud. Use the same “intent” strategy as Franken is using.

The intent was to vote Republican but ACORN fraud disenfranchised voters.

Demand a new election.


7 posted on 11/29/2008 8:55:22 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Control the information, you control the people.")
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To: rhema

It boils down to Chambliss. If he loses, then the democrats will steal MN at any cost including invalidating the election and seating franken in order to get to 60 votes.


8 posted on 11/29/2008 8:55:22 AM PST by staytrue (YES WE CAN, (everyone should get in the practice of saying it, it will soon be manditory))
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To: rhema

It is absolutely vital to the vigor of a democracy that every single vote is counted. So long as it’s a vote for Franken, that is. The other votes don’t really matter.

Sincerely, the mass media.


9 posted on 11/29/2008 8:56:37 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: rhema

Perhaps this is the esteemed Mr. Franken’s greatest joke.


10 posted on 11/29/2008 8:56:55 AM PST by HondaCRF450
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To: rhema

Al Franken-Gore.


11 posted on 11/29/2008 8:57:20 AM PST by Gary Johnson in 2012 (Gary Johnson for President in 2012.)
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To: rhema
Gone are the days when the loser of a close election would have the class to accept a tough loss and wish the winner well.

Republicans accept a tough loss all the time with class and tact. This is sometime (actually almost always) despite real issues with RAT cheating and voter fraud.

12 posted on 11/29/2008 8:58:03 AM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: rhema

The reason the Dems are sore losers, is because they think they have it in the bag, from bribes and shananigans they put in place to ensure a win. Then when they come out the loser, they cannot except it. I don’t believe for one minute that 49% of Minnesotans really voted for him from their heart.


13 posted on 11/29/2008 8:58:14 AM PST by conservative_cyclist (doodan)
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To: Dr. Ursus
What action will the people of Minn. take if Reid appoints Franken? 49.9% of them voted for Franken!
...Its very likely, nothing...."Red Messiah" Obambi, Wills It.
The DemocRATMarxists owns the Senate/House...W/H...soon the USSC.
*sneering* Thanks, (RINO) Juan "Strawberries" McQueeq

14 posted on 11/29/2008 9:02:07 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid, doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you.. :^)
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To: rhema

Like many things emitting from Harry Reid’s mouth, these are empty words. He won’t seat Franken once the election is certified for Coleman and he knows it, he’s just trying to placate his base. I think that it would actually be a good thing if he did it, and even better if he succeeded.

The American public and Republicans, in particular, need some more wake up calls to bring them to grips with what the Democrat Party has become and exactly what sort of people are running it.


15 posted on 11/29/2008 9:02:26 AM PST by centurion316
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To: rhema
Expect Minnesotans to take action if Reid pursues that path.

Why. It was Minnesotans who gave this joker a dead heat finish in the first place. Maybe they can appoint some washed up professional wrestler to take his place.

16 posted on 11/29/2008 9:02:36 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: EagleUSA
Like Robert Shaw says in "The Sting" after getting beat at his own braced card game with Paul Newman...

"What the hell am I supposed to do? Accuse him of cheating better than I did?"


17 posted on 11/29/2008 9:03:30 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: Dr. Ursus
I don't think the Senate can appoint someone but they can refuse to seat him. If Reid refused to seat Coleman I guess it would be up to Minnesota to either send the secondplace finisher Franken, or hold a new election. Either way I would hope the Minnesotans would have the selfrespect not to send up a tainted polluted 'rat.
18 posted on 11/29/2008 9:06:55 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Yes,I think you right.Thanks


19 posted on 11/29/2008 9:09:08 AM PST by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Perfect quote!

LOL


20 posted on 11/29/2008 9:09:25 AM PST by upchuck (Bumper sticker on my pickup: I'm a fierce global warmer.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
"Then the American people file a lawsuit against Obama becoming President. Cite ACORN operations...."

lawsuit against Obama???? That's not possible these days. We can't even get the courts to uphold the constitutional requirement that the President be a "natural born citizen". Obama refuses to show a birth certificate to prove that he is and there is plenty of reason to suspect that such a certificate does not exist.

21 posted on 11/29/2008 9:10:23 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Dr. Ursus

You are wrong! There were several other candidates on the ballot that got quite a few votes.


22 posted on 11/29/2008 9:12:23 AM PST by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Sam Bradford for Heisman! LetsGetThisRight.com RED STATE Oklahoma Republican)
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To: Dr. Ursus

23 posted on 11/29/2008 9:12:32 AM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: rhema

No, the American people do not equate “sore losers” with Democrats; only with, Republicans. That’s whay they vote down nearly every Republican denied victory in a fraudulent election who tries again later.


24 posted on 11/29/2008 9:12:34 AM PST by Theodore R. (The most frightening words in the English language: The American people!)
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To: rhema

How could the U.S. Senate make Franken the winner if he had less votes than Coleman if fraud or some misapplication of election law is not proven?


25 posted on 11/29/2008 9:13:44 AM PST by stimulant
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To: PhiKapMom

Why the Long Face!


26 posted on 11/29/2008 9:14:17 AM PST by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: centurion316

No, Republican voters won’t say a word if Reid demands that Franken be seated. Most are totally as clueless as their Democrat cousins.


27 posted on 11/29/2008 9:14:27 AM PST by Theodore R. (The most frightening words in the English language: The American people!)
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To: rhema

The Democrats believe they have the moral right to power acquired by any means. Controlling both Congress and the White House, this will only get worse. If only we had a press in this country that wouldn’t turn a blind eye to this kind of fraud.


28 posted on 11/29/2008 9:15:57 AM PST by Spok (Poverty destroys monarchies; prosperity destroys republics.)
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To: staytrue

Still, the Demos don’t have to do all that: they have Specter, Collins, Snowe, even others waiting in the wings to bail them out.


29 posted on 11/29/2008 9:16:02 AM PST by Theodore R. (The most frightening words in the English language: The American people!)
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To: rhema

If the election goes to the Senate no one will care enough in the MSM to comment except to point out that the Dems would then be one seat away from a filibuster proof Senate. Stealing an election doesn’t phase them in the least nor give them pause.


30 posted on 11/29/2008 9:17:19 AM PST by saganite (I for one welcome our new Socialist masters /s/)
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To: hinckley buzzard

If this is true, why couldn’t the RATS simply refuse to seat any Republican?


31 posted on 11/29/2008 9:19:51 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (When the righteous rule, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule the people mourn. Proverbs 29;2)
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To: conservative_cyclist

It is the home of Lake Woebegone...if Garrison Keeler said vote Franken, as he almost certainly did, then the PBS crowd simply fell obediently in line.


32 posted on 11/29/2008 9:22:54 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Demand a new election.

..with Candidates that can prove they are natural born citizens...

33 posted on 11/29/2008 9:24:04 AM PST by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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To: rhema

The sad thing is that Franken’s only qualification for holding office is that he has a recognizable name with a (D) after it. What was the subject of his doctoral dissertation again? Where did he get his Master’s in Political Science? When did he get a BA with a major in political theory? It is insane that a failed comedian comes within a few hundred votes of getting any office. It is the most damning indictment of the intellectual capability of at least half of the eligible voters.


34 posted on 11/29/2008 9:24:23 AM PST by TonyStark
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To: rhema

The Mpls Star Tribune posted scans of 599 disputed ballots, and gave people the chance to review them and decide who got that vote. I looked at all 599 of them, and Coleman came out ahead by 24 votes. There are over 5,000 challenged ballots. If this 599 are a representative sample, Coleman’s lead will only increase, and he’ll win a razor think majority. Interestingly enough, most of the ballots being challenged by both candidates are pretty straight forward, and most are pretty frivilous, such as stray pen marks elsewhere on the ballot. There were several ballots where more than 1 candidate was marked, and several others where no one was marked.


35 posted on 11/29/2008 9:25:51 AM PST by euram
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To: Dr. Ursus
Franken? 49.9% of them voted for Franken!

There was also an Independent candidate in the Senate race so it was less. Plus some Acorn fraud probably gave Franken more votes....nevertheless way too many Minnesotans voted for this creature IMHO.

36 posted on 11/29/2008 9:27:14 AM PST by tflabo (:)
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To: rhema
"More worrisome is this statement from Harry Reid:More worrisome is this statement from Harry Reid"

The fact, and a major root cause of many of our problems today, is that people have no more respect for the law than they do for the law makers.

37 posted on 11/29/2008 9:27:30 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Fear of armed insurrection.


38 posted on 11/29/2008 9:27:45 AM PST by Mountain Troll
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To: Theodore R.

Don’t forget, they also have McCain on many issues.


39 posted on 11/29/2008 9:29:29 AM PST by DeweyCA
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To: CRBDeuce
It is the home of Lake Woebegone...

Where all the children are so ugly that they can only succeed on radio?

40 posted on 11/29/2008 9:29:40 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

The Constitution was written to govern civilized people. The second the senate majority figures it can contest every election it doesn’t like, our republic is done for.


41 posted on 11/29/2008 9:30:04 AM PST by zarodinu
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To: rhema

Can we launch a petition demanding that Harry Reid be removed from his leadership position based upon this unconstitution ignorant statement? I could see a petition being delievered with millions of signatures the day the Congress gets back to let them know that the dems being in the majority might be a short one?


42 posted on 11/29/2008 9:31:58 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: rhema
Whenever Al Frankenloser is mentioned, this photo is required content IMHO.
43 posted on 11/29/2008 9:32:39 AM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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To: rhema
Harry Reid and friends make no bones about the fact that they're completely amoral.If Federal law and/or Senate rules give the RATS any opportunity to steal this,they'll do it.And they'll sleep like babies after having done so.
44 posted on 11/29/2008 9:37:33 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bin ein beginner")
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To: hinckley buzzard

“If Reid refused to seat Coleman...”

That Nevada punk won’t even try it. He’s just making noise on behalf of Franken’s lawsuit. Trying to make it seem legit.

Folks that know Minnesota law have said those bad absentee ballots won’t stick in court anyway.

Coleman has hired a superb election lawyer just in case and signaled he will not lay down to the Franken puss.

And I’m confident that the results will now hold. And you know what, it couldn’t happen to a better guy. For Franken to lose like this is sweet poetry.

He’ll go down crying and classless the whole way. It’s exactly who he is and he so deserves it.

www.powerline.com - best local insights on the Senate seat election.


45 posted on 11/29/2008 9:47:33 AM PST by romanesq
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To: rhema

They’ll steal it in the Senate, 58 - 41.


46 posted on 11/29/2008 9:52:00 AM PST by pabianice
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I don’t understand. How can the US Senate involve itself in a State’s election? Seems to me Minn would be the ones to decide this through its court system.


47 posted on 11/29/2008 9:58:56 AM PST by navymom1 (I support Free Speech. Defeat the Fairness Doctrine.)
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To: CRBDeuce

Garrison Keilor now lives in Wisconsin.


48 posted on 11/29/2008 10:01:52 AM PST by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: rhema

We need both this and the one in Georgia. We have more than enough RINO Fifth column Republicans who will join hands with Obama and break our filibusters.


49 posted on 11/29/2008 10:02:05 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (Reagan is back, and this time he's a woman.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

The senate has rarely used the act of refusing to sit elected senators...the last time I can recall that this came up...was right after the civil war. For several years...it was a common tactic to simply refuse to sit the fairly elected senator.

Other than refusing to sit a guy...thats all that Reid can offer to do. I would imagine that a good twenty senators of the current senate would basically go on “strike” and refuse to cooperate with any senate hearings or votes. It would attract unnecessary attention to Reid and he’d likely appear foolish if this was the tactic.

I think in this case....where absentee ballots were loosely thrown to the public...you see what happens. I don’t think anyone other GI’s or hospital-bound folks...ought to have the absentee ballots. Its simply too difficult for most folks to grasp and use.


50 posted on 11/29/2008 10:21:08 AM PST by pepsionice
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