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Dr. Dobson: 'We Won’t Be Silenced'
Citizenlink.com ^ | 11-25-2008 | James C. Dobson, Ph.D.

Posted on 11/29/2008 10:08:31 AM PST by redk

So, Kathleen Parker has determined that getting rid of social conservatives and shelving the values they fight for is the solution to what ails the Republican Party (“Giving Up on God,” Nov. 19). Isn’t that a little like Benedict Arnold handing George Washington a battle plan to win the Revolution?

Whatever she once was, Ms. Parker is certainly not a conservative anymore....

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1 posted on 11/29/2008 10:08:31 AM PST by redk
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To: redk

>>>>Whatever she once was, Ms. Parker is certainly not a conservative anymore....<<<<<<

Dobson does not know what “conservative” means in history or by definition.


2 posted on 11/29/2008 10:14:53 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: redk

if Dobson hadn’t waited till the last minute to endorse McCain we might not be in this horrible Marxist mess we find ourselves in....


3 posted on 11/29/2008 10:16:50 AM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: redk

Dobson bttt


4 posted on 11/29/2008 10:17:16 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: angkor
Dobson does not know what “conservative” means in history or by definition.

Perhaps, then, you can explain to those of us who believe that a conservative believes in America's founding ideals:

VIRTUE

RIGHTS to LIFE, LIBERTY, PROPERTY

This is your opportunity.

5 posted on 11/29/2008 10:23:23 AM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: Vaquero
if Dobson hadn’t waited till the last minute to endorse McCain we might not be in this horrible Marxist mess we find ourselves in....

I am not disagreeing or even trying to be contrary , but did Dr. Dobson's late endorsement cause some to vote for Obama or to sit out this election ? Are you suggesting he should have endorsed a candidate during the primary ? I know many , many people influenced by Dr. Dobson and they all voted GOP .

6 posted on 11/29/2008 10:24:43 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: redk
How about we step back to when the ‘fiscal’ supposed powers that be, made Republican primaries open lotteries for any and all who would like to dilute votes for a candidate that would be easily defeated.

Lord McCain was NOT my choice but I did vote for Sarah, as I had already stated I would NOT vote for the backstabber. Dobson had NO input into who I was voting for and each and every CITIZEN is responsible for their vote or lack thereof.

7 posted on 11/29/2008 10:25:51 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: redk

Dobson - the once and future idiot.


8 posted on 11/29/2008 10:25:55 AM PST by TomServo
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To: TomServo

What what an impressive and well thought out retort!


9 posted on 11/29/2008 10:27:36 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: angkor

That is so patently false!


10 posted on 11/29/2008 10:28:14 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: redk

‘We Won’t Be Silenced’

Neither will JESUS.

LLS


11 posted on 11/29/2008 10:28:33 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (GOD, Country, Family... except when it comes to dims! I am an UMA-unity my a$$)
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To: redk

Very odd line of reasoning.

Expel 25% of the electorate from the party on the (probably accurate) theory that their presence alienates perhaps 10% of the electorate who might otherwise vote for the GOP.

Methinks Kathy is a little math-challenged.


12 posted on 11/29/2008 10:29:00 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: TomServo
Aren't you impressive.extreme sarcasm~

It must be easy to call someone names behind their back!!

13 posted on 11/29/2008 10:29:08 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: redk
The next couple of federal elections will most likely be all about the economy and government debt. If Republicans don't focus on these issues for the most part there won't be a big Republican comeback. I'm in the Bible Belt and I got a ton of Republic robo-calls this election and it seems like every one of them started out with something about abortion and traditional marriage. Honestly, those issues were the last thing on my mind this time around. I was a little put off by it. The stock market is tanking. Banks and other industries are failing. The world is coming down around us and all these people can think about is gays and abortion? It's not that these issues aren't important, but there are other much more pressing issues right now. I'm not going to vote for a candidate that doesn't have his priorities straight.
14 posted on 11/29/2008 10:31:27 AM PST by TKDietz
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To: angkor; unspun; Guenevere

angkor, I dare you to read every word of this Library of Congress online exhibit:

Religion and the Founding of the American Republic
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/


15 posted on 11/29/2008 10:32:08 AM PST by donna (Sarah Palin: A Feminist, not a Conservative.)
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To: redk

I read Parker’s column and was totally disappointed in her. I agree with Dobson. Generally, conservatives didn’t like McPain, but the RNC forced him upon the party conservatives. Other candidates who were far better candidates than McPain dropped out of the race so fast that one could only surmise that a whole lot of arm twisting was going on behind the scenes to get the others to drop their political aspirations. A younger man (albeit an illegal, inexperienced, corrupt) black man yelling “change” pitted against a very older (albeit more experience) moderate man the sheeple will see the race “change” by voting for the man who represents the biggest change. Black man represented the biggest change. The only type of person that could have beat the black muslim that’s pres-elect was a black woman like Condi race who is far more experienced and better educated than jerkoff who won.


16 posted on 11/29/2008 10:33:27 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: redk

1. Peggy Noonan
2. Parker
3. Bill Kristol

Others? Name them and shame them...


17 posted on 11/29/2008 10:37:28 AM PST by gaijin
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To: redk

I like Dobson on child rearing and traditional values but his political skills are poor.


18 posted on 11/29/2008 10:38:27 AM PST by wardaddy (Monarchists for Palin 2012)
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To: redk

We didn’t lose this election due to our social conservative views. We lost because for the past eight years the Republicans in Washington acted like a bunch of Democrats.


19 posted on 11/29/2008 10:38:44 AM PST by USAF70 (I'm a bitter clinger)
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To: gaijin

I thought Kristol like Palin which admittedly surprised me at the time.

In fact he is on record comparing her to some pretty strongt politicians of lore.


20 posted on 11/29/2008 10:40:02 AM PST by wardaddy (Monarchists for Palin 2012)
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To: USAF70

Yup, and then we ran a rino.


21 posted on 11/29/2008 10:40:37 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: redk

You won’t be silenced....., but after backing some ignoramus like Mike Huckabee, you can be sure you will be ignored.

Tyranny is bad, Dr. Dobson. It is just as bad when the “good guys” are in power. Socons have somehow missed this.


22 posted on 11/29/2008 10:42:29 AM PST by slnk_rules (http://mises.org)
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To: TomServo

Dobson does a lot of good for this country. I’d serve the idiot.


23 posted on 11/29/2008 10:45:07 AM PST by cornelis
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To: redk; All
Score: Parker 70%, Dobson 30%

I agree and disagree with both of these people. I think a lot of the conservatives Parker refers to in her article tend to hang out with people like themselves. I know people like this. They don't realize how much the country has changed both demographically and socially.

Since the 1965 Immigration Reform Act (passed when Democrats controlled the House,Senate, and Presidency) the country has been flooded with tens of millions of third world immigrants. These people are now in their second and often third generation. They are natural Democratic supporters. The Republicans simply have not come to grips with this. These people for the most part want big government and liberal social programs. THAT'S A FACT!

Just because you are fleeing tyranny or want a better material life doesn't mean you have a clue about what it takes to be a citizen of a democratic republic. They sure as hell aren't going to get it in the public schools. They don't teach citizenship any longer.

This is a huge problem for the Republicans. Karl Rove and the Bush team think they can court Hispanic voters. RUBBISH! Hispanics don't like homosexual marriage and most don't like abortion but on every other issue are solidly liberal or even leftist. Bush and Co are very stupid about this. Yes the Cubans in South Florida are very anti-communist but take that issue off the table and they WILL vote democratic by at least a 2 to 1 margin. This will probably come about as a result off their offspring voting Democratic. Castro won't live forever and when he goes the situation will only get worse.

Yes Bush and Rove are very stupid about the Hispanic vote. Just because in few election when Republicans were running against a white male Democratic the Republican got about 45% of the Hispanic vote isn't reason to celebrate. If that Republican were running against a "person of color" as the PC like to put it, the Democrat would have got 75% or more of the vote.

The Hispanic vote for Obama or against McCain ought to shut up Rove once and for all but I know it won't. He makes his living giving dumb advice and this won't stop him at all.

I can't stand Parker. I can sense that she hates people of faith. You can tell it in her snide writing. But Dobson is wrong for the most part. Like I said he hangs out with people like himself and doesn't see what has happened around him.

So reluctantly I go with Parker. The Republicans have a big problem on their hands. It's not that the people of religious faith are turning off people in the middle, it's that these new voters are simply in favor of socialism. It's that simple.
24 posted on 11/29/2008 10:46:00 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: slnk_rules

I’ll take the good guys.


25 posted on 11/29/2008 10:46:11 AM PST by cornelis
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To: truthguy
Yes the Cubans in South Florida are very anti-communist but take that issue off the table and they WILL vote democratic by at least a 2 to 1 margin. This will probably come about as a result off their offspring voting Democratic. Castro won't live forever and when he goes the situation will only get worse.

You are VERY wrong here for a variety of reasons:

1. Most Cuban Americans do NOT consider themselves people of color. According to most surveys, 85% are white. Hell, anyone who lives in South Florida can tell you that fact.

2. Most Cuban Americans are middle to upper class.

3. Cuban Americans have a high rate of intermarriage with other white Americans.

4. Cuban Americans are now a minority of Florida Hispanics, thanks to the large influx of Puerto Ricans and Central Americans.

26 posted on 11/29/2008 10:50:40 AM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: cornelis
I’ll take the good guys.

Until society elects the bad guys. Then you will scream bloody murder for constitutional protections.... which the socons drove a mack truck through "because you can trust the good guys."

You go ahead and take the "good guys." I will take the rule of law, which provides some protection against not only the bad guys, but against the good guys who go bad when confronted with all that power and wealth.

27 posted on 11/29/2008 10:50:50 AM PST by slnk_rules (http://mises.org)
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To: redk
From the article:

The accuracy of her numbers isn’t the point, anyway — it’s the notion that, because there are people of many faiths in the United States, those of the Christian faith must not think or act like Christians when engaging the public square. That is similar to something then-Sen. Obama said a couple of years ago, arguing in a speech before a gathering of liberal Christians that “democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values.”

“It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason,” he added. “I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God's will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.”

That is, as my theologian friend Al Mohler called it, “secularism with a smile” — offered in the form of an invitation for believers to show up, but then only to be allowed to make arguments that are not based in their deepest beliefs. Kathleen Parker has gone even one step further, though. She’s rescinding the invitation altogether.


28 posted on 11/29/2008 10:51:33 AM PST by cornelis
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To: redk
Parker never called for taking God out of our public life. But she did question to value of the some of the more wing nutted social conservatives in that article.

I did notice that Dr. Dobson had to remind his readers to be polite when writing to Ms. Parker. Now why would good Christians need to be reminded to do that?

29 posted on 11/29/2008 10:51:36 AM PST by joesbucks (Sarah Palin: "I believe John McCain is the best leader that we have in the nation right now,)
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To: slnk_rules

Rule of law was touted by the ancient Greeks, and the framers liked it as well. Sozhenitsyn is one modern figure who recognized the tyranny of law.

There is only one thing that reduces a tyranny: something higher.


30 posted on 11/29/2008 10:52:58 AM PST by cornelis
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To: joesbucks

Nothing wrong with being reminded. The mistake is to think you’ve arrived and no longer need reminding.


31 posted on 11/29/2008 10:54:01 AM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
I’d serve the idiot.

Knock yourself out.

32 posted on 11/29/2008 10:57:18 AM PST by TomServo
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To: Guenevere
It must be easy to call someone names behind their back!!

Yeah - on a public forum...

33 posted on 11/29/2008 10:58:27 AM PST by TomServo
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To: TomServo

What the suitors said to Odysseus.


34 posted on 11/29/2008 10:58:32 AM PST by cornelis
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To: brytlea

Thanks!


35 posted on 11/29/2008 10:58:47 AM PST by TomServo
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To: unspun
This is your opportunity.

He's already used his token to defame rather than defend.

36 posted on 11/29/2008 11:01:04 AM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis

Have at it..


37 posted on 11/29/2008 11:01:05 AM PST by TomServo
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To: joesbucks

Because even good Christians are human beings?


38 posted on 11/29/2008 11:03:21 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: truthguy

You are right. All the elites from every profession in America need to spend a month living, shopping and observing life in the southwest. We don’t live in America anymore. Third world rule by mob, crime and bribery is here.


39 posted on 11/29/2008 11:03:57 AM PST by donna (Sarah Palin: A Feminist, not a Conservative.)
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To: redk
There are a lot of us who think like that we're not ranting from soapboxes on street corners. We're concerned Americans who believe in God and traditional values. They're good for all seasons, not just when we win an election. We won't shut up and keep quiet to make those who hate us happy. Social conservatives have a seat at the table of democracy and will continue to have a voice in the Republican Party.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

40 posted on 11/29/2008 11:04:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Clemenza; All
You are VERY wrong here for a variety of reasons: 1. Most Cuban Americans do NOT consider themselves people of color. According to most surveys, 85% are white. Hell, anyone who lives in South Florida can tell you that fact. 2. Most Cuban Americans are middle to upper class. 3. Cuban Americans have a high rate of intermarriage with other white Americans. 4. Cuban Americans are now a minority of Florida Hispanics, thanks to the large influx of Puerto Ricans and Central Americans.

I agree with your points. But tell me how the Cubans in South Florida voted? Did they vote for McCain or Obama. If I'm not mistaken they voted for Obama by a comfortable margin. Am I wrong? What are the numbers?
41 posted on 11/29/2008 11:04:15 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: TomServo

From the article:

The accuracy of her numbers isn’t the point, anyway — it’s the notion that, because there are people of many faiths in the United States, those of the Christian faith must not think or act like Christians when engaging the public square. That is similar to something then-Sen. Obama said a couple of years ago, arguing in a speech before a gathering of liberal Christians that “democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values.”

“It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason,” he added. “I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.”

That is, as my theologian friend Al Mohler called it, “secularism with a smile” — offered in the form of an invitation for believers to show up, but then only to be allowed to make arguments that are not based in their deepest beliefs. Kathleen Parker has gone even one step further, though. She’s rescinding the invitation altogether.


42 posted on 11/29/2008 11:04:16 AM PST by cornelis
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To: donna

>>>>angkor, I dare you to read every word of this Library of Congress online exhibit:<<<<<

Nice find and very interesting.

What’s it got to do with conservatism?

BTW, my first American ancestor was minister to the Huguenot churches in Boston and New Rochelle, so I’m not oblivious to the religious impulse in early America.


43 posted on 11/29/2008 11:04:25 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: joesbucks
I did notice that Dr. Dobson had to remind his readers to be polite when writing to Ms. Parker. Now why would good Christians need to be reminded to do that?

We are all sinners. It's just that Christians know what to do about it.

44 posted on 11/29/2008 11:05:29 AM PST by donna (Sarah Palin: A Feminist, not a Conservative.)
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To: truthguy
The values that founded this country will never go out of style. My views are not dependent on who wins or who loses elections. As long as there are people believe in what is right and true - our day will come again.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

45 posted on 11/29/2008 11:07:09 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: truthguy
McCain won the Cuban-American precincts in western Miami-Dade County. Obama won the HISPANIC vote in Florida largely due to the huge Puerto Rican vote in once-Republican Orange and Osceola (Disneyworld!) counties, both of which went for Obama, as well as non-Cuban Hispanics throughout the state.
46 posted on 11/29/2008 11:07:26 AM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: unspun
>>>> Perhaps, then, you can explain to those of us who believe that a conservative believes in America's founding ideals: VIRTUE RIGHTS to LIFE, LIBERTY, PROPERTY This is your opportunity.<<<<<<<

Thanks so much.

Those virtues are believed by atheists and the religious alike.

47 posted on 11/29/2008 11:08:43 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: brytlea

My guess is because he knew the type of emails that would be sent. He knows his audience.


48 posted on 11/29/2008 11:08:47 AM PST by joesbucks (Sarah Palin: "I believe John McCain is the best leader that we have in the nation right now,)
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To: Guenevere

>>>>That is so patently false!<<<<<

No, I’m afraid it’s not false.


49 posted on 11/29/2008 11:09:12 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: cornelis
Until you recognize that ALL MEN are by nature tyrants, including the good guys. You will be just as responsible as B Obama and his band of socialist loons for the destruction of our freedoms.

Sigh.

Where is Calvin when you really need him?

The theologically anemic state of American Protestantism, with men like James Dobson at its helm, is a big part of the problem.

50 posted on 11/29/2008 11:10:02 AM PST by slnk_rules (http://mises.org)
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