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Russian analyst predicts decline and breakup of U.S. (RIA Novosti)
RIA Novosti ^

Posted on 11/30/2008 7:24:39 AM PST by Srirangan

MOSCOW, November 24 (RIA Novosti) - A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily Izvestia published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.

When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."

When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."

Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions."

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all."

On the fate of the U.S. dollar, he said: "In 2006 a secret agreement was reached between Canada, Mexico and the U.S. on a common Amero currency as a new monetary unit. This could signal preparations to replace the dollar. The one-hundred dollar bills that have flooded the world could be simply frozen. Under the pretext, let's say, that terrorists are forging them and they need to be checked."

When asked how Russia should react to his vision of the future, Panarin said: "Develop the ruble as a regional currency. Create a fully functioning oil exchange, trading in rubles... We must break the strings tying us to the financial Titanic, which in my view will soon sink."

Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho2008; coldwar2; communism; igorpanarin; russia; russianthreat; sovietunion; usa

1 posted on 11/30/2008 7:24:39 AM PST by Srirangan
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To: Srirangan

Try this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;q=quick;s=Russian%20analyst


2 posted on 11/30/2008 7:26:51 AM PST by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: Srirangan

Those separate parts are called ‘states’. If we return to greater independence of states and less top-down federal control, so much the better.


3 posted on 11/30/2008 7:37:38 AM PST by Tax Government
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To: Srirangan
Roger Simon: Congratulations, Igor, You made Drudge.

As a symptom of our dicey times, a hitherto unknown (to us) Russian “Doctor of Political Sciences” named Igor Panarin has made the top of the Drudge Report this morning with the screaming headline: RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA. Does he really? I made the usual ten-second Google search and came up with this short bio of Igor. It was fascinating (though not surprising). It seems our Russian friend is the author of the following books: “Infowar and power”, “Infowar and world” and the ever popular “Infowar and election.” Infowar, eh? You don’t have to be the proverbial rocket scientist to know where that comes from. Well, he certainly earned his keep today and scored a big victory getting his risible comments about an imminent US break up on Drudge. Must be a slow news day.

Tsk, tsk, Matt.
4 posted on 11/30/2008 7:37:38 AM PST by sono (What happens when the Kool Aid wears off?)
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To: Srirangan
the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise

Isn’t it interesting that “Hispanics” (whatever that is) take the south but not Texas, which is full of “hispanics.” It appears that the good Professor Panarin actually has a grasp of the power of fully armed rednecks.

I bet these guys did not loose so much as a single tricycle.

I suppose they could not spell "arrested…"

5 posted on 11/30/2008 7:42:00 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Srirangan

V Pravde ne Isvetiya, e v Isveste, ne Pravdi.


6 posted on 11/30/2008 7:42:11 AM PST by conservativeharleyguy (If dissent is "patriotic", I just became America's loudest Patriot!)
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To: Tax Government

Kind of what I thought when I saw this. It would be good to see the states have more power and the feds a lot less.


7 posted on 11/30/2008 7:50:06 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Srirangan
The professor better start looking at his own country. A declining birthrate spells doom for a country the size of Russia.

Demographers estimate that Russia could lose 40 million people - almost a third of its current population - by the middle of the century.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6990802.stm


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8 posted on 11/30/2008 7:54:30 AM PST by JCG
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To: TLI
I suppose they could not spell "arrested…"

Probably just lost interest, lol.

10 posted on 11/30/2008 8:07:22 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: jospehm20

So the fight is on...where will the capital of the Republic of the South be located? Dallas? Atlanta? Nashville? Orlando? Charleston?

I’d like to suggest a smaller town which fit better....Lexington, Kentucky. Its a neutral fit, and easy distance of the other states.


11 posted on 11/30/2008 8:08:23 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: xcamel
Try this:

That was 5 days ago! Did you ever think that, maybe, a bunch of people didn't see it then? Not everyone here sits around their computer 24/7.

12 posted on 11/30/2008 8:09:48 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: Srirangan
[Article] He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all."

Careful, Igor. Igor bad ghoul. Igor lose paw.

That's Sarah Palin's state you're talking about. You want to get stuffed and mounted?

13 posted on 11/30/2008 8:14:14 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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I agree but I think the Russian analyst was thinking more along the lines of regions perhaps akin to North East / Dixie / mid West / Cascadia - West.


14 posted on 11/30/2008 8:16:32 AM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: Srirangan

I’m afraid this person is correct.

With the hoard of incoming communists, marxists, socialists etc. Our great country is near collapse.

Once they take us to collapse they will take even more of our freedoms.

They have assisted China the last 20 years in growth while limiting our own.

We deserve the government we get. It’s our own faults.

They will drive us in to a deep depression.

All that stands between freedom and slavery is the 2nd admendment.


15 posted on 11/30/2008 8:21:13 AM PST by stockpirate (nothing will preserve (liberty) but ..force. ..you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined PH)
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To: Srirangan

This Rooskie isn’t saying anything I haven’t said in the last few years.

America is toast. Maybe our next (regional) attempts will be more successful.


16 posted on 11/30/2008 8:22:53 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Republic_of_Secession.

The United States of Texas.


17 posted on 11/30/2008 8:23:43 AM PST by CindyDawg (Lord, please bless America)
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To: ETL

The several hundred return posts on all of them would indicate otherwise.


18 posted on 11/30/2008 8:25:56 AM PST by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: TLI
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19 posted on 11/30/2008 8:27:38 AM PST by imfrmdixie
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To: Srirangan

I’m afraid this person is correct.

With the hoard of incoming communists, marxists, socialists etc. Our great country is near collapse.

Once they take us to collapse they will take even more of our freedoms.

They have assisted China the last 20 years in growth while limiting our own.

We deserve the government we get. It’s our own faults.

They will drive us in to a deep depression.

All that stands between freedom and slavery is the 2nd admendment.


20 posted on 11/30/2008 8:31:31 AM PST by stockpirate (nothing will preserve (liberty) but ..force. ..you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined PH)
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To: Srirangan
[Article]

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

It's a little hard to figure out what he is talking about -- there is a certain incoherence here. When he talks about "the South, with its Hispanics", one gets the impression he means the Southwest -- Arizona and New Mexico -- but then he excepts Texas. "The South, with its non-Hispanics" would have made better sense.

The South is and, since the middle of the 19th century and the submergence of the "indigenous" tribes (who also came from somewhere else, remember) always has been, biracial (unless you include Yankee migrants as an anthropologically distinct "race" of metrosexual Starbucks-slurpers, Homo sapiens starbuckensis).

And which "central" "poorer states" have large Indian populations? Which states is he talking about? How are their Indian populations significant demographically in a way that Arizona's and New Mexico's populations of Jicarilla and Mescalero Apaches, Navajos, Zunis and Hopis are not? Is he talking about the Rez residents in the upper Missouri valley? And how do we distinguish these states from the "northern" states that have "strong" influence from Canada? (I didn't know we were getting invaded by Molson's and Labatt's, by the way -- I thought the Canadians were apprehensive about "influence" going the other way.)

His U.S. geography is almost incoherent. But the idea has been advanced before, as in The Nine Nations of North America, which came out in the late 70's, about the time Andrei Amalrik was predicting, to my astonishment, the imminent breakup of the Soviet empire.

21 posted on 11/30/2008 8:38:17 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: TLI
I suppose they could not spell "arrested…"

They didn't do too well with "neighborhood" either.

22 posted on 11/30/2008 8:38:57 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: pepsionice

“Republic of the South”

That has a good ring to it. I’ll be moving down that way, hopefully soon.


23 posted on 11/30/2008 8:43:11 AM PST by CapnJack
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To: lentulusgracchus
"...Careful, Igor. Igor bad ghoul. Igor lose paw.

That's Sarah Palin's state you're talking about. You want to get stuffed and mounted?..."

Hehe, that was a great post...I loved the "Igor lose paw"...:)


(Palin speaking to the President of Coumbia)

24 posted on 11/30/2008 8:46:50 AM PST by rlmorel ("A barrel of monkeys is not fun. In fact, a barrel of monkeys can be quite terrifying!")
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To: imfrmdixie
As William F. Buckley would have pointed out, "Dangerous armed Rednecks" is redundant. Two points off for pleonasm, lol.

Noah Webster, author of the dictionary, wrote an account of the mustering-out of Gen. Washington's Continental Army. Contemplation of the motley, polyglot army gave him the idea for his dictionary. Among his comments was the observation that the Pennsylvania troops included German-Americans who not only spoke no English, but were accustomed, at home in their wooded valleys, to open fire at once when they heard English being spoken in the thicket, on the assumption that those thieving Scots-Irish (rednecks) were at it again.

25 posted on 11/30/2008 8:46:52 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Srirangan

What was that show that featured a small town in Kansas that survived after a series of calculated nuclear detonations in several American Cities? Jericho.

Question is, could there be a calculated finanacial demise of large cities rendering them moot and ineffective as influential resistance to a government plan that siezes power through martial law? Consolidation of the banking sector with socialist implications gets control of everyone’s money. Without money, the feds control every aspect of peoples lives. Food, rent, mortgage, cash, transportation. New currency forces exchanges that move cash stashes into the federal spotlight. The result is a federal power grab, a suspension of state rights, and a trashing of the Constitution.

Anyhow back to Jericho. There was the Eastern sector with DC influence, Western Sector, Cheyenne Wy. where the conspirators new government resided, and then Texas Republic stood on its own. I would definitely side with Texas and Free America needs to follow their lead.

What we need is more statehood influence and less fed interference. The Feds are incapable of solving anyones long term problems when they are the root cause.
The fixes being cooked up by the feds are dangerous to freedom and democracy. They will force America to lose our sovergn status and become a subject of a World who would like nothing more than to bring us down. Our politicians seem to be gladly complying with OUR wallets.

They want us to spend and borrow. We should hold our money and borrow absolutely NOTHING. The Feds are the ones who messed things up. Don’t give them what they want. Without our tax money they have no power or credibility.


26 posted on 11/30/2008 8:47:28 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: lentulusgracchus
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27 posted on 11/30/2008 8:50:16 AM PST by imfrmdixie
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To: Srirangan

Apparently he didn’t read this week’s Economist. He should be more worried about the future existence of his thugocracy.


28 posted on 11/30/2008 8:56:17 AM PST by Humvee (Beliefs are more powerful than facts - Paulus Atreides)
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To: Srirangan

I was just wondering. Did Igor predict the fall of the Soviet Union??? Huh??


29 posted on 11/30/2008 9:14:11 AM PST by ditto h
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To: Tax Government
If we return to greater independence of states and less top-down federal control, so much the better

I agree that less "top down control" is desireable. But....

Separate states without a Federal Union means we are easy pickins to foreign aggressors like Russia.

We need to preserve the Union for strategic reasons.

30 posted on 11/30/2008 9:15:05 AM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: SteamShovel

The nub of the matter is whether the Union is worth preserving. Stategically, yes, the Union is necessary but not at the current cost.


31 posted on 11/30/2008 9:52:26 AM PST by joeu01
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To: Srirangan

Our Russian comrade may have tapped into the breakaway movement in NC’s 11th congressional district.

There is strong sentiment there for splitting away from the current state of Perduistan and re-establishing the long vanished STATE of FRANKLIN.

That region of NC has no congressman, no representation in state government, even the Pelosi lapdog Dense Schuler is from the Volunteer State to their west.

Tight Lines Right Turns
Caddis


32 posted on 11/30/2008 11:00:33 AM PST by palmerizedCaddis (There is a place left on earth where some folks can still walk on water!!!!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I guess a state with “strong Canadian influence” is any one that has more Tim Horton’s than Starbucks, eh?


33 posted on 11/30/2008 1:14:56 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: hinckley buzzard

They’re just following the old rule, “I before E, except after C.” There’s no C in “neighborhood.”


34 posted on 11/30/2008 1:16:58 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: pepsionice

Montgomery, Alabama, was the first capital of the Confederacy. They moved the capital to Richmond and lost. Maybe they wouldn’t have if the capital had stayed in Montgomery.


35 posted on 11/30/2008 1:19:49 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with Horton's .....

But as an alternative index of Canadian cultural penetration, I'd accept a ratio >1.0 of Molson's + Labatt's stacked in the grocery's mass display, to the sum of Bud + Miller Lite.

How 'bout that? ;)

Here in Texas, it's [Corona + Tecate]/ [Miller Lite + Shiner].

36 posted on 11/30/2008 5:57:35 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: rlmorel
Nice pic of Sarah. Doesn't post up well on my banged-up configuration file setup, but one does get the requisite impression ..... of a pit bull wearing fresh lipstick.
37 posted on 11/30/2008 6:12:34 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Tim Horton’s is a widespread coffee-and-donuts chain in Canada that was acquiring some outlets in the US a few years ago. I think it’s geared to the average person, in contrast to Starbucks which seems geared to people who think they’re better than the average person...like the typical Obamaniac.


38 posted on 11/30/2008 6:21:32 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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Though Texas was once an independent republic.


39 posted on 12/01/2008 12:18:01 AM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: o_zarkman44

I believe Secessions won’t start for another 2 to 7 years. It really depends on upcoming elections and whether ACORN is still stuffing the ballot box. People will have finally had enough and most states will secede. Only the West Coast with the exception of Alaska, most of the Great Lakes states, and the East Coast from Maryland north will remain a part of the Old Union. The Freeloaders will immigrate to the Old Union while businesses will move to the New Union. The Old Union will eventually collapse.


40 posted on 11/29/2009 11:48:15 AM PST by DHSMostWanted (Vote Ben Nelson out of office in 2012)
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