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Rod Dreher: Ron Paul, if only we listened
The Dallas Morning News ^ | 2008-11-25 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 11/30/2008 11:16:35 AM PST by rabscuttle385

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The same GOP establishment that mocked and reviled Dr. Paul now lies shattered. Who believes in this Republican Party anymore? The party destroyed itself with its own unprincipled recklessness, both in foreign and fiscal policy. And it has ruined its reputation among the young – the most ardent of Dr. Paul's supporters, incidentally – who are far more likely to identify with the Democrats.

Out of this destruction, some creative young conservatives may rise up and decide to take back the Republican Party. Perhaps they'll run against the overweening power of the federal government and in favor of decentralizing power (but unlike today's Republicans, they'll actually mean it). Maybe they'll fight for an America that lives responsibly, within its natural limits both overseas and at home. And maybe, just maybe, they might make the Republican Party worth following again.

BUMP!

1 posted on 11/30/2008 11:16:36 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: bamahead; murphE; Extremely Extreme Extremist

Ron Paul ping.


2 posted on 11/30/2008 11:17:02 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Gondring

ping


3 posted on 11/30/2008 11:19:08 AM PST by djsherin (The federal government:: Because someone has to f*** things up!)
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To: rabscuttle385

The problem with Ron Paul was his foreign policy.


4 posted on 11/30/2008 11:19:25 AM PST by Perdogg (01-20-2013 Obama's last day - If we make it)
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To: rabscuttle385

Right. 30 years of saying No! does not a great leader make.


5 posted on 11/30/2008 11:21:27 AM PST by papasmurf (Impeach the illegal bastard!)
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To: rabscuttle385

The 2008 “election” fix was “in” 24 months ago. Ask anyone working in the MSM. They’ll tell you. It was Barack Hussein Obama all the way. Everything else was for entertainment purposes only.


6 posted on 11/30/2008 11:22:28 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (For more information on America's "new direction" read The Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Friends of Truthers are enemies of the US.

7 posted on 11/30/2008 11:24:14 AM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: rabscuttle385
Ron Paul doesn't seem quite so loony anymore..
8 posted on 11/30/2008 11:24:18 AM PST by divine_moment_of_facts ("Some of us are wise and some of us are otherwise.")
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To: rabscuttle385

***Dr. Paul has long argued that an economy built on easy credit, insatiable consumption and deficit spending is a time bomb. He backs a national economic model based on savings, investment and production.

An economy that depends so heavily on government intervention to keep it afloat is one that creates of necessity an ever more powerful state.***

True words all.


9 posted on 11/30/2008 11:25:51 AM PST by djsherin (The federal government:: Because someone has to f*** things up!)
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To: rabscuttle385
(I was a Mike Huckabee man)

Rod Dreher was a fairly weak member of the NRO team years ago and he's gone downhill steadily ever since. He's like a male Peggy Noonan. As time goes on one wonders more and more whether they ever really were conservative or interesting.

10 posted on 11/30/2008 11:25:54 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: Perdogg
The problem with Ron Paul was his foreign policy.

I agree. I could not support an anti-war candidate while our troops were in harm's way. That said, I have long admired Dr. Paul and respected the way he stood true to conservative principles.

11 posted on 11/30/2008 11:25:58 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: rabscuttle385
I'm sure there are some nuggets buried somewhere in this that indicate what I should've listened to Ron Paul about, but when I read "terrorist blowback" I tuned out.
12 posted on 11/30/2008 11:26:11 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: rabscuttle385

13 posted on 11/30/2008 11:26:37 AM PST by Gary Johnson in 2012 (Gary Johnson for President in 2012.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Despite his reasonable ideas, Dr. Paul seemed to fare poorly in the primary debates. Even McPain seemed to dominate him in the exchange of ideas even though we knew McPain stood for nothing but pending electoral defeat.


14 posted on 11/30/2008 11:28:07 AM PST by Theodore R. (The most frightening words in the English language: The American people!)
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To: Perdogg
The problem with Ron Paul was his foreign policy.

Exactly.
15 posted on 11/30/2008 11:31:53 AM PST by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: rabscuttle385
Ron Paul, if only we listened

Who's this "we" kemosabe? You "penciled in farmer-poet Wendell Berry." That really helped!

I didn't vote for Ron Paul, either, but at least I'm not lecturing other people about it.

16 posted on 11/30/2008 11:32:02 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: rabscuttle385; All

Well .. I hate to burst your bubble .. but Ron Paul IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE - HE’S A LIBERTARIAN.

They may have a few things they agree on - BUT CONSERVATIVE IS CONSERVATIVE - not partially Libertarian.

Ron Paul was more closely aligned with the Clinton’s foreign policy - visit all the tyrants - get drunk with them - have them sign secret deals with the U.S. (without congressional approval) and then - hear no evil, see no evil, and do nothing when attacked .. because war is never allowed. I’ve heard Ron Paul espouse that exact policy, saying, “War is never the answer”. Reality says - WAR IS SOMETIMES THE ONLY ANSWER - not the choice you want to make, but the choice YOU HAVE TO MAKE - TO SAVE CIVILIZATION.

I can’t fathom a more dangerous OR STUPID foreign policy THAN TO DO NOTHING - IT BOUGHT US 9/11. If we aren’t able as a nation to operate pre-emptively on offense - and wait only to be attacked - and then still do nothing .. there will only be more and more 9/11’s.


17 posted on 11/30/2008 11:39:08 AM PST by CyberAnt (Michael Yon: "The U.S. military is the most respected institution in Iraq.")
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To: Perdogg

Exactly. And although Mike Huckabee is a social conservative, he is a fiscal big-government liberal. Plus, he’s anti-Mormon, which hurts the conservative movement, as a lot of conservative support comes from Mormons, who are social conservatives, but also big on self-reliance, a core American value.


18 posted on 11/30/2008 11:41:05 AM PST by Inkie (Attn Dems: Loose Lips Sink Ships -- but hey, I guess that's your goal))
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To: CyberAnt
Ron Paul was more closely aligned with the Clinton’s foreign policy...

Paul was in favor of bombing Kosovo?

19 posted on 11/30/2008 11:41:26 AM PST by Gary Johnson in 2012 (Gary Johnson for President in 2012.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Ideas, integrity and authenticity. It will be a long time before they are in high demand in America again. Socialism is here and that is the answer to everyones troubles.


20 posted on 11/30/2008 11:45:28 AM PST by B4Ranch ( Veterans: "There is no expiration date on our oath, to protect America from all enemies, ...")
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012; CyberAnt
Ron Paul was more closely aligned with the Clinton’s foreign policy...

Paul was in favor of bombing Kosovo?

Ron Paul declared the Kosovo war illegal. On the other hand, McCain voted to bomb Serbia.

21 posted on 11/30/2008 11:45:41 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Bokababe

Serbia/Kosovo ping!


22 posted on 11/30/2008 11:46:10 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: papasmurf

>Right. 30 years of saying No! does not a great leader make.

Though Congress needs some of that for the “Can I have a bailout?” questions...


23 posted on 11/30/2008 11:46:16 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: papasmurf
Right. 30 years of saying No! does not a great leader make.

Sure it does. The yes men flushed us down the toilet.
24 posted on 11/30/2008 11:47:44 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Theodore R.
Dr. Paul seemed to fare poorly in the primary debates.

He did quite well, actually.
25 posted on 11/30/2008 11:49:59 AM PST by mysterio
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To: rabscuttle385
Ron Paul declared the Kosovo war illegal. On the other hand, McCain voted to bomb Serbia.

A giant among politicians, Ron Paul is.


26 posted on 11/30/2008 11:50:41 AM PST by Gary Johnson in 2012 (Gary Johnson for President in 2012.)
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To: mysterio

Exactly. It is painful to think how much better off we would be if there had been no new federal initiatives in the last thirty years, and the trillions in capital flushed down the drain had been invested productively.


27 posted on 11/30/2008 11:51:07 AM PST by Buchal ("Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .")
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To: CyberAnt; djsherin; Bokababe; dcwusmc; roamer_1
I can’t fathom a more dangerous OR STUPID foreign policy THAN TO DO NOTHING - IT BOUGHT US 9/11.

The most dangerous foreign (or economic) policy is that of doing something for the sake of doing something.

If we aren’t able as a nation to operate pre-emptively on offense - and wait only to be attacked - and then still do nothing .. there will only be more and more 9/11’s.

So basically, you're advocating starting wars in order to defend the U.S. from war?

Smooth. Very smooth.

28 posted on 11/30/2008 11:51:49 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

Rudy foreign policy + Paul domestic = ideal candidate.


29 posted on 11/30/2008 11:52:23 AM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: rabscuttle385
Ron Paul needs to work on his delivery. I can't stand hearing him whine. And he can take back the “Huckabee is fascist” comment while he's at it.
30 posted on 11/30/2008 11:52:55 AM PST by LiberConservative (Typical white guy)
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To: Perdogg
The *real* problem was he wasn't a member of the Socialist Elite, Council on Foreign Relations.
31 posted on 11/30/2008 11:54:11 AM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Perdogg

His problem was that he was an anti-war isolationist... no thanks.

LLS


32 posted on 11/30/2008 11:55:01 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (GOD, Country, Family... except when it comes to dims! I am an UMA-unity my a$$)
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To: rabscuttle385
Oh nose, who, who let the Paulies out? At least Ron Paul had a few principles that were nonnegotiable.
33 posted on 11/30/2008 11:56:52 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

I think the only guy comparable to Ron Paul was Fred, Duncan Hunter or Tancredo. If Fred had been a few years younger and got started sooner - he would have been a great choice and a great President.


34 posted on 11/30/2008 11:58:32 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: LibLieSlayer
His problem was that he was an anti-war isolationist... no thanks.

An isolationist, by definition, is someone who is anti-war, but also a protectionist and in favor of closed borders to immigrants. So I'm not sure how exactly Ron Paul can, in good honesty, be called an "isolationist" when he is really just a non-interventionist.

35 posted on 11/30/2008 11:59:16 AM PST by Gary Johnson in 2012 (Gary Johnson for President in 2012.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Dr. Paul – he's a physician

And a racist whackjob.

36 posted on 11/30/2008 12:00:03 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012; CyberAnt; Bokababe; kronos77; UCFRoadWarrior; AmericanInTokyo
Ron Paul declared the Kosovo war illegal. On the other hand, McCain voted to bomb Serbia.

Oh, and by the way, McCain was a ready and willing supporter of the KLA, a terrorist group affiliated with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, the criminals who attacked the U.S. on September 11, 2001.

How inconvenient.

. . . . .

Compounded with his well-documented and public support for La Raza and the illegal alien invasion, there is no way that any Freeper who is sound of mind can, without resorting to extensive hypocrisy, say that McCain is strong on national defense.

37 posted on 11/30/2008 12:02:41 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Drango

that’s BS


38 posted on 11/30/2008 12:03:34 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: djsherin
The words were true. However, it's not really appropriate to use the honorific “Dr.” in this situation. He's a Doctor of Medicine — not a Doctor of Economics, or Doctor of Politics. Call him “Dr.” when he's dispensing medical advice — call him “Congressman” when he's dispensing political or economic opinions.
39 posted on 11/30/2008 12:05:16 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: rabscuttle385

Sorry .. I’m not a McCain supporter .. you’re wasting your breath on me.


40 posted on 11/30/2008 12:05:43 PM PST by CyberAnt (Michael Yon: "The U.S. military is the most respected institution in Iraq.")
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To: rabscuttle385

Well .. if you’re so ignorant or just plain stupid that you can’t understand what I said .........


41 posted on 11/30/2008 12:07:09 PM PST by CyberAnt (Michael Yon: "The U.S. military is the most respected institution in Iraq.")
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To: Zevonismymuse

I’m in the same boat.


42 posted on 11/30/2008 12:07:46 PM PST by mcshot (Lord hear our prayers.)
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To: rabscuttle385
The GOP blew it. We threw Ron Paul and the libertarian wing of the party under the bus last year.

The only real youth and vigor that Republicans had captured, had been through Ron Paul's leadership and his popularity with college age voters (I've got two in my family).

So what did the Republican Party do with Ron Paul and his followers? They kicked him (and them) out of the tent, and branded him with a "nutjob" label).

Did anyone think about the fact that we were throwing out the most Internet savvy, the best grassroots organizing, the best fund-raising, the youngest and most dynamic people in this whole election cycle?

I'm sure that a lot of them voted for the 0.

43 posted on 11/30/2008 12:09:57 PM PST by Species8472 (Love thy neighbor as yourself, but choose your neighborhood.)
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To: FBD

Believe what you want....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/index.html#cnnSTCOther1


44 posted on 11/30/2008 12:12:05 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: rabscuttle385

http://www.metimes.com/Security/2008/11/21/commentary_nostradamus_redux/ce3c/

Check this out. Gerald Celente predicting a third party by 2012.


45 posted on 11/30/2008 12:13:12 PM PST by ovrtaxt (It is better for civilization to be going down the drain than to be coming up it. ~Henry Allen)
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To: iopscusa
At least Ron Paul had a few principles that were nonnegotiable.

A quality in desperately short supply. He takes the Constitution of the United States of America seriously, in a day when most "constitutional scholars" seek loopholes and further means to circumvent it.

46 posted on 11/30/2008 12:15:00 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Perdogg
The problem with Ron Paul was his foreign policy.

And that his message was being delivered by... Ron Paul.

47 posted on 11/30/2008 12:15:27 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: rabscuttle385; Allegra
Imagine Ron Paul as president of the United States.

What would Paul do with that power?

We would become a banana Republic....ooops!

I almost forgot!....Obama is also bringing a banana Republic.

Well coulda....shoulda......Banana Republics ...are all the same.

Thanks for crashing the Republican convention Ron. Great way to get public support.

48 posted on 11/30/2008 12:16:49 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain was a ready and willing supporter of the KLA, a terrorist group
affiliated with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda.....and articulated public
support for La Raza and the illegal alien invasion.....

McC was also the stooge candidate of The Pukeneos after Giuliani
bombed.....both candidacies were tightly controlled by The Puke puppeteers.

"Wooty and Chonny join me to tank Kvistol and da pukeneos
for all dey haf done for de Republican Potty."

"Da pukes financed and flacked meeny losing Republican Potty campaigns.
Den dey transferred trillions of US dollars into da Muddleast."

" Dem pukes gave Ameereeka amnesty and saddled us with meellions of
drug runners and criminals undermining US nashional seecurity........and conniving
Turd World lowlifes wit multiple identities who haf destroyed our economee."

"The pukes screw up everyteeng dey touches."

" RINO losers Wooty and Chonny choin me to say 'tanks, pukes.' "

49 posted on 11/30/2008 12:20:17 PM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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To: Drango
Believe what you want....

Yep, some people will believe BS about Paul being a racist no matter how stupid such a belief is or any contradictory evidence.

50 posted on 11/30/2008 12:23:44 PM PST by Gary Johnson in 2012 (Gary Johnson for President in 2012.)
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