Skip to comments.Rod Dreher: Ron Paul, if only we listened
Posted on 11/30/2008 11:16:35 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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Ron Paul has some great ideas. I particularly agree with him on the need for a much smaller goverment. I also applauded what he said prior to the House's first vote on that bailout disaster. And I do admire and agree with his desire for adherence to the Constitution.
However, some of his other stances, such as foreign policy just wouldn't work in today's world. In fact, I believe that could be downright disastrous.
I believe Ron Paul has a place in our hopes for a return to conservatism in the GOP. But not as the top dog.
Jim DeMint on McCain:
McCain, who is a proponent of campaign finance reform that weakened party organizations and basically put (hedge fund billionaire and liberal philanthropist) George Soros in the drivers seat."
His proposal for amnesty for illegals. His support of global warming, cap-and-trade programs that will put another burden on our economy. And, of course, his embrace of the bailout right before the election was probably the nail in our coffin this last election. And he has been an opponent of drilling in ANWR, at a time when energy is so important. It really didnt fit the label, but he was our package.
Too bad that DeMint forgot to mention McCain's implicit support of Osama bin Laden via his overt support for one of al-Qaeda's affiliates, the Kosovo Liberation Army.
Bullcrap. Did you listen to even a single GOP presidential debate in 2007?
This too is also BS. In 2004 Ron Paul voted against the Virgil Goode's amendment to HR-4200 authorize the U.S. military on the border.
I support using our military to secure our nation's borders. But Paul has never been a 'Tancredo' on immigration.
The only thing scarier to me now that I give Paul his due—recognizing he wasn’t just some extremist crank, but cogent, sincere and well-considered in his opinions—is that I actually find myself agreeing with Dreher.
Still, the best thing Paul could do would be to cultivate a cadre of serious candidates in his mold and see a national intra- or extra-Republican Party organization put them into office.
He’s never going to be president, but he might become the Goldwater that gives way to a Reagan.
Uh-huh, an old newsletter posted in CNN...”rant against blacks, gays...”
That is typical liberal bilge about conservative “racism and bigotry.” What a crock of BS.
Is CNN your favorite news source?
I'm sure that a lot of them voted for the 0.
It was a tactical blunder of epic proportions. Most of them didn't vote for Obama, they just stayed home. The only thing that almost saved McCain was Sarah Palin. I don't know anybody who voted Republican because of McCain, either they voted against Obama or for Palin.
Without the small government, libertarian wing of the Republican party we end up with RINO centrist losers like McCain or Dole. And Democratic presidents.
Are you saying that’s NOT Ron Paul’s newsletter, or are you saying that didn’t write the article and published it without reading the material?
I did my best but 19 yo daughter was for Ron Paul. And yes, there was enough overlap between Paul and other Republicans that he and his folllowers should be treated with respect. The Republicans needed every vote. And we will the next election. It never hurts to be kind at least to those who actually may vote for you.
The economy tanked at a very inopportune moment, Bush seemed clueless, and the war was not popular. And our candidate was clueless.
If we are going to do a preventive war 5000 miles away from America, it had better be quick. Now we are faced with the prospect of a SCOTUS with a liberal majority if one of our guys goes down.
SCOTUS is far more important for conservatives than the internal politics of Iraq. Bomb the crap out of Iraq all you want but getting bogged down in a land war is not a good use of political capital. Liberalism/socialism Harry Reid, Pelosi etc unfortunately while not nutty Islamists are right here in our own country and far more dangerous than nutty Muslims 5000 miles from here.
I voted for Ron Paul every chance I had...except the last. I won’t let that exception occur in the future.
“Rod Dreher: Ron Paul, if only we listened”
The problem was not Ron Paul, it was the cereal brigade that was the most vocal of his supporters, and that kind of kookery rubs off eventually on the candidate. Heck, he even validated the kooks by going on the radio show of their pied piper leader. It is really sad because he had some very good ideas especially where the economy is concerned.
Ron Paul is just another clueless surrender monkey indistinguishable as regards national security from the Party of Treason.
Credit is an inseperable element of Capitalism.
“The problem with Ron Paul was his foreign policy.”
WRONG! The problem with Bush is he got us into a war that was based on the mythical WMD. Even Colin Powell stated on national TV that the US intelligence was given false information on WMD and sometimes deliberately. This has weighed heavy on Powells mind and may explain some of the reasons why he switched to being an Obama supporter.
“And he can take back the Huckabee is fascist comment while he’s at it.”
Huckafraud is NOT a fascist. He is a nanny-stater. A fascist-lite.
If Powell said that, he somewhat contradicted himself from his interview with Tim Russert on MTP on June 10th, 2007.
I do think that Ron Paul and his supporters could have been handled with a bit more respect. Yes, he can be a bit loony at times, but he’s right about a lot more than most Republicans are willing to admit.
I voted for McCain in the general election, but I did vote for Ron Paul in the primary, because I was not happy with the way conservatives were shut out of the nominating process.
“They kicked him (and them) out of the tent, and branded him with a “nutjob” label).”
Too many of his supporters are plainly certifiable. Eventually that stench attaches itself to the candidate that the fruits and nuts love.
Actually...Paul is not anti-trade. He is a Libertarian, so he naturally is pro-free trade (unfortunately, whether such free trade is destructive for America or not).
I think Ron Paul served a purpose in this campaign that may pay dividends in the future. Many young people who normally would grow up into nanny staters have been introduced to some conservative principles because of their association with the Ron Paul movement.
So the foreign policy of pouring a trillion dollars into Iraq, mortgaging our nation's future, is somehow not "a problem?"
Your post makes sense...unfortunately some on here will accuse you of being pro-terrorist and anti-war
Going to war in Iraq was a good idea...however GWB lost his committment to win it...and prefered playing liberal globalist social engineer instead.
Then, McCain comes up with his “we’ll stay in Iraq 100 years”....real stupid...and no committment to win
Should be read and digested by every so/con as we move foward to wrest the party from the filthy hands of these imposters.
It is strange that to be against a prolonged land war, waged with American blood to “bring democracy” to a bunch of nutty Islamic nations (if Clinton did this, it’s “nation-building”) who have very peculiar ideas about truth, as opposed to cutting taxes and taking on the libs over immigration, global warming, energy etc that some FReepers will bash me as pro-terrorist. Yeah, we have different priorities, no doubt, but to say I am pro-terrorist (and you’re right, I have elicited such responses) is absurd and if that is how conservatives wish to debate it is no wonder we lost the moderate vote, which we need some of every election to win.
I will say: we should not let any more Muslims/Arabs in this country and kick out all we can legally, let their visas expire, no more jobs, etc. But then, they will work for less money in scientific/academic professions than Americans, so Uncle Sam wants them here. Yeah, I am pro-terrorist.
There’s good credit and bad credit or in other words credit based on savings and credit created from the stroke of a pen. No one is saying credit has to go.
Ping to read later
I hate to burst your bubble, but Ronald Reagan had good things to say about libertarianism. What’s your problem? Of do you just like to lose.
If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”
From Interview with President Reagan, published in Reason July 1975
It is interesting to observe business cycles and the credit aspect of them. No matter people don’t learn and keep doing the things which impact and drive the business cycle.
Credit abuses are something which cannot be avoided without crushing the economy in general.
If the government is not dictating social engineering through credit it generally is not a problem. Remove that aspect of it.
One of the more brilliant and incisive comments made by Dr Paul at one of the debates was that "we in the US cannot comprehend the Mideast mindset"........a 1000-year old mindset beset by generations of religious/sectarian infighting.
OVER A CLIFF The Pukeneos blithely announced they wanted "to spread democracy" (a 200-year old experiment) into the democracy-averse Mideast but the pukes hidden agenda crafted in secret at tax-paid three-hour lunches in posh restaurants surfaced a couple trillion tax dollars, and wasted young lives later.
MAKING THE REGION SAFE FOR PERLE'S OIL BUSINESS The Pukes led us over a cliff into Iraq using forged documents ...... and calculatedly manipulated the transfer of massive amounts of US wealth into Mideast hellholes (and into the pockets of war profiteers). Puke poobah Richard Perle, is actually going into the oil business in Iraq-----thanks to blood spilled by young Americans, and his cut of trillions of US tax dollars.
Anybody in the party who was infected by the pukeneos must be ousted.....to be redeemed only if the Infected One publicly renounces The Pukes and all they stand for.
The puke cancer has been eating away the party structure far too long. The pukes stupid political strategy supported loser after loser----they flacked McCain, Ghouliani, Mehlman, Martinez.......the list goes on and on.
Giuliani's prez campaign, masterminded by the pukes, made history as the singular most stupid campign in American political history.
Conservatives have witnessed the disastrous results of America-hating, abortion worshippung pukes let loose on our political system.
The nincompooneos kicked so/cons to the curb, and are obsessed with religious cleansing.
Worst of all, Pukeneos foisted amnesty on the US, saddling us with millions of drug runners and criminals undermining US ntl security........and conniving Third World lowlifes using multiple stolen identities who have destroyed our economy.
Course, it's difficult for dumbheaded nincompoopneos to figure it out, so let's be clear: the entire nauseating pukeneo cabal needs to stay away....far away. Includes David Frum, Michael Gerson, David Brooks, little Billy Kristol and his Daddy, Dumbo document forger Douglas Feith, Rooty Ghouliani, Lieberman (plus the termite pukes who operate sub rosa).
The pukes should not get anywhere near the Repub party, or try influencing the leadership.
Now, if the conservative-hating pukes don't like conservatives and the conservative Republican party----that's too frickin' bad.
With Fractional Reserve Banking, too much credit will always be a problem, but credit is usually extended when the government wants it to be for one reason or another.
Saying Yes to Socialism is what has us in such piss poor shape.
"Ouch---that's the thanks I get for helping you guys win the WH."
Credit bubbles like stock market bubbles and housing bubbles are unavoidable. Hell when speculation can even be in tulips anything is possible in a free society.
Honest societies? Are you under the impression that we used to have one?
There was no myth.
Saddam even had an entire nuclear research program hidden in Libya.
And there were thousands of forbidden weapons found and destroyed. Some of these injured our soldiers who found them.
Saddam kept the programatic capability alive so that the biological and chemical warfare programs would be up and running within months.
Dozens of the top Iraqi scientists working on these programs were assassinated after the invasion.
Weapons were removed to Syria according to Gen. Sada one of Itaq’s top Air Force leaders.
EVERY intelligence agency in the world said the same thing about Saddam’s weapons. EVERY one.
Ron Paul is a fool if he is not aware of these FACTS. He is no better than a RAT in this regard.
How does conservatives being incapable of electing a nominee equate with “being shut out of the nominating process”?
If they were shut out it was because they did not get behind a candidate capable of winning votes but kept putting up people with NO chance.
Your description of what is happening is false. Wars are sometimes necessary and Ron Paul’s conception of foreign policy is ludicrous and indistinguishable from that of your typical RAT.
“Ron Paul doesn’t seem quite so loony anymore..”
Nah, he still is kooky.
So many whacko things he said are beyond reason and quite frankly frightning.
No president has ever been stronger wrt National Security as Reagan. In NO way was it Libertarian. Nor was Ronnie.
How come you didn’t mention any conservatives in your post?
Ron Paul is pretty much clueless about everything and certainly has no idea about how to grow the GOP. He probably thinks top flight medical treatment is bleeding.
Just another RAT in disguise.
Because Democrats and Independents were allowed to choose our nominee.
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