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McCain evolved from reluctant warrior to interventionist
McClatchy via The Centre Daily Times, State College, PA ^ | 2008-11-04 | Jonathan S. Landay

Posted on 11/30/2008 4:33:55 PM PST by rabscuttle385

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1 posted on 11/30/2008 4:33:55 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: Bokababe
In speeches and interviews McCain:
* Has invoked a variety of justifications for using force, from defending the nation's security, allies, interests and "principles and values" to halting genocide in places such as Darfur and Kosovo and salvaging U.S. "credibility."

FYI

2 posted on 11/30/2008 4:35:34 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: MaggieCarta; indylindy; roamer_1; calcowgirl; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; SoConPubbie; Sybeck1; ...

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3 posted on 11/30/2008 4:36:04 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

In my honest opinion McLame lost it when he sign onto that POS Bailout Bill.

I made up my mind right then and there that I will NEVER support (however tepidly) another Senator for POTUS again. NEVER!


4 posted on 11/30/2008 4:38:53 PM PST by Howie66 (To the RAT Party: How can I question your patriotism? You have none, so what's your point?)
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To: Howie66

I agree. At that point, it became difficult to argue that the Republican party was less socialist than the Democratic candidate/party.


5 posted on 11/30/2008 4:48:08 PM PST by knittnmom (FReeper formerly known as 80 Square Miles)
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To: rabscuttle385
I think that Bob Dole was actually a worse candidate than John McCain was.

Dole, on the other hand was a better Senator and a better man for the job.

The Republican Party now lays in ashes partly because of McCain's incompetence.

Tell me something that I did not know 6 months ago.

6 posted on 11/30/2008 4:50:57 PM PST by Radix (Posting cynical responses ever since...."What time is it anyhow?")
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To: Howie66
That's also when his polls tanked. He squandered all of the gains from naming Palin to run with him.

McCain't need to retire, his days as an effective politician are behind him.
7 posted on 11/30/2008 4:51:49 PM PST by FrankR (A lie would have no sense unless the truth were felt dangerous.- Alfred Adler)
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To: FrankR

He just barely had my support before he picked Governor Palin...had it solid when he did....and squandered it like a drunken sailor when he voted yes on that POS.

I will never forgive him for that because in essence, he threw our country down the crapper by default.


8 posted on 11/30/2008 4:57:06 PM PST by Howie66 (To the RAT Party: How can I question your patriotism? You have none, so what's your point?)
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To: rabscuttle385

The “old guard” went with an old, Bob Dole-esque candidate because it was “his turn.” McCain was old like Dole, a bad candidate like Dole, represented a “new right” wing of the party like Dole, ran a bad campaign like Dole....so was it really any surprise the election ended in a Dole-like result?

No more Bob Doles or John McCains as the party’s nominees, please.


9 posted on 11/30/2008 5:02:56 PM PST by Gary Johnson in 2012 (Gary Johnson for President in 2012.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Republican presidential hopeful John McCain fixed his sights on Saddam Hussein long before President Bush sent the U.S. military to oust the Iraqi dictator in March 2003.

So did Bill and Hillary Clinton and half the libs in Congress. Looks like he continues to run with the same crowd in thought and deed..

10 posted on 11/30/2008 5:05:05 PM PST by TADSLOS (McCain Courted Socialism and Brought Us Marxism Instead)
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To: rabscuttle385
In speeches and interviews McCain: * Has invoked a variety of justifications for using force, from defending the nation's security, allies, interests and "principles and values" to halting genocide in places such as Darfur and Kosovo and salvaging U.S. "credibility." "

The German Courts (the Kosovo Albanians' Ally) ruled that there was NO KOSOVO GENOCIDE.

The UN Court in Kosovo (which included an Albanian Judge) ruled that there was NO KOSOVO GENOCIDE.

But, McCain & the rest of the Clinton crew including Obama, keep repeating that same lie over and over, as though repeating it will turn a lie into truth.

11 posted on 11/30/2008 5:05:59 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

Dole also had a last minute ‘twist’ by picking Kemp for VP and they weren’t coordinated on the issues. Same with McCain and Palin and the campaign was awkward as a result.


12 posted on 11/30/2008 5:22:44 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Jonathan S. Landay (McClatchy Newspapers):
by Radio Left Review on Fri 03 Nov 2006 05:48 PM CST
RadioLeft Review
Flush Rush

|http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2006/11/3/2472215.html

Skippy, I see you again get your information from the far left and their hate for those fighting against Landry’s heros the IslamOfascists.

American men and women and our allies are fighting the enemy so school boys can sit in their father’s home and
spread leftwing crap against those who are fighting for freedom


13 posted on 11/30/2008 5:38:20 PM PST by SoCalPol (In Defeat: Defiance - Churchill)
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To: SoCalPol; rabscuttle385
Skippy, I see you again get your information from the far left and their hate for those fighting against Landry’s heros the IslamOfascists.

Hey Skippy yourself,

Why not try refuting what the author has to say by presenting facts, logic and reason instead of pulling out the tired and old he's from the left garbage.

I saw plenty of disingenuous, untrue, half-true articles from people on the right this election season.

Just because somebody is published on a lefty-blog or is left-leaning in his views does not immediately mean that everything they write is a lie.

Conversely, just because somebody is published on a right-wing blog or publication or is right-leaning in his views does not mean automatcially they are correct or honest in what they are writing.
14 posted on 11/30/2008 6:28:00 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: SoCalPol; roamer_1; calcowgirl; djsherin; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; Bokababe; dcwusmc; ...
Skippy, I see you again get your information...

First off, my name isn't Skippy.

American men and women and our allies are fighting the enemy so school boys can sit in their father’s home and spread leftwing crap against those who are fighting for freedom

Freedom? LOL. The U.S. is entangled in Middle Eastern affairs because of the globalists and their twisted vision of "opening up" the Middle East to the rest of the world. The U.S. funnels billions of dollars on a daily basis to hostile powers for oil and is then surprised when they turn on us. [Furthermore, why the hell is the U.S. borrowing from such foreign States and then turning around and spending those dollars to defend their sorry arses?]

The solution is not more war. The solution is to damn the Greenies, open up all domestic energy supplies and natural resources for development, and tell the terrorists in the desert to go pound sand. Let them drink their own oil. Then, pull out, and let the Muslims return to killing each other instead of doing this:

Oh, and by the way, please try to realize that the primary role of the United States Government is to provide for a common defense of the United States territory against all enemies, foreign and domestic, not to rule the world by imposing its will on other countries. Too bad that the U.S. was too busy doing the latter to fulfill the former on September 11.

15 posted on 11/30/2008 6:42:42 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: SoConPubbie

ping


16 posted on 11/30/2008 6:43:18 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: SoConPubbie

The views are right out of the Marxist Code Pinkos I have countered many times at their rallies.

I have many relatives who have fought in Iraq and Afgh. and are still over there. I hear and read first hand
what the truth is vs. one of the typical far left anti war, open border, fairness doc. lemmings.


17 posted on 11/30/2008 6:46:07 PM PST by SoCalPol (In Defeat: Defiance - Churchill)
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To: SoCalPol
"The views are right out of the Marxist Code Pinkos I have countered many times at their rallies."

You go to "Marxist Code Pinko Rallies"? Wow!

"I have many relatives who have fought in Iraq and Afgh. and are still over there. I hear and read first hand what the truth is vs. one of the typical far left anti war, open border, fairness doc. lemmings."

As far as "anti-war", what person in their right mind worships war and thinks that war is "a good thing"? War is and always should be a court of last resort, in defense of the United States of America and no one else! That is what our country was founded on.

No one is suggesting "open borders" EXCEPT the libs and the neocons -- McCain (Mr.McAmnesty) being one of them!

Hate to break it to you but you are arguing against your own position, SoCalPol

18 posted on 11/30/2008 7:01:59 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: rabscuttle385

It’s too bad he didn’t evolve into retirement before he polluted the Republican primary elections and ended up handing Obama a victory.


19 posted on 11/30/2008 7:02:16 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself)
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To: rabscuttle385

Your same delusional thinking can be seen at DU and KOS

BTW enjoy your candidate’s selection

Obama Appoints Speechwriting and Intergovernmental Affairs Heads(Obama Taps La Raza VP)

Barack Obama continued rounding out his White House staff today, naming Cecilia Munoz director of intergovernmental affairs

Munoz, meanwhile, will oversee the White House office responsible for relations between the administration and state and local governments.

The 2000 MacArthur Foundation “genius grant” winner is a senior vice president at the National Council of La Raza, a leading Hispanic civil rights group.

There, she has spearheaded many of the organization’s immigration initiatives. Currently, she is in charge of the group’s entire advocacy and legislative agenda.


20 posted on 11/30/2008 7:04:03 PM PST by SoCalPol (In Defeat: Defiance - Churchill)
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To: SoCalPol; Bokababe; calcowgirl; djsherin; SoConPubbie
"The views are right out of the Marxist Code Pinkos I have countered many times at their rallies."

You go to "Marxist Code Pinko Rallies"? Wow!

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

21 posted on 11/30/2008 7:06:34 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: SoCalPol; Bokababe; calcowgirl; djsherin; SoConPubbie
Your same delusional thinking can be seen at DU and KOS

"Drill Baby Drill" is...delusional?

The primary role of the U.S. Government being the common defense of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic...is delusional? Wtf?

Then again, I suppose that such things would seem delusional to a self-admitted attender of "Marxist Code Pinko Rallies."

22 posted on 11/30/2008 7:09:27 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Bokababe

I along with other FReepers and Postest Warriors counter the Code Pinkos at their rallies near the Naval Hospital and Medical center here in San Diego the same as the DC Freepers do at Walter Reed.

But you knew this and just wanted to be a smart ass


23 posted on 11/30/2008 7:09:33 PM PST by SoCalPol (In Defeat: Defiance - Churchill)
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To: rabscuttle385

Have you ever seen conservatives counter Marxists at their rallies such ie, when I was with some of the Minite men and others countering ove 50,000 Mexicans at their rally here a few yrs. ago.

So Some of the San Diego FReeper, DC Freepers, and Minute men are Marxists, interesting.


24 posted on 11/30/2008 7:14:50 PM PST by SoCalPol (In Defeat: Defiance - Churchill)
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To: SoCalPol

The MacArthur Foundation was a big backer of McCain’s Campaign Finance Reform.

Cecilia Munoz was a big supporter of McCain’s amnesty program.

Buy a clue. They’re ALL liberals and the longer the Republican party pursues a non-conservative agenda we’ll ALL be losers!


25 posted on 11/30/2008 7:16:07 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain saw the intelligence on how many terrorist attacks Saddam was involved in. Info most don't have a clue even today.
http://www.lauriemylroie.com/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1946473/posts?page=37
26 posted on 11/30/2008 7:18:41 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: calcowgirl

While some are still fighting last months war, we need to deal with Marxist Obama and make his stay miserable.

The children who are playing games with the Code Pinko rallies I have countered, a freeper you know and on your ping list has been with me on these, so the children on this thread thinks she is a Marxist too, I don’t think so.


27 posted on 11/30/2008 7:21:11 PM PST by SoCalPol (In Defeat: Defiance - Churchill)
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To: shield; calcowgirl; Bokababe; SoConPubbie; djsherin
Laurie Mylroie is the author of "Study of Revenge: Saddam Hussein's Unfinished War," which outlines her case that Iraq had a central role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. She served as an adviser on Iraq to the 1992 Clinton presidential campaign.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1946473/posts?page=37#37

Why exactly should I trust a Clintonista's advice?

28 posted on 11/30/2008 7:21:30 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: SoCalPol
"I along with other FReepers and Postest Warriors counter the Code Pinkos at their rallies near the Naval Hospital and Medical center here in San Diego the same as the DC Freepers do at Walter Reed. But you knew this and just wanted to be a smart ass

Yeah, right -- my trusty little crystal ball revealed all that to me.

Now why would you think that I'd know where you've been & why?

29 posted on 11/30/2008 7:21:46 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: SoCalPol; rabscuttle385

Our candidate? I wasn’t aware a third party won this election. News to me.


30 posted on 11/30/2008 7:30:03 PM PST by djsherin (The federal government:: Because someone has to f*** things up!)
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To: SoCalPol
While some are still fighting last months war, we need to deal with Marxist Obama and make his stay miserable.

Last month's war? Hello??!!!! McCain has joined with Harry Reid and wants to pull the pubbies along with him to support the Messiah. We need to fight them ALL! Same with McCain/Lieberman's cap and trade nonsense that Obama is now pushing.

You need to take off those rose-colored pubblie glasses and start identifying all the liberals we need to fight. Yes... some of them even have an "R" by their name.

I would have thought you would have learned this after being a big Arnold supporter. The enemy(R) IS within and until they are purged, they will undermine every effort made by those trying to defeat the enemies(D)!

31 posted on 11/30/2008 7:41:00 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: rabscuttle385

Laurie Mylroie has actually done some very impressive investigative work on various subjects. Don’t judge her based only on her old boss. Of course, using her work as a basis for justifying McCain being an interventionist and voting to spend trillions of dollars building infrastructure in foreign lands is a stretch, IMO.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/lauriemylroie/index?tab=articles


32 posted on 11/30/2008 7:52:31 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Not many if any threads bashing Obama by the McCain bashers. Obama gets a free pass.


33 posted on 11/30/2008 7:55:17 PM PST by SoCalPol (In Defeat: Defiance - Churchill)
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To: SoCalPol; rabscuttle385; hiredhand
Not many if any threads bashing Obama by the McCain bashers. Obama gets a free pass.

Personally, I find that I have more responsiblity for and influence on my own kids than the gang bangers down the street.

We need to clean up our own house to have any chance of effectively fighting Democrats. With "our guy McCain" playing quarterback and constantly throwing the ball to the other team, we don't have much chance. Time to bench the Maverick.

Ya can keep fighting Bustamante if ya want, but Arnold IS a major cause of the problems in California. The same goes for McCain with respect to the nation.

34 posted on 11/30/2008 8:05:56 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: SoCalPol; rabscuttle385; calcowgirl

Obama is a socialist. The theme here is that we won’t tolerate it within our own party. The enemy within is more dangerous than the one who openly carries his banner for all to see. As such we will continue to “bash” RINO’s like McLame and Gramnesty.

Obama is a moron. He’s economically illiterate and he’s going to make this crisis much worse. He honestly believes the government can and should help people. Both are wrong and the should is unconstitutional. Why would we NOT get angry when people with an R behind their name agree and work with him?


35 posted on 11/30/2008 8:08:44 PM PST by djsherin (The federal government:: Because someone has to f*** things up!)
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To: djsherin
Why would we NOT get angry when people with an R behind their name agree and work with him?

I am always amused by those who don't get angry and actually try to defend the scumbags. Blind partisanship or closet liberals... not sure which is most prevalent.

I think ya missed a word or something here:

Both are are wrong and the should is unconstitutional.

36 posted on 11/30/2008 8:15:53 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

*Personally, I find that I have more responsiblity for and influence on my own kids than the gang bangers down the street.*

That thinking gave us Hitler, he inched along year after year in the 1930s until it was to late.
I grew up around dozens and dozens of people fresh out of
the Nazi camps. I saw Buchanwald when I was in East Germany in 1983. Not exactly a vacation spot.


37 posted on 11/30/2008 8:18:17 PM PST by SoCalPol (In Defeat: Defiance - Churchill)
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To: calcowgirl

Oh it sounded better in my head. I guess the “should” should be in quotation marks. I was trying to say that the idea that the government can and should help people (New Deal, welfare style) is wrong, and the act of the government helping (again in the same way) people is unconstitutional.


38 posted on 11/30/2008 8:21:47 PM PST by djsherin (The federal government:: Because someone has to f*** things up!)
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To: djsherin

Except Obama will be the President and running the country
with Soros helping pull the strings among others.


39 posted on 11/30/2008 8:23:33 PM PST by SoCalPol (In Defeat: Defiance - Churchill)
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To: SoCalPol
That thinking gave us Hitler...

Oh, give me a break! You are way over the top with this crap.

...he inched along year after year in the 1930s until it was to late.

And the liberals are moving along with their socialist agenda, aided and abetted by the likes of John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and others. If Republicans don't reject them, who exactly do you think will? With a John McCain as "titular head" of the GOP, how do you expect Conservatives to effectively fight Obama and his commie clan?

You really, really, need to take a closer look at who all of the enemies are. Democrats do not have the monopoly on liberalism.

(Hint--the enemy ain't me, or rabscuttle, or ron paul, or any of the others who you continue to snipe at--unless you actually want to advance the liberal agenda).

40 posted on 11/30/2008 8:30:56 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: djsherin

Thanks! I got it now. LOL.


41 posted on 11/30/2008 8:31:44 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl; SoCalPol

You may just have hit on it here... p’raps SOCalPol IS trying to advance the liberal/socialist agenda... Would hardly be surprising.


42 posted on 11/30/2008 9:26:48 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: SoCalPol; djsherin
Except Obama will be the President and running the country with Soros helping pull the strings among others.

Soros is pulling McCain's strings too. What's your point?

43 posted on 11/30/2008 9:48:01 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: dcwusmc; calcowgirl; SoCalPol; djsherin
You may just have hit on it here... p’raps SOCalPol IS trying to advance the liberal/socialist agenda... Would hardly be surprising.

As the Republican Party continues its steady leftward drift, it's no surprise that Party Firsters and folks who are too scared to take the leap of faith needed to jump to a genuinely conservative third party find themselves advocating for the Socialist agenda.

44 posted on 11/30/2008 9:58:56 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

I am a Reagan Republican, worked for him when he first ran for gov. and saw him many time in person and also when he was pres. Met and spoke with him. To bad you think Reagan is a socialist.


45 posted on 11/30/2008 10:15:51 PM PST by SoCalPol (In Defeat: Defiance - Churchill)
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To: calcowgirl
[...] all the liberals we need to fight. Yes... some of them even have an "R" by their name.

SOME?

;)

46 posted on 11/30/2008 10:29:28 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: SoCalPol
I am a Reagan Republican, worked for him when he first ran for gov. and saw him many time in person and also when he was pres. Met and spoke with him.

So how about the last two decades? I know you were an ardent supporter of Schwarzenegger and McCain. You had it right three decades ago but recent actions pretty much negate that, IMO.

To bad you think Reagan is a socialist.

Illogical leap on your part.

47 posted on 11/30/2008 11:02:40 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: roamer_1

ROFL!

I did say *liberal*, not *moderate* or *centrist*.

Don’t ya just love all these “pragmatic” names they come up with for anti-conservatives? lol.


48 posted on 11/30/2008 11:04:36 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: dcwusmc; SoCalPol
You may just have hit on it here... p’raps SOCalPol IS trying to advance the liberal/socialist agenda...

Nah... I don't think so. At least not intentionally. Sometimes partisanship just masks reality.

Until some folks realize that having an (R) in office (who likes to reach across the aisle on liberal issues but never receives like gestures from the left) is just as dangerous (if not more so) than a Dem, we'll slide faster into socialism than if we were all fighting together against (D) leadership.

Acknowledging McCain as any kind of leader in the party, knowing that he wants to push amnesty and cap-and-trade programs, is just plain idiotic, IMO. Ya can't tell Schwarzenegger apart from Al Gore these days. These so-called "leaders" need to be wholly rejected ASAP before they use their friends in the liberal media to completely take control of our future via a "rebranding" of the GOP.

49 posted on 11/30/2008 11:11:56 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: SoCalPol; roamer_1; calcowgirl; dcwusmc; Bokababe; djsherin
To bad you think Reagan is a socialist.

Why are you putting words in my mouth?

50 posted on 12/01/2008 12:49:51 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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