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Don't Rush to Declare the U.S. Done (Mild Russian BDS Alert)
The Moscow Times ^ | December 1, 2008 | Alexei Bayer

Posted on 11/30/2008 5:32:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Bitter anti-U.S. rhetoric from the Kremlin has been seen as a symptom of Russia's return to its Soviet past. But while the words may be similar, the gist of today's anti-Americanism in Russia could not be more different. In the doddering years of communism, Soviet ideology grew hollow, and official predictions of the imminent demise of capitalism could not disguise popular fascination with the United States and its movies, clothes, music, cigarettes and general way of life.

Now there is genuine hatred of the United States among ordinary Russians. The Internet brims with harangues and complaints about pindosy, the dismissive slang term for Americans. In a recent New York Times op-ed aptly titled "From Russia with Loathing," Cathy Young noted that 43 percent of Russians believe that Washington's goal is to destroy Russia.

Early in the current financial crisis, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin declared that it marked the end of the United States as a global economic leader. President Dmitry Medvedev has called for a new financial system and even proposed the ruble as a "regional" reserve currency.

In their criticism of Washington, Russian leaders are actually far more restrained than a large portion of their people. Even on reputable Internet forums, participants' Schadenfreude can be summed up as follows: "The pindosy got what they deserved, and the sooner their economic bubble bursts and their dollar goes to hell the better."

The optimal scenario of a post-dollar world, it seems, would be a partnership between Russia and China. I'd be a rich man if I got a penny for every web posting I have read describing an idyllic world where Russia provides raw materials for humming Chinese factories and imports Chinese goods.

This, of course, is a pipe dream. The United States remains by far the world's largest economy, comprising a quarter of global GDP and an even larger share of demand. U.S. multinationals dominate their industries. The country's scientific prowess and technological innovation are unmatched; one indicator of this is the number of U.S. Nobel Prize laureates and pioneering high-tech businesses. Moreover, it has the world's strongest military. Despite the crisis, the United States will surely remain the leader of the global economic and political system for many decades.

To be sure, the presidency of George W. Bush has been very bad for the United States. Under Bush, the country has violated many of its own laws, but it remains one of the world's first democracies, its Constitution is a model for other nations and its republican form of government has spread worldwide over the past two centuries. Most of the world has welcomed the election of the first African-American as U.S. president, and there is a good chance that Barack Obama will be able to take advantage of this international goodwill to strengthen the United States as a global leader.

China's government, meanwhile, does not aspire to democracy or liberty. It is the same Communist Party that executed and starved tens of millions of its own citizens. The party maintains tight controls at home, but its nervous reaction to dissent raises doubt about long-term stability. It was not a wise economic leader until the 1990s, and the current crisis will test its competence.

Moreover, China's foreign policy is blatantly nationalistic. The Chinese drive a hard bargain. China has little concern for foreigners and no respect for Russia. A Beijing-dominated world would not be a pleasant place for its northern neighbor.

If they wish, Russia and China could easily abandon the U.S.-dominated economic and political system and set up shop on their own. They did so once, after the Communist victory in China in 1949. The period was marked by poverty and repression, and in the end the two partners nearly came to blows. Few Chinese want to see those days return.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: bush; china; coldwar2; communism; economy; obama; russia; sovietunion
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1 posted on 11/30/2008 5:32:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Always some Russian whiner somewhere, Fur Shur.

I've always wondered if they are aware of their leading national characteristic.

2 posted on 11/30/2008 5:37:05 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Sino-Soviet split is alive and well, even after the fall of the Soviet Union. Interesting.


3 posted on 11/30/2008 5:37:37 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Vodka and Abortion destroyed Russia.
All their women are fleeing in droves to foreign countries for that reason.

Always blame the winner for your own failure I guess.


4 posted on 11/30/2008 5:38:15 PM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“The pindosy got what they deserved, and the sooner their economic bubble bursts and their dollar goes to hell the better.”

Sorry, Ignorivich, but I hear much worse bashing from your die hard commie buddies born and raised here in the US...Portland has been and continues to have more than their fair share of these unenlightenable deep thinkers.
5 posted on 11/30/2008 5:45:45 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Obama is Americas new Forrest Gump...but with an oversized ego and ears.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Russia's going to be a non-factor in the world economy before long. Why import Chinese goods when there's nobody to buy them?

Demographers estimate that Russia could lose 40 million people - almost a third of its current population - by the middle of the century.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6990802.stm


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6 posted on 11/30/2008 5:49:42 PM PST by JCG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author is right to the extent that the USA is and will remain the power to emulate and wrong in saying that Bush broke US laws.


7 posted on 11/30/2008 5:59:00 PM PST by Mike Darancette (I have nothing to say - Oliver Hardy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
China has little concern for foreigners and no respect for Russia. A Beijing-dominated world would not be a pleasant place for its northern neighbor.

Extremely true. The Russians are even worse than us in thinking for the short term only. The Chinese think in terms of centuries.

Russia is a demographic nightmare. It is dying. It's populace is evaporating. It has allied itself, and is increasing the power of, resource hungry nations on its borders that are antithetical to its Christianity and its culture whose populace is growing.

A recipe for going away in this century. The Russians always figure out their mistakes after much pain. This time the pain may prove fatal before they figure it out.
8 posted on 11/30/2008 6:15:49 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Ruble isn't doing too hot right now, and the Yuan is still pegged to the dollar, which it will be for some time.

9 posted on 11/30/2008 6:21:01 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Under Bush, the country has violated many of its own laws,...

How 'bout giving us a clue as to which ones were violated. I think Ivan has been watching to many CNN and PMSNBC broadcasts.

10 posted on 11/30/2008 6:40:20 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (For more information on America's "new direction" read The Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Kind of an interesting article actually.

Aside from inferring Bush broke trhe Constitution and Obama is the Second Coming, a lot of it is correct.

The Bush administration, Clinton Administration and Bush I administration really ruined the victory of Ronald Reagan, Lech Walesa and the Pope.

Our treatment of Russia has been naive (I can see his soul in his eyes - statement by Bush II about Putin), idiotic (plaincg missiles on the Polish border, inane (Bush I preaching to the Ukrainians and Baltic States about maintaining a union with the Russians), and misguided (ignoring an opportunity to move the new Russia towards an effective capitalist system).

We should be making RATIONAL overtures to the Russians and other eastern European States. WE should be offering an economic and military union with them. WE need each other. Russia is INFESTED with Muslims - ticking time bombs in their midst.

We should be aware of ethnic hostilities in the East and avoid aggravating them.

There is great economic and defense potential in alliances with eastern European States including Russia if handled with intelligence, finesse, diplomacy and historical awareness.

You would have though Rice, as a student of Russian History, would have predicted Putin's reaction to the wacky missile idea. Perhaps she did, but was overruled by Bush II.

WE will never know.

11 posted on 11/30/2008 6:40:44 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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Ordinary Russians hate us because that's what Putin trained them to do. He controls the media and has used us to unify his power. Every problem in Russia is now America’s fault. It is clear the Russian people were unable to govern themselves and now prefer another dictator to tell them what to do. Good luck with that...
12 posted on 11/30/2008 6:43:49 PM PST by DB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Article is a bit incorrect about comparison. They should compare current situation with anti-Americanism to to situation when Soviet Union started, not when it was about to go under.

In that time populace had their lives improved a bit, triumphalism was high and dismissive or even hateful emotions toward the West were commonplace.

Russia had rising living standards (at least in a few major cities) for several years. Government attributed it not to the oil bubble, but Putin's genius. In those years nationalistic triumphalism reached a fever level among some populace, which decided that American era is gone and Russian one has begun.

Now it's all crumbling. Again, it's not attributed to any reality, but to the conspiracy by the US to ruin Russia.

Remember 50+ years passed in the Soviet Union before people got disillusioned with their Government and stopped considering the West as “the past” or enemies. It will take time.

13 posted on 11/30/2008 7:52:50 PM PST by alecqss
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Russians who wish for a "partnership" with China and resent the US are historically challenged. Still suffering the distortions of post-USSR adjustment, they have not yet matured enough to discern who their real enemies are.
14 posted on 11/30/2008 7:59:34 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: JCG

Good can’t happen soon enough for me.


15 posted on 11/30/2008 9:00:15 PM PST by mimaw
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To: JCG
Demographers estimate that Russia could lose 40 million people - almost a third of its current population

Not surprising considering the massive death toll during the Soviet era. It is estimated that the Russians lost 5-9 million during the civil war, 20 million during the famine and Soviet terror in the late 20's and the 1930's, and another 20 million during the war. There is a story about when the great Soviet census was taken in the late 30's it actually showed a huge decrease the population. Stalin was so angry he had the members of the census bureau executed.

16 posted on 11/30/2008 9:14:20 PM PST by Larry381 (The White House soon will be filled with BO)
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To: Cacique

bump for later


17 posted on 11/30/2008 10:50:37 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...43 percent of Russians believe that Washington’s goal is to destroy Russia”

Wow. I didn’t know that Russia had such a crack problem.


18 posted on 11/30/2008 11:36:07 PM PST by Free Bee
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To: DB

Sorry, but it was not Putin, but Yeltsyn with his US advisers, who destroyed Russian economy and lives of Russians, unleashed gangsterism and terrorism; and US media. www.inosmi.ru with articles from US and European newspapers is popular reading. Putin made life in Russia less disastrous, than Yeltsyn.


19 posted on 12/02/2008 6:42:26 AM PST by Cossak
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