Skip to comments.Update on Barack Obama's Birth Certificate Issue
Posted on 11/30/2008 6:09:20 PM PST by Red Steel
Citizenship Issue on MSNBC Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The parents would be issued a Certification of Live Birth.
This is not proof of where the child was born. It only proves that the parents claimed Hawaii as their main place of residence for the prior year.
British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.
A natural born citizen, would not be a citizen of any other nation than the United States. That is what "natural born" means. By nature, the child, would be only a US citizen, because both of his parents were US citizens, and NO OTHER NATION, can by law claim him to be under their jurisdiction, at the moment of his birth. That was not the case with Obama. He was, by law, a Citizen of the United Kingdom, the moment he was born, and then, by law, he became a citizen of Kenya on Dec. 12, 1963.
For a more detailed explaination of natural born citizen, see my other related video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2kKN...
5-4-3-2-1.....waitng for the naysayers to show up and tell you you’re wasting our efforts.
I’m cheering this on. It might be our salvation from 4 years of BS
IF DA BIRTH PLACE IS A LIE, BEING DA PRESIDENT AIN’T GONNA FLY!
Just my guess. No judge will overturn the election no matter how this turns out. That being said, have fun with this. Remember how long democrats said GWB was selected? Some held on past 2004.
Untill it is proven one way or another, this can only bring an even more devided Nation.
That's an indictment on our judicial system. They won't follow the law that they swore to uphold, pretty sad.
So the Constitution gets thrown out because political correctness over-rules it?
I agree. No matter how compelling a story and regardless of the truth, I can’t see a court overturning the election. (I can wish though...)
I don't see anything in the HRS section that says a BC shall/may be issued to a child born outside of Hawaii stating (erroneously) that the child was born in Hawaii as opposed to listing the actual place of birth.
That is the piece that is missing here...
We’re not asking anybody to overturn the election. We’re just asking that 0 not be permitted *serve* as POTUS if not natural born.
For later, and BUMP.
If the press could get Nixon out they could do the same for the 0.
I also remember how we were ridiculed by staying on top of "Rathergate", and that it would never go anywhere.....
You either play the hand you're dealt, or fold.
he should not be allowed to take office til he can prove he meets all the requirements.
Thanks for presenting this. This case is beginning to grow legs. I can see Obama being declared ineligible.
I have that fear in my gut, as well, but...
Assuming it's clearly established that he's not a natural-born citizen, exactly HOW would a court go about totally ignoring the constitution, which is exactly what must be done if he's allowed to take office? The rule of law would be truly meaningless in the USA.
MM (in TX)
your wasting your efforts.
I guess it doesn’t matter where he was born since his father was a british subject. He could have been born in times square and still not be natural born.
"If you need an original document 'lost',
brown-bag us; your 'pardon' is no extra cost."
Okay, you are not wasting your efforts but just pathing the path for a President Biden.
The adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment obviously affects how we view natural-born citizens because for the first time there is a national rule of who may by birth be a citizen of the United States. Who may be born citizens of the States is conditional upon being born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. The legislative definition of subject to the jurisdiction thereof was defined as Not owing allegiance to anybody else.
One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature - laws the founders recognized and embraced.
Applying for Hawaiian Home Lands
"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."
Department of Hawaiian Home Lands
Link originally found in article from the American Thinker.
COULD Sun Yat-sen, revered by both the People's Republic of China and the Nationalist government on Taiwan, be a son of Hawaii?
There's a birth certificate that says so, but even Sun renounced it in due course. It did, however, help him circumvent the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which became applicable when Hawaii was annexed to the United States in 1898.
The certificate, issued by the Territory of Hawaii in March 1904, declared he had been born in Kula, Maui, where his relatives lived. As a "citizen of Hawaii" he could travel to the U.S. mainland in the early 1900s to rally both support and funds for his revolutionary efforts. Some Chinese friends attested to the birth.
His Punahou teacher, Francis Damon, certified to his good character but did not swear on the issue of birth. Damon is the grandfather of attorney Frank Damon, a major present-day supporter of Punahou.
Sun spent only a semester at Punahou in 1883. He spoke no word of English when he arrived in Hawaii in 1879 at age 13, but four years later received an English grammar prize at Iolani School, personally presented by King Kalakaua.
Sun was a notable first among Asian revolutionaries who used Hawaii to gather strength for their challenges to tyranny back home.
Honolulu Star-Bulletin, March 16, 2000
See linked post above.
Does that mean that we can also count out Bobby Jindal?
But he hasn’t been elected yet.
But if it can be proven that he does not qualify, his presidency will be totally invalid. Surely the Supremes can see this and know that they must act...IF it is proven I don’t see how they can avoid acting even though it will probably bring about civil war.
It would thrill me beyond words should the chosen one be declared ineligble but no judge or justice in this country is going to disqualify the first person to become President through affirmative action.
The media hated Nixon so they had no problem getting him.
They love Obama though.
Thank you, bvw. Interesting post. Hope you don’t mind, here’s a clickable link.
Honolulu Star-Bulletin, March 16, 2000
Big IF. One can wish though...
I don’t mean to spoil the party, it’s fun stuff. Enjoy! keep digging.
The secret to beating Obama will be strategy. Democrats tried the court route for many issues and very few of those worked(mostly terrorist rights). It was Pelosi’s carefully controlled constant ‘attack GWB on issues/news events’ strategy. ‘Carefully controlled’ meaning keeping the ‘impeach Bush’ crowd :Sheenan, Conyers, Dennis Kucinich down.
I am dying to see elected Republicans start thinking politically. Dems do everything political, but well. Our side seems clueless.
Sun Yat Sen was a full man, whose live was lived for others. Obama is an empty suit, all vanity and charm, whose actions are all for himself.
Obama, though, has a virtue -- he is honest in what motivates him. He always says "I will decide ...", "What I think is best ...", "What I will do ...", "My ideas will ..."
Obama is deceptive, but not in in speaking to his "I"-ness.
I am an American who was born overseas and that fact has presented bureaucratic problems for me throughout my life. Everything from getting into school, to being tossed in an INS holding tank to being shaken down at customs at US Airports at least 50 times.
If Obama were born in Kenya he would have had similar problems and those problems would have left a paper trail.
Yeah, well, I guess openness can’t be avoided. Hooray for that clickable link, and what it might draw here.
Has anyone seen these sites today?
The factcheck site is dated 10/23/08 but the page data shows that it was updated today at about 6:00 GMT.
I think they are starting to tapdance around the issue, as I don’t remember these two mouthpieces of Camp Obama addressing the issues of Natural Born Citizenship and renunciation/affirmation of citizenship upon returning from Indonesia...all hypothetical analysis, of course /s.
By starting to spin on these issues, I can’t help but think that this issue is starting to worry them.
Welcome to FR.
your wasting is a sad thing try to eat a little more have some leftover turkey.
I think it is important that someone who is going to be President prove he meets the requirements that constitution states must be met to be president.
Thank you, utahagen. A lot of people on this forum agree with you.
wish i could, i polished it all off yesterday.
Let this birth certificate thing go! Let’s beat him on the issues! /s
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