Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Pentagon hires British scientist to help build robot soldiers that 'won't commit war crimes'
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 5:57PM GMT 30 Nov 2008 | Tim Shipman

Posted on 11/30/2008 7:38:39 PM PST by fontoon

The US Army and Navy have both hired experts in the ethics of building machines to prevent the creation of an amoral Terminator-style killing machine that murders indiscriminately. By 2010 the US will have invested $4 billion in a research programme into "autonomous systems", the military jargon for robots, on the basis that they would not succumb to fear or the desire for vengeance that afflicts frontline soldiers. A British robotics expert has been recruited by the US Navy to advise them on building robots that do not violate the Geneva Conventions. Colin Allen, a scientific philosopher at Indiana University's has just published a book summarising his views entitled Moral Machines: Teaching Robots Right From Wrong. He told The Daily Telegraph: "The question they want answered is whether we can build automated weapons that would conform to the laws of war. Can we use ethical theory to help design these machines?" Pentagon chiefs are concerned by studies of combat stress in Iraq that show high proportions of frontline troops supporting torture and retribution against enemy combatants. Ronald Arkin, a computer scientist at Georgia Tech university, who is working on software for the US Army has written a report which concludes robots, while not "perfectly ethical in the battlefield" can "perform more ethically than human soldiers." He says that robots "do not need to protect themselves" and "they can be designed without emotions that cloud their judgment or result in anger and frustration with ongoing battlefield events".

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dod; miltech; robot
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-58 next last

1 posted on 11/30/2008 7:38:39 PM PST by fontoon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: fontoon

I hope there’s an easy-to-reach switch that can turn that off with a moment’s notice.


2 posted on 11/30/2008 7:41:21 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Obama is bringing in every crook and bumbler he can to assure consistency in his message.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon
"robot soldiers that 'won't commit war crimes'"

Oh Yeah! They answer to a higher standard!

3 posted on 11/30/2008 7:41:25 PM PST by dvan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon

So we would have ‘war crimes’ about as often as we have a malfunction in Windows?


4 posted on 11/30/2008 7:42:36 PM PST by Sharrukin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

No matter how well you can design the logical processes of a robot in telling it what to do and what not do, there will be always be room for error, because humans created them.

I’d rather just keep the humans.


5 posted on 11/30/2008 7:43:22 PM PST by Tears of a Clown (Hunker down)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon
They obviously haven’t seen any of the terminator movies.
6 posted on 11/30/2008 7:44:13 PM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon
Da da da dat datum!
Da da da dat datum!

7 posted on 11/30/2008 7:44:21 PM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon

At least it’s a Brit scientist. If it were French, our robots might start surrendering to the enemy. BTW, will the OS for the robots run on Vista?


8 posted on 11/30/2008 7:44:34 PM PST by max americana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon

Oh, yeah...the Taliban will REALLY appreciate those ROBOTS....(OMG - what a farce)


9 posted on 11/30/2008 7:44:36 PM PST by goodnesswins (CONSERVATIVES....saving America's A** whether you like it or not!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dvan
NSFW but apt
10 posted on 11/30/2008 7:44:44 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your power dry, folks)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: fontoon
Second Variety by Phillip K Dick.
11 posted on 11/30/2008 7:45:13 PM PST by Perdogg (01-20-2013 Obama's last day - If we make it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon

Yeah, well what is their “carbon footprint”, do their cognitive abilities include “hateful” andn “non-inclusive” thoughts, and do they invest only in “socially concious” companies?


12 posted on 11/30/2008 7:46:44 PM PST by EyeGuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon

Reverse engineer goldmine.


13 posted on 11/30/2008 7:46:51 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon

If they program them with liberal ethics we will have doomsday.

Robot soldier: “Compassion analysis code 4B56 initializing. Innocent Muslim insurgent being deprived of violence derived pleasure. Must assist terminate target to maximize adult pleasure. Activating robo penis assault mode system 7E mega bunny!”


14 posted on 11/30/2008 7:48:04 PM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon
Their software would be embedded with rules of engagement conforming with the Geneva Conventions to tell the robot when to open fire.


15 posted on 11/30/2008 7:48:58 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon

You watch sci-fi movies and cringe at how stupid the ‘scientists’ are. Surely no one would be that dumb!

And then you read an article like this.


16 posted on 11/30/2008 7:50:13 PM PST by Sharrukin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon

"You've got to listen to me. Elementary chaos theory tells us that all robots will eventually turn against their masters and run amok in an orgy of blood and kicking and the biting with the metal teeth and the hurting and shoving."

17 posted on 11/30/2008 7:51:25 PM PST by TheWasteLand
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon

What good will they be if the enemy builds their robots and programs them to win and ignore the Geneva Conventions?

Sorry folks, there is no such thing as a Politically Correct War. Hesitating in battle to ponder the Geneva Conventions results in dead soldiers.

Besides, are they sure the use of robots itself doesn’t violate the Geneva Conventions?


18 posted on 11/30/2008 7:51:50 PM PST by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon

They bolted a lawyer onto a soldier’s back?


19 posted on 11/30/2008 7:54:41 PM PST by factoryrat (Better living through American Industrial Might.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fontoon
Isaac Asimov pretty much had it all figured out, but I will add some minor combat amendments:

1- A robot may not injure a (friendly) human being or, through inaction, allow a (friendly) human being to come to harm.

2- A robot must obey orders given to it by (friendly) human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3- A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

20 posted on 11/30/2008 7:54:47 PM PST by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-58 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson