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New Details: 12 Gunmen Kill 8 at Restaurant along Texas Border
KRGV 5 ^ | December 01, 2008

Posted on 12/01/2008 7:34:21 AM PST by SwinneySwitch

Over 40 Murders Reported this Week

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico - New details on a deadly discovery across the border from El Paso. This morning police in Ciudad Juarez say at least 12 masked gun men opened fire inside an upscale seafood restaurant and killed at least eight people. The attack comes a day after seven men were found executed in a school soccer field in an upper class neighborhood in Juarez.

In all, 40 murders were reported over the holiday week along the border near El Paso. Police say the men were armed with AK-47 and fired off more than 100 rounds.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Texas
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No arrests have been made.
1 posted on 12/01/2008 7:34:21 AM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: SwinneySwitch

“No arrests have been made.”

Wouldn’t expect it either, considering the federales are in the game.


2 posted on 12/01/2008 7:38:25 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gloucester County, VA -- Standing for America! 63% for McCain-Palin on 4 Nov)
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To: SwinneySwitch

In our war against terror, it seems we are totally ignoring the carnage that is happening along the Mexican border. All of this is over drugs. Mexico has lost control and the US is just sitting idly by.


3 posted on 12/01/2008 7:39:09 AM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

“All of this is over drugs. Mexico has lost control and the US is just sitting idly by”

And we still can’t get that damn fence finished.


4 posted on 12/01/2008 7:39:51 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gloucester County, VA -- Standing for America! 63% for McCain-Palin on 4 Nov)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Yesterday 9 de-captitated bodies were found in Tijuana.


5 posted on 12/01/2008 7:40:14 AM PST by AU72
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To: SwinneySwitch

Celibrate Diversity! All cultures are equal!


6 posted on 12/01/2008 7:40:44 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: BellStar; bayouranger; stan_sipple; time4good; Guenevere; mugsaway; CSM; calcowgirl; ...

Juarez ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


7 posted on 12/01/2008 7:41:38 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (ObamaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

bttt


8 posted on 12/01/2008 7:42:08 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Police say the men were armed with AK-47 ................. Mexican National Army equipment? Doubt it, possible Chavez connection? Could be. He’s building a factory to make them, I don’t think they’ll be for Venezuela’s defense.


9 posted on 12/01/2008 7:42:12 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Liberals fear the return of Mrs Cleaver.)
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To: ScottinVA

Until we play by the same rules as the drug cartels,
they have the advantage in this war.

10 posted on 12/01/2008 7:42:20 AM PST by Loud Mime (We're not hateful. We respect traditional marriage - which our opponents HATE)
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To: SwinneySwitch; llmc1; Virginia Ridgerunner; texastoo; jan in Colorado; wolfcreek; Brandie; ...

Friday night CBS evening news was reporting on the war zone that Mexico has become. They said on any given weekend the murders outnumber the deaths in Iraq and ‘this is a country on our border’...

Here’s the video report from CBS about the threat that is Mexico.

Insecurity In Instability

“The Obama Administration will have its work cut out for it in the foreign policy department, but this time it’s not the usual suspects stirring the pot. Bob Orr has more.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4638273n


11 posted on 12/01/2008 7:45:38 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Note to self: Take Mexico of this years winter vacation list.


12 posted on 12/01/2008 7:46:02 AM PST by SouthDixie (We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly.)
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To: ScottinVA

it’s because with the bad economy, all the illegal day laborers have gone back to their homes in central america!


13 posted on 12/01/2008 7:48:03 AM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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To: SouthDixie

Oops *off


14 posted on 12/01/2008 7:49:02 AM PST by SouthDixie (We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly.)
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To: SouthDixie

Wonder how the bookings are for Ixtapa this winter ?


15 posted on 12/01/2008 7:57:22 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Balding_Eagle
Celebrate Diversity!


16 posted on 12/01/2008 7:57:35 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (ObamaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Long ago guys in my Army unit (a medical unit) used to tell me that when they were doing AIT at Fort Sam Houston they used to go to a place just across the border called “Boys’ Town”.Some of the stories they told were pretty scary even back then.This story and my buddies’ stories are just more reasons why I've never set foot in Mexico and never will.
17 posted on 12/01/2008 8:27:36 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bin ein beginner")
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To: SwinneySwitch

You have two huge drug cartels in Mexico. They have taken over the Columbian drug trade. They have large groups of paid swat teams that are X Mexican Cops. (Hint, drugs pay more.) Those cops were trained at Ft. Benning. So you have lots of drugs, lots of money and lots of professional enforcement. They LIKE to kill by the way.

They now have invaded most major Cities in the U.S. They use the Mexican gange like M-13 to sell their drugs. We have already lost U.S. towns in Texas to these gangs.


18 posted on 12/01/2008 8:33:56 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: SouthDixie

It’s been decades since we’ve been to Mexico. Just too dangerous. Some spillage over to this side of the border, which of course is very worrisome.


19 posted on 12/01/2008 8:38:11 AM PST by voiceinthewind
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Oh, I haven’t been there for years. It used to be a wonderful spot. I wonder if it still is.


20 posted on 12/01/2008 8:40:49 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: AU72; AuntB
Tijuana is surreal these days. I saw an article here on FR over the weekend that said there were 300 of these drug related killings there since September with over 4000 nationwide this year. That so little press exists is amazing--I guess not when one considers the corrupt state of the MSM. *sigh*
21 posted on 12/01/2008 8:41:57 AM PST by eureka!
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To: brytlea
I've heard there are a lot more hotels and the shopping area across from the hotels has greatly enlarged.
We use to go down for a week in Dec/Jan and it was a nice, low cost place to enjoy the sun and sleep under a thatched roof cabana.
22 posted on 12/01/2008 8:44:30 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SwinneySwitch

The thing that gets me, and what seems to be the glaring Elephant-in-the-Room, is the river of unaccounted for money from the drug trade. We’re pretty sure it’s corrupting the Mexican gov’t. Any ideas how its corrupting ours, for it surely must be. It would be a given that law enforcement is being bought off. How would it extend into the political arena? Killing projects that might actually fight the drug traffic?
My brother was a cop back in the ‘70s and told me about a plan two New York cops had to end the drug trade at half the cost of drug war : simply buy up the entire world’s supply. Even with jacking the prices up, the drug prices would get to be too high for the distribution network to support and we’d have a true market value. Then all the dope-heads would have to clean up. Maybe that’s too simplistic. Probably so.


23 posted on 12/01/2008 8:47:20 AM PST by CalConFSE (New to this. Tell me if I'm boning it.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Mexico has banned guns. Okenyan’s thugs will make us safe like Mexican citizens are safe.


24 posted on 12/01/2008 8:53:49 AM PST by pallis
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

My inlaws had a condo there back in the 80s. We got to go several times, it was a great spot. I doubt I would feel as comfortable there now, but it was a super place for an inexpensive vacation. It was funny because we barely spoke Spanish, and at least back then most of the tourists were not American (mostly wealthy Mexicans) and so we could go days without hearing any English! But, we managed very well in spite of it.


25 posted on 12/01/2008 8:54:29 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: brytlea
I speak high school Spanish (not very well) but always got along well anywhere we went. We flew Mexicana once from Mexico city to Ixtapa and the flight attendants fired champagne corks down the isle and pour drinks for everybody on the plane. There were about a dozen half-used bottles left when we arrived and we were allowed to take the bottle and little plastic champagne glass off the plane when we arrived.
Our best flying experience was Huatulco to Oaxaca in an Air Liberdat DC-3. Very well maintained craft but we flew very low and slow, through the mountain passes rather than over them.
26 posted on 12/01/2008 9:01:32 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
In our war against terror, it seems we are totally ignoring the carnage that is happening along the Mexican border.

Could be we let them fight among themselves than take on those left standing!

27 posted on 12/01/2008 9:09:48 AM PST by BellStar ( Is Barack Obama A Marxist Mole?)
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To: CalConFSE

We’re pretty sure it’s corrupting the Mexican gov’t. And factions of our Gov to be sure.


28 posted on 12/01/2008 9:11:06 AM PST by BellStar ( Is Barack Obama A Marxist Mole?)
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To: AuntB

Wake Up America!!

Be Ever Vigilant!!


29 posted on 12/01/2008 9:29:52 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Loud Mime

I just started reading “No country for old men.” Chilling!


30 posted on 12/01/2008 9:36:50 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: eureka!
It isn't staying in Tijuana. My son speaks fluent Spanish and did most of the real estate business in a Spanish speaking office with mostly Spanish speaking customers. Last February, a couple people he knew pulled up in his condo parking lot. They were blocked in by some Mexican mafia types. The driver was shot 100 feet from my son's front door. The passenger was beaten and dropped off about a mile away. The really bad news is that it was mistaken identity. The guy who was killed was not the intended target. It's bad news and getting worse.
31 posted on 12/01/2008 9:39:10 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
it’s because with the bad economy, all the illegal day laborers have gone back to their homes in central america!

Yeah..........riiiiiggghhht!!

32 posted on 12/01/2008 9:39:35 AM PST by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: Myrddin

Understood and agreed. Although you did not say where that shooting occurred, these thugs will cross the border as need be to protect their trade/take out the competition. The sheer numbers and silence of the press is hard to fathom. And it seems only to be getting worse...


33 posted on 12/01/2008 9:56:03 AM PST by eureka!
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To: Myrddin

What city was this in, Myrddin?


34 posted on 12/01/2008 10:02:26 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: eureka!; AuntB
The shooting occurred in the Eastlake community of Chula Vista. It's about 10 miles north of Tijuana.
35 posted on 12/01/2008 10:06:56 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"We flew Mexicana once from Mexico city..."

Ditto: Mexicana and Aeromexico have always been outstanding on service, and a pleasure to fly. Now, the baggage handlers and airport crew, that's a different matter. I was once bumped up to 1st Class (billionaire class) on a Mexicana flight from Mexico City to Guadalajara, and nothing before or since could possibly compare to it.

36 posted on 12/01/2008 10:09:38 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: AuntB
Here is a link to the story about the shooting. I read the article before traveling down to San Diego to pick my son up on Feb 14th. The incident occurred on Feb 7th. The picture is more relevant to me after physically visiting the location. The photographer's point of view was near the foot of the steps leading up to my son's condo unit.
37 posted on 12/01/2008 10:13:03 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Gay State Conservative

I think many of the border towns are now off limits to US military personnel. Boys Town in Acuna was on the list.


38 posted on 12/01/2008 10:13:37 AM PST by voiceinthewind
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To: CalConFSE
My brother was a cop back in the ‘70s and told me about a plan two New York cops had to end the drug trade at half the cost of drug war : simply buy up the entire world’s supply.

My plan would have been simpler: have some undercover agents acting as wholesale suppliers. After building up volume, introduce shipments cut with some slow-acting toxic substance (polonium sounds right).

39 posted on 12/01/2008 10:16:58 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: Myrddin

Thanks, I know Chula Vista. I spent 11 years in San Diego (1982 — 1993) and made many day trips to Tijuana, Rosarita Beach and Ensenada which makes these articles all the more impactful.


40 posted on 12/01/2008 10:18:21 AM PST by eureka!
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To: SwinneySwitch
According to government reports, Mexican drug trafficking organizations are grossing about 13.8 billion dollars a year, with more than 8 billion dollars of that just being from marijuana sales. The rest comes from sales of a variety of different drugs, with cocaine being the main one. Of course they are only middlemen in the cocaine trade, so a considerable amount of their gross on cocaine is going to the Colombians or whoever they buy it from and whoever they pay to smuggle it into Mexico before they move it into the United States. Anyway, they are doing many billions of dollars worth of business every year. It can't be stopped. The government might be able to take out some of the violent actors and quell some of the violence, but there is no stopping a multibilliion dollar business. Look at Colombia. They used to have horrible drug trade related violence back in the days of Pablo Escobar. Escobar was killed and they went after a lot of the other thugs. The violence has largely subsided and Colombia has become a not so bad place to live or visit. Colombian drug trafficking organizations are still selling more cocaine than ever though, just without the out of control violence. Realistically, I think that's the best we can hope for in Mexico.
41 posted on 12/01/2008 10:25:57 AM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: PUGACHEV

Our Mexicana flight to Ixtapa was late leaving Mexico City just before Christmas some years ago. The pilot apologized in Spanish and in English and then added to make amends, he would conduct us to a special tour of the smoky volcano just outside the capitol. He took the big 727 jet almost sideways into the cone...we could smell the sulfur coming up. Then he kicked the jets open and we shot up and out of MC airspace. I thought my wife was going to scream. Our son, aged about 12 at the time, loved it.


42 posted on 12/01/2008 10:27:54 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: eureka!
I grew up in Chula Vista...with the exception of some time in Hawaii, Washington state and Virginia as my family moved to suit my dad's Navy career. It's nothing like the city I knew when I was young. The "Eastlake" area was open land that was outstanding for off road riding. I lived there continuously from 1969 to 1983 when I moved north to Mira Mesa. In 2001, I moved to Idaho.
43 posted on 12/01/2008 10:33:01 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: SwinneySwitch

The Mexican government seems to be so hopelessly corrupt that the only way out of this is the legalization of drugs. This would take a severe toll on their society, but at this point, it would be better than the status quo.


44 posted on 12/01/2008 10:43:52 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: eureka!
TJ was an interesting place. If you could get past the tourist part, the donkey with the zebra stripes sprayed painted on, for example, and make it over the hill to the Pacific ocean side, life could be very pleasant, and cheap. Back in the early ‘90s when I was going to Mexico a lot, I seriously considered basing my business in San Diego, and living in TJ. With the border open 24 hrs, and passage back and forth a pretty casual affair back in those days, it seemed like a clever idea.
45 posted on 12/01/2008 10:49:01 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: Myrddin

Yep. As with all, things and places change and not always for the better. Keep the memories...


46 posted on 12/01/2008 10:53:21 AM PST by eureka!
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To: PUGACHEV

Re#45 There were a number of commuters like that as I recall when I was down there about the same time. Today, I wouldn’t cross the border for any reason.


47 posted on 12/01/2008 10:55:17 AM PST by eureka!
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
In our war against terror, it seems we are totally ignoring the carnage that is happening along the Mexican border.

Not to worry, after the 20th of next month when the borders are thrown wide open as payback for all those political donations, we'll be trying to ignore all the carnage going on right here.

48 posted on 12/01/2008 11:26:10 AM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: Aquinasfan
“The Mexican government seems to be so hopelessly corrupt that the only way out of this is the legalization of drugs.”

I don't think that's necessary. The ONDCP recently put out some estimates on how much Mexican Drug Trafficking Organizations are making selling drugs to Americans. They estimate total revenues are $13.8 billion. They estimate that about $8.6 billion of that, close to 62%, is coming from marijuana alone. They say about $3.9 billion comes from cocaine, about $1 billion from meth, and less than $400 million comes from heroin sales. These are total revenues, not net profits. Marijuana is the biggest money maker for Mexican drug trafficking organizations. They bring in less than half as much from cocaine, and they're just the middlemen for cocaine. They produce the marijuana they sell. They have to buy the cocaine and import it so they don't make all the profits like they do on marijuana. If marijuana sales represent 62% of their revenues from providing drugs to Americans, then marijuana sales should account for a good bit more than 62% of their actual net profits because they make all the money from marijuana since they produce it and are not just the middlemen like they are with cocaine. If we just legalized marijuana, we'd deprive them of most of their income.

Not only would legalizing marijuana kill Mexican drug trafficking organizations cash cow, but it would make it harder for them to move their cocaine and meth and heroin too. Americans consume more marijuana than all other illegal drugs combined. The existing distribution networks for marijuana are massive and reach every corner of America. These existing distribution networks make perfect conduits through which to move other drugs, and that's exactly what Mexican drug trafficking organizations do. They use the same people to smuggle it in. They use the same people to transport it around the country. They try to move as much of their cocaine and other drugs as they can through the same people buying up their marijuana, and so often this is how their cocaine and meth and whatnot makes it to the street level dealer who is selling marijuana. If we legalized marijuana, those existing black market pipelines for marijuana distribution would disappear, and it would make it a lot harder for Mexican drug trafficking organizations to move their cocaine, meth, and heroin. In fact, the Colombians might just stop letting the Mexican control cocaine distribution in the U.S. because without the huge existing distribution networks for Mexican marijuana the Mexicans won't be in much of a better position to move Colombian cocaine than the Colombians themselves. Then the Mexican drug trafficking revenue would drop from $13.8 billion to less than $1.5 billion.

We don't need to legalize all drugs. Legalizing marijuana alone would reduce Mexican drug trafficking organizations to a shell of what they are today. They'd be deprived of the lion's share of their profits and their main pipelines for moving the hard stuff would fall apart.

49 posted on 12/01/2008 11:28:38 AM PST by SmallGovRepub
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To: CalConFSE

Like $100 million to buy off environmental groups to support growing marijuana in our national parks?

There was thread on it on FR a week or two ago.


50 posted on 12/01/2008 11:31:24 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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