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Smoke Bomb Goes Off in Phoenix Hotel - Weapons Found
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2008/11/30/smoke-bomb-goes-off-in-hilton-hotel-weapons-found-phoenix/ ^ | 11/30/08

Posted on 12/01/2008 7:49:39 AM PST by Sammy67

This is an incident report and there is no information indicating that it is terrorism related. Additional details will be provided as they become available.

Guests were evacuated Sunday night when a smoke bomb went off on the fourth floor of the Hilton Garden Inn, 1940 W. Pinnacle Peak Road in northwest Phoenix.

Officials found other weapons in the room where

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KEYWORDS: crime; hilton; homelandsecurity; hotel; phoenixarizonia; police; weapons; wot
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1 posted on 12/01/2008 7:49:40 AM PST by Sammy67
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To: Sammy67

OTHER weapons?

Are smoke-bombs considered weapons?


2 posted on 12/01/2008 7:53:11 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Sammy67
Guests were evacuated Sunday night when a smoke bomb went off

This could have been me as a kid. I was a lab assistant for a chemistry class and had access to all the chemicals. Of course, I liked to experiment.....

It's amazing I am still alive.

3 posted on 12/01/2008 7:54:31 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mlocher

Fourth floor room in an upscale business hotel, is an odd place to be doing chemistry experiments.


4 posted on 12/01/2008 7:57:12 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (PALIN 2012: No more RINOS... Ever!!)
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To: Sammy67

Could be test...Maybe...or just Y2Kapocalypticnukewinter people wanting to stay someplace with hot water and room service.


5 posted on 12/01/2008 7:58:01 AM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: mlocher

The article said guns and bullets were also found in the room.. seems officials are quick to say that it was not terror related...this always is the case..


6 posted on 12/01/2008 7:58:46 AM PST by JoanneSD (illegals represented without taxation.. Americans taxed without representation)
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To: mlocher

I once caused my High School to be evacuated. VERY hot sulfur in the heating/ventilation system causes unpleasant fumes.

I was also once responsible for the evacuation of an entire dormitory at Virginia Tech. The lighting/detonation of a single string of 1000 lady-finger fire crackers in a dorm room makes an ENORMOUS amount of smoke... certainly MORE than enough to set off smoke detectors.

This was in the days before “blind panic” became the emotion of the day, though.


7 posted on 12/01/2008 8:00:34 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: JoanneSD

Well, “they” would find “guns and bullets” in ANY hotel/motel room I am staying in, IF they searched it.

That DOESN’T make me a terrorist.

PS - I’m not so much in to smoke bombs now; but back in the day...


8 posted on 12/01/2008 8:02:50 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WayneS

You and I could have been best friends!


9 posted on 12/01/2008 8:07:03 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: WayneS
D sized rocket engines down a dorm hallway have the same effect.

*Note that the fire doors at the end do not make a very good backstop.

10 posted on 12/01/2008 8:07:58 AM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: JoanneSD
The article said guns and bullets were also found in the room.. seems officials are quick to say that it was not terror related...this always is the case..

I hear you!Not enough info in the article to draw any conclusions. People have a legitimate right to have guns and ammo in their hotel rooms. But we also know that our officials will say just about anything to keep the peace and faith in our system.

11 posted on 12/01/2008 8:09:17 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: WayneS
I once caused my High School to be evacuated.

LOL...I set off the fire sprinklers, flooded the whole bottom floor ;^)

12 posted on 12/01/2008 8:12:15 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (When homo's can procreate - then they can get married)
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To: Sammy67

This hotel is not far from where those Muslims were caught a week or two ago firing guns.


13 posted on 12/01/2008 8:13:47 AM PST by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: mlocher

It sounds like it.

Even though my “exlosion-making” is less frequent than it used to be, I still succumb to the “old ways” now and again.

On Thanksgiving day I amazed and impressed my 7-year old son when, in less than five minutes, I constructed a fully operational “cannon” using only a few empty green bean cans, a can opener and some duct tape. With a little naptha-based lighter fluid and one of his foam rubber balls, we were able to make quite a racket.

Repeated loud “booms” echoing through the trees next to our house provided fine entertainment as we waited for the turkey to finish cooking.


14 posted on 12/01/2008 8:13:54 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: mlocher
This could have been me as a kid. I was a lab assistant for a chemistry class and had access to all the chemicals. Of course, I liked to experiment.....

It's amazing I am still alive.


We are kindred spirits.

60% confectioners sugar, 40% salt peter. Blend well with Vaseline until sticky. A loosely filled Campbell's soup can with several 1/8" holes will make enough smoke to hide a battle ship.

But the principle knew it was me. ;-)
15 posted on 12/01/2008 8:14:43 AM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: WayneS
On Thanksgiving day I amazed and impressed my 7-year old son when, in less than five minutes, I constructed a fully operational “cannon” using only a few empty green bean cans, a can opener and some duct tape. With a little naptha-based lighter fluid and one of his foam rubber balls, we were able to make quite a racket.

You are bring tears to my eyes! My brother and I used to make these cannons and shoot tennis balls at each other. Smashing up model cars was pretty fun too!

16 posted on 12/01/2008 8:17:06 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: JoanneSD

This is always the case?

Prior to 9/11 there was a very active violent criminal element here.....They didn’t go away....

The bulk of crime isn’t terrorist activity.....

That stated, the authorities (especially right after 9/11) were way to quick to state (even before facts were in) that the cause was not terrorist related.

But to make a blanket statement like yours or to see a terrorist under every bed is just as irresponsible as the authorities after 9/11.


17 posted on 12/01/2008 8:18:04 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: Islander7
But the principle knew it was me. ;-)

Those of us with a reputation!

I occasionally made what we called contact explosives that were similar to large caps. If I recall, we would put solid iodine in a filter paper and then pour amonia in it. The wet iodine on the filter paper would be torn up into small pieces and left to dry. The next day we would litter them in the halls at school. They went off each time someone stepped on them.

Earlier I said it was amazing I was still alive. No, I never came that close to killing myself with chemicals. However, the class bullies and football players did not always like my tricks.

18 posted on 12/01/2008 8:21:12 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Deaf Smith

I actually used to glued small balsa-wood fins directly to the engine to try to get some modicum of stability... with mixed results.

And I probably shouldn’t even tell about the “war-head” I once launched from Mom and Dad’s back-yard around dusk. With a hollow plastic nose cone filled with home-made gunpowder and glued to the rocket body, the “parachute ejection” charge on the rocket engine served as the ignition system. It didn’t go very high because of the weight of the powder but golly-gee what a BOOM and what a FLASH. That one brought out about 8 police cars and a helicopter. They even went door-to-door asking people about it. Fortunately, Mom’s response was: “What explosion?”.


19 posted on 12/01/2008 8:21:49 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WayneS
I once caused my High School to be evacuated. VERY hot sulfur in the heating/ventilation system causes unpleasant fumes.

I once caused my High School to be evacuated. Dead coyote placed under a trash barrel next to the air conditioning intake causes unpleasant fumes.

AND, I once made a remark in a HS chemistry class which the self-proclaimed school genius took seriously. He blew up the lab and we both had to write a 5,000 word essay of fire prevention.

Those were the days.

20 posted on 12/01/2008 8:25:52 AM PST by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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To: JoanneSD
...guns and bullets were also found in the room

Not Guns 'n Roses?..................

21 posted on 12/01/2008 8:27:40 AM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: Islander7

Where the hell can you get saltpeter these days?

Now that i think about it, a few smokes would be pretty handy to keep around. Does anyone know if civilians can own smoke grenades?


22 posted on 12/01/2008 8:28:04 AM PST by papertyger
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To: mlocher

In Jr. High School I duct-taped a “tennis ball cannon” to the plastic stock from an NJROTC drill rifle and made a quite effective and “aimable” weapon out of it.

In the days of straight-sided, steel soda cans with welded/soldered seams, the tennis ball just fit PERFECTLY.

Unfortunately it is very hard to find that type of can in the correct size any more. When you do find a straight-sided steel can, it is usually a bit larger (or smaller) in diameter than a tennis ball (that is why we had to use an odd-sized foam ball with the “bean can cannon”).


23 posted on 12/01/2008 8:29:40 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: papertyger

Most pharmacies still carry it. It’s not as cheap as it used to be.


24 posted on 12/01/2008 8:30:18 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: mlocher

“...However, the class bullies and football players did not always like my tricks...”

We were nerds before there were nerds.

I put a small amount hydrochloric acid in test tube and covered the end with a balloon. I suspended it over a small beaker of iron sulfide. About an hour later, poof! Hydrogen sulfide gas stinks! It wasn’t enough to hurt anyone, but we got two days out of school! I was sweating that stunt.

Man, how I loved science lab!


25 posted on 12/01/2008 8:30:22 AM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: WayneS; mlocher
I once caused my High School to be evacuated. VERY hot sulfur in the heating/ventilation system causes unpleasant fumes.

My personal favorite was butyric acid in the HS air conditioning system. Of course this was AFTER you left the building for the day (Had a set of campus buildings).

26 posted on 12/01/2008 8:33:08 AM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: nevergore

You mean there ISN’T a terrorist under every bed?


27 posted on 12/01/2008 8:34:33 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: papertyger
Now that i think about it, a few smokes would be pretty handy to keep around. Does anyone know if civilians can own smoke grenades?

Sure are. Unless you live in a nazi state like Massachusetts or Illinois probably.

28 posted on 12/01/2008 8:35:30 AM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: WayneS
With a little naptha-based lighter fluid and one of his foam rubber balls, we were able to make quite a racket.

Double Pringles can launchers and tennis balls down a 75 foot hall. Tried to grab them with a catcher's mitt. Those things were lethal.

29 posted on 12/01/2008 8:35:58 AM PST by Skid Marx
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To: nevergore

The authorities pretty much always DO say it wasn’t terror related. In most cases they are correct, but they do seem to say that before they could know it’s the case.


30 posted on 12/01/2008 8:37:11 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: Sammy67

Who were the Suns playing?


31 posted on 12/01/2008 8:37:29 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: JoanneSD
The article said guns and bullets were also found in the room.. seems officials are quick to say that it was not terror related...this always is the case....

. . . there is no information indicating that it is terrorism related. [emphasis added]

Am I the only one on FR who understands the difference?
32 posted on 12/01/2008 8:37:39 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: papertyger
Cheap-Chemicals.com

You can usually get small amounts at a drug store, but it is very expensive. This site has it for $6.55 a lb. You will need to mill it to a very fine powder.

Smoke Bomb

Adding a little Vaseline slows the burning time and increases smoke production. A little dab will do ya!

Potassium nitrate "sugar" propellant latest target of ATF scrutiny

PAULLINA, Iowa USA — So you thought all along that experimental and amateur rocketry endeavors were safe from the ever-outstretching arms of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), right? Think again. An amateur rocketeer in Paullina, Iowa has found out otherwise.

Scott Fintel, a champion of potassium nitrate rocket motors, more commonly known as "sugar" propellant, has found out that the experimental formulation is considered within the scope of explosive mixtures the ATF has included in their "List of Explosive Materials," a list mandated by Congress that the director of the ATF must publish and revise at least once per year.

Fintel has maintained a well documented web site in addition to an online discussion forum for the purposes of sharing his success and failures experimenting with the potassium nitrate formulation. Like ammonium perchlorate composite propellant (APCP), potassium nitrate composite propellant is a fast burning solid but not generally considered by users to be an explosive.

-------- snip

Be careful!
33 posted on 12/01/2008 8:43:43 AM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: Zakeet
AND, I once made a remark in a HS chemistry class which the self-proclaimed school genius took seriously.

Hell, I made a thermite flare and got the teacher to light it in the sink. Burned clean through the porcelain crucible and burned a hole in the granite. It was great.

34 posted on 12/01/2008 8:45:16 AM PST by Skid Marx
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To: Islander7
My German teacher was also a chemistry teacher. She was always incessantly pacing around the room. One day I spiced up the German class by sprinkling bits of wet contact explosive on the floor. As the class progressed, the little spots dried. Her pacing started making little pops. She caught on quickly and had the whole class walk to the front of the room to pick up some soon to be discarded German textbooks. The floor was crackling like a giant bowl of Rice Crispies. I made sure the "bits" were just enough to pop and not enough to cause any problems.
35 posted on 12/01/2008 8:45:18 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Skid Marx
My chemistry class collected red rust and clipped aluminum cans into fine chunks. Our thermite reaction was initiated on top of a sand surface with a little commercial grade thermite and a magnesium ribbon. The blob of steel that resulted was about the size of your fist. The amount of commercial grade thermite used was about a teaspoon of powder. The rest of the material was from the collected rust/aluminum cans. We knew what was going to happen before it was initiated, thus the sand box surface.

Years later, the same chemistry teacher made a little potassium perchlorate and sugar to create the classic purple volcano. That didn't turn out well. It detonated and blew off the edge of the lab table.

36 posted on 12/01/2008 8:52:39 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: papertyger

a quick look in a search engine and I found:

http://www.cheap-chemicals.com

carries it. I haven’t bought from them....


37 posted on 12/01/2008 8:57:31 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Election 2010 begins today!)
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To: Sammy67

But it’s not terrorism related. Nosirree bob.

It never is.


38 posted on 12/01/2008 8:57:51 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: WayneS; mlocher

“You and I could have been best friends!”

Ditto, although WayneS was definitely crazier than I was/am.


39 posted on 12/01/2008 8:59:17 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Comrade, can you spare a crust of bread?)
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To: TexasRepublic

I’m glad you said WAS...

...my therapist says I am doing VERY well...

;^)


40 posted on 12/01/2008 9:04:32 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Sammy67

Must be those radical Amish again.


41 posted on 12/01/2008 9:07:00 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: WayneS

My schtick was big-assed slingshots that could hurl a pint-sized water balloon 100+ yards. There were many unexplained mysteries around the campus. That’s all I will say on the matter....


42 posted on 12/01/2008 9:11:38 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Comrade, can you spare a crust of bread?)
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To: mlocher
You and I could have been best friends!

Or cellmates! :)

43 posted on 12/01/2008 9:27:22 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (I refuse allegiance to any foreign born alleged president.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
Or cellmates! :)

LOL!!! Based on your name, I am guessing you know how far to push the envelope!

44 posted on 12/01/2008 9:29:45 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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LOL!!! Based on your name, I am guessing you know how far to push the envelope!

Golly, if they had popped me for all the misdeeds I perpetrated when I was a kid, I would be getting out of Juvee about now (and I'm a 60 year old retired high school teacher with a reputation for stodgyness).

45 posted on 12/01/2008 9:34:15 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (I refuse allegiance to any foreign born alleged president.)
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To: Islander7
My father had an industrial chemical supply business so we frequently had stuff in our garage that OSHA would have had a problem with. Combine that with a friend's reloading supplies and items we would lift from the high school chem lab and youthful exhuberance...

We had a wonderfully eroded bluff over a river on our property (far enough from the house to avoid parental observation) that we had horizontally driven two metal fence posts with a sheet of steel welded to as a shelf. We'd top rope down to it and place various baby food jars inside mayonaisse jars, cans, etc. We'd then go across the river and shoot the containers to mix the compounds. Fires, explosions, toxic clouds, and improved marksmanship were the result! A .22 would be good for most things but the day we blew the shelf free we were safety conscious. We had simply backed up further and increased our caliber!
46 posted on 12/01/2008 9:35:15 AM PST by philled ("I prefer messy democracy to the stability of tyrants." -- Howar Ziad, Iraqi Ambassador to Canada)
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To: Myrddin
This was actually a 'legit' project. The teacher supplied the rusted steel, It was up to us to recycle it. Everyone in the class had a different method. I spent a couple of days with a smooth file and an aluminum bar, because I'm a knucklehead. The teacher reminded me that aluminum was more expensive per unit than iron, but he had to demonstrate it anyway, even though he knew what would happen. It was irresistible. You'd understand. Had about a pound of finely grained product, used maybe half of it. Also used mag. ribbon to light it directly. The results flared to the ceiling and spalled all over the place. My friend Bill's method used HCl and limestone granules, it blew up in his face.
47 posted on 12/01/2008 10:20:28 AM PST by Skid Marx
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To: Skid Marx
Fine aluminum dust and fine iron dust are typically employed to make flash powder. The iron makes a yellow colored shower of sparks. Aluminum tends to bright white. It's not surprising that you ended up with a "flare" instead of the typical smoldering, smoking blob of a thermite reaction. A little strontium nitrate makes for a red color. That's what is used in road flares. Once upon a time, I was a bit more fluent in which compounds produce specific colors.
48 posted on 12/01/2008 10:38:57 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: WayneS; mlocher

When we were 10, my buddies and I ordered 2 books out of a back of a boyscout magazine entitled:

1) Improvised Munitions, and
2) Boobytraps & Incindiary Devices

Within a week we had made 2 batches of napalm (1 using styrofoam, the other using lye), a crude claymore landmine, a bazooka, and some other nifty gadgets...the coolest of which was an improvised gasoline-filled supersoaker (squirtgun), outfitted with a wooden dowel & zippo lighter. Sure, our flamethrower only lasted for a few minutes, but man, the neighborhood bullies sure respected our block after that incident.

I even wrote a fictional book based loosely on that incident, 20 years after the fact: three “inventive” kids take on Islamic terrorists bent on finding/destroying the Holy Grail. If there are any literary agents out there, send me some freepmail! :)


49 posted on 12/01/2008 11:13:41 AM PST by mills044 (Spread the truth via music! www.patriotmusiconline.com)
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To: philled

Red Devil Lye in a 2 liter coke bottle, about 1/3 full, add 5 - 12 X 12 sheets of aluminum foil crumpled up to fix down the top of the bottle. Results: Pure hydrogen gas (and a lot of heat too!)

I’d stretch a surplus weather balloon over the bottle and the pressure would fill it. Attach a 12” aluminum pie tin to the balloon and you’ll get radar confirmed UFO reports on the 10pm news!

Good Lord - that was 1966, back when a kid could have fun without causing a national security crisis.


50 posted on 12/01/2008 11:44:19 AM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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