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Pentagon to Detail Troops to Bolster Domestic Security
Washington Post ^ | Monday, December 1, 2008 | Spencer S. Hsu and Ann Scott Tyson

Posted on 12/01/2008 7:52:18 AM PST by Historix

The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.

The long-planned shift in the Defense Department's role in homeland security was recently backed with funding and troop commitments after years of prodding by Congress and outside experts, defense analysts said.

There are critics of the change, in the military and among civil liberties groups and libertarians who express concern that the new homeland emphasis threatens to strain the military and possibly undermine the Posse Comitatus Act, a 130-year-old federal law restricting the military's role in domestic law enforcement.

But the Bush administration and some in Congress have pushed for a heightened homeland military role since the middle of this decade, saying the greatest domestic threat is terrorists exploiting the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, dedicating 20,000 troops to domestic response -- a nearly sevenfold increase in five years -- "would have been extraordinary to the point of unbelievable," Paul McHale, assistant defense secretary for homeland defense, said in remarks last month at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. But the realization that civilian authorities may be overwhelmed in a catastrophe prompted "a fundamental change in military culture," he said.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; civiliantroops; dod; homelandsecurity; immigration; possecomitatus
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To: HollyB
And this is why I shuddered when Bush created the Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act.

Thanks to all the short-sighted "conservatives" who may well find themselves being branded domestic terrorists by the marxist government scheduled to be sworn in January 20,2009.

21 posted on 12/01/2008 8:24:17 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: Scythian
It would seem President Bush gave Obama all of the tools he will need, it hardly seems by chance.

It is getting into tinfoil territory....
22 posted on 12/01/2008 8:24:52 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: JimRed

What crimes are these home forces going to fight?


23 posted on 12/01/2008 8:26:41 AM PST by bmwcyle (McCain had no honor when he failed to defend Sarah Palin, Leno was not enough)
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To: af_vet_rr

It is not “tinfoil” to distrust federal use of the military for police enforcment purposes....that is unless you want to call Jefferson, Paine, and Adams “tinfoil.”


24 posted on 12/01/2008 8:30:17 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Historix

All I can say is:

Look at my tagline.


25 posted on 12/01/2008 8:31:50 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: bmwcyle

“What crimes are these home forces going to fight?”

Bill Ayers seriously planned camps for 25 million resistant to his version of “hope” and “change.” What do you think?


26 posted on 12/01/2008 8:33:22 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: hoosierham
Thanks to all the short-sighted "conservatives" who may well find themselves being branded domestic terrorists by the marxist government scheduled to be sworn in January 20,2009.

Funny how that works out. Those "conservatives" had all kinds of names for us when we were saying "hey, before we start passing a bunch of stuff in the name of "homeland security", maybe we ought to think about what would happen if a Democrat gets into office, and gets a Democratic Congress as well.".
27 posted on 12/01/2008 8:35:12 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: MeanWestTexan
I had my thought about storm troopers but I was asking the poster who had to tin foil hat someone else. Is America so dangerous (except for our inner cities that we don't have to visit) that we need troops with guns and tanks running down our streets?
28 posted on 12/01/2008 8:36:10 AM PST by bmwcyle (McCain had no honor when he failed to defend Sarah Palin, Leno was not enough)
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To: Captain Kirk

You are correct, but unfortunately the Bush supporters will see anybody who questions this as a tinfoil wearing something-rather, and they will do their best to defend his decisions.


29 posted on 12/01/2008 8:36:26 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr; bang_list
Sounds like BHO has been reading the Banglist and other pro-2nd Amendment forums lately and is preparing for the worst.
30 posted on 12/01/2008 8:36:48 AM PST by tx4guns (Guns don't murder people; stupid people murder people.)
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To: Historix

Well, I guess we can ignore Posse Comititatus now. It’s for “security,” after all. Unbelievable.


31 posted on 12/01/2008 8:37:17 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Historix
So bascially a reinforced DIVISION of troops will be sitting around waiting to respond to some event and can go enforce the law under Presidential authority.

POLICE STATE here we are.

32 posted on 12/01/2008 8:38:49 AM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: Historix

Bad news. Mark the date.


33 posted on 12/01/2008 8:39:33 AM PST by ncpatriot
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To: Historix
"There are critics of the change, in the military and among civil liberties groups and libertarians ..."

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34 posted on 12/01/2008 8:42:52 AM PST by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: HollyB

In retrospect it seems hard to believe that Bush-McCain and the Obama forces were seen as having been on opposite sides.


35 posted on 12/01/2008 8:44:42 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Historix

Please Mr. Conservative (insert sarcasm here) President Bush, go ahead and do one more bone-headed act before you leave office!


36 posted on 12/01/2008 8:45:10 AM PST by BlackjackPershing ("Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.")
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To: Captain Kirk

Agreed.


37 posted on 12/01/2008 8:45:30 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: bmwcyle

“Is America so dangerous (except for our inner cities that we don’t have to visit) that we need troops with guns and tanks running down our streets?”

You know, it probably is.

Think about what would happen if a small nuke went off in LA or a like city. Think of the rioting and mass of criminals who would take advantage of the civil unrest. Think of the people who are incapable of surving on their own (New Orleans).

That said, the danger of a Reichstag situation where a utopian opportunist uses some real disaster like an attack seize power is very real.

I mean, the Dhims try now to rig elections (Minnesota comes to mind).

Just think what they would do in a real emergency.

And law-and-order conservatives would be the first to back up and circle the wagon around the government.


38 posted on 12/01/2008 8:46:49 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: AU72
The Posse Commitatus Act needs revising, but it does give me pause having thousands of military assuming national law enforcement duties under the next President.

The reason we don't have military law enforcement, is we don't want people trained to automatically obey the orders of their superiors, and without training in what UNLAWFUL orders need to be rejected, doing enforcement on the streets.

And for domestic emergencies, that's what the National Guard is for.

I would much prefer for National Guard to be given federal CCW authorization throughout the US (after suitable training), even in states that prohibit CCW.

39 posted on 12/01/2008 8:48:25 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: MeanWestTexan

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40 posted on 12/01/2008 8:48:44 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (The best thread on FreeRepublic is here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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