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ND farmer defies government by draining wetlands
AP via SFGate ^ | 12/1/8 | JAMES MacPHERSON, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 12/01/2008 8:47:32 AM PST by SmithL

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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yes...Alvin’s home will soon be a “compound”, ripe for a nice big government fire. You never want to have your home under the “compound” brand..Your days are numbered.


21 posted on 12/01/2008 9:40:46 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: griswold3
“this right is subordinate to the public welfare”

This would bother me a lot!

22 posted on 12/01/2008 9:43:34 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

It would bother me too. “Public welfar” is a really big basket that a lot of excuses can be thrown into.


23 posted on 12/01/2008 10:29:01 AM PST by ssschev (We the people are being "drowned slowly" in the waters of Socialism!)
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To: dcwusmc

That’s a hard concept for a lot of people to grasp, unfortunately.


24 posted on 12/01/2008 10:50:51 AM PST by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: dcwusmc

Actually the wetlands are not his total property. According to the article the FWS took an easement from his father to protect the wetlands. These easements are typically in perpetuity and usually go for about 80% of the fee market value of the property. The landowner still controls access but can’t develop or destroy the wetland. The landowner is compensated. This guy wants both compensated and the right to destroy the wetland. Sorry, but daddy already signed that “right” away.


25 posted on 12/01/2008 11:50:49 AM PST by lp boonie (Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement)
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To: lp boonie; dcwusmc

” Sorry, but daddy already signed that “right” away.”

Oh, crap. Here comes the “dead hand” doctrine - again. Our ancestors left Europe because of the “dead hand” dictates from Church and state that controlled land years after the original decree was made by prelates and lords long dead. Ever hear of serfs?

How many damn times do we need to refight these battles? What daddy did is not inherited by the son. The son has rights in his property - to use, to develop, to sub-divide, to farm, to sell. Daddy and the state already benefitted from the deal. If the state wants swamps for birds, let them negotiate with the present owner.


26 posted on 12/01/2008 5:08:58 PM PST by sergeantdave (We are now in the Age of the Idiot)
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To: sergeantdave

Agreed!!!!!


27 posted on 12/01/2008 5:12:05 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: sergeantdave
His dad sold the rights. Money traded hands and possibly became part of the estate the son inherited. Another way to look at this is the taxpayers bought the rights and now the son is stealing what is rightfully owned by the people.
28 posted on 12/01/2008 8:19:34 PM PST by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: lp boonie

“His dad sold the rights. Money traded hands and possibly became part of the estate the son inherited.”

Doesn’t work that way. Children are not chattel that can be sold into involuntary servitude.

People forget that we are guaranteed, by birthright, individual freedoms and liberties granted by God. That includes rights in our property. You can’t pass down to children obligations of the father.

Much has been written about these fascist conservation easements. They are little different from obligations pressed onto serfs by the church and state in medival Europe.

To give the state de facto ownership of private property in perpetuity is 100% opposite of what existed and was intended when our constitution was written.

People have simply forgotten their rights and birthright and no longer demand them. We have sailed far away from original intent, and the criminal syndicate occupying Washington is doing its best to strip away our rights.

That the “dead hand” can reach out from the grave and obligate others to terms and conditions agreed to before others were born is abhorrent and destroys the peace of the community.

Plus there are common law contractual issues in these medival conservation easements concerning offer, competence and unconscionability.

The “dead hand” conservation easements have not been adjudicated sufficiently and need to be tested in court.

The son has done nothing wrong by filling in the swampland. In fact, he is asserting his common law rights in his land. That the state can illegally trespass on his land and tell him how he can use his property is nothing more than thinly disguised fascism and outright government theft.


29 posted on 12/02/2008 3:41:52 AM PST by sergeantdave (We are now in the Age of the Idiot)
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To: sergeantdave

My dad sold a house the renter before he died. I wanted the house and hoped I would inherit it as part of his estate, but dad decided to sell it anyway. Using your logic, that is still my house. Now substitute wetland for house and government for renter. Your argument only makes sense if there was not a consensual contract. There is nothing serfdom about dad profiting from the sale of his property.


30 posted on 12/02/2008 5:05:08 AM PST by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: lp boonie

You’re out here cheering for government to take over this man’s property.

You haven’t addressed a single issue I’ve presented.

Frankly, you smell of Sierra Club fascism.

You’re a left-wing punk.


31 posted on 12/03/2008 4:59:23 PM PST by sergeantdave (We are now in the Age of the Idiot)
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To: sergeantdave

You crack me up. Keep an eye out for the UN Black Helicopters Seargent Dave, they’re coming any day now.


32 posted on 12/03/2008 7:00:55 PM PST by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yeap. Who defines public welfare?


33 posted on 12/03/2008 7:05:14 PM PST by ican'tbelieveit ((Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding))
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