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Farmers Panic About a ‘Cow Tax’ [greenhouse gas regulation......]
New York Times ^

Posted on 12/01/2008 11:21:21 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Farmers Panic About a ‘Cow Tax’ By Kate Galbraith Should their greenhouse gases be taxed? (Photo: Steve Ruark for The New York Times)

The comment period for the Environmental Protection Agency’s exploration of greenhouse gas regulation ended last Friday, with farmers lobbying furiously against the notion of a “cow tax” on methane, a potent greenhouse gas emitted by livestock.

The New York Farm Bureau issued a statement last week (PDF) saying it feared that a tax could reach $175 per cow, $87.50 per head of beef cattle and upward of $20 for each hog.

Such a tax would represent a “massive hit on our industry here in New York,” said Peter Gregg, a spokesman for the farm bureau, in an interview.

“You could take all of our cows together and they probably wouldn’t have the same effect on the atmosphere than the average traffic jam on the Tappan Zee Bridge,” he added.

Farm officials from Texas to Alabama also sounded the alarm, and Mr. Gregg said that the response in New York among farmers was “almost a panic.”

The hysteria may be premature, however. The E.P.A. indeed issued an “advanced notice of proposed rulemaking” this summer that called for public comments on the idea of regulating greenhouse gas emissions from cars, as well as “stationary sources” — which, yes, would include cows and other livestock.

(Excerpt) Read more at greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com ...


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such nonsense.......
1 posted on 12/01/2008 11:21:22 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Any tax is a good tax, and any excuse is a good excuse, when you’re a left-wing nutcase.


2 posted on 12/01/2008 11:24:16 AM PST by marron
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To: Sub-Driver

Solution to high milk prices. Kill the cows to teach them a lesson. MOOOOOOO


3 posted on 12/01/2008 11:24:34 AM PST by sickoflibs (McCain asks: "Did you stupid conservatives really believe me? HA-HA-HA, wait til 09")
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To: Sub-Driver

It’s their patriotic duty ...


4 posted on 12/01/2008 11:26:27 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Sub-Driver

The goal of “Global Warming” is to control people, to punish them for choosing “unapproved” behaviors and consumption.

This is the same goal for “universal healthcare” - to control behavior.


5 posted on 12/01/2008 11:26:43 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Sub-Driver
Exxon-Mobil's newest reserve :


6 posted on 12/01/2008 11:26:56 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Sub-Driver

Cow Tax thanks to MOOOOOveon.org!


7 posted on 12/01/2008 11:27:00 AM PST by proudpapa (Obama - The Worst One Ever!)
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To: Sub-Driver

All those farmers in Iowa will get their reward for voting Obummer.


8 posted on 12/01/2008 11:27:51 AM PST by linn37
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To: Sub-Driver

What about horses? And Zoo animals.....elephants are many times bigger than cows are.


9 posted on 12/01/2008 11:29:18 AM PST by GailA ( Valor Quilts for our wounded Troops....I'm a quilt-aholic!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
BP introduces its newest Methane Collection technology:


10 posted on 12/01/2008 11:30:24 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Sub-Driver

11 posted on 12/01/2008 11:30:26 AM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: linn37

yes I know the articles about New York but if the EPA really wants to make some $$$ it would go to the mid west.


12 posted on 12/01/2008 11:30:54 AM PST by linn37
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To: Sub-Driver

When is the NYTimes last day publishing?


13 posted on 12/01/2008 11:32:20 AM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: GailA

Hey....HEY....leave horses out of this. It already costs me a fortune to feed and take care of them. Horses farts aren’t dangerous anyway.....just don’t smell too good.


14 posted on 12/01/2008 11:33:30 AM PST by RC2 (Where is Obama's Birth Certifacte?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yeah, that is something to worry about.


15 posted on 12/01/2008 11:35:06 AM PST by Tzimisce (http://groups.myspace.com/nailthemessiah)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hell, why don’t we just tax human beings for breathing, too. After all, by decree of the EPA, carbon-dioxide - and therefore exhaling, and therefore actual people, are pollutants. We should tax people for just being alive. That will save the planet!


16 posted on 12/01/2008 11:36:19 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: linn37
The ONE thing I carry a grudge against Richard M. Nixon for is his creation of the EPA.

The entire history of the EPA is one of amassing more control and driving up the costs of everything.

Nixon gave us the EPA,Bush gave us Homeland Security;the addition of a new bureaucracy is hardly ever the correct solution to a problem.

17 posted on 12/01/2008 11:37:24 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: Sub-Driver

...or how to create mass starvation through tax policy.


18 posted on 12/01/2008 11:38:01 AM PST by Obadiah (NOMR! - Not One More RINO!)
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To: linn37

It wasn’t the farmers who voted for Obama, check out the map, it was the mostly larger cities in Iowa that carried him.

Who is this going to affect the most, the lower income?

When will they learn the the lowly termite is the largest producer of methane...maybe we need better forest control to take care of the dead trees (facetious remark)!!!


19 posted on 12/01/2008 11:38:42 AM PST by PORD (People...Of Right Do)
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To: sickoflibs
Taxing livestock is really anti-human. High taxes would induce farmers to exit the market, thereby pushing livestock production lower. The end result would be less meat available at higher prices.

Looks like a clever way to conceal the latest in Malthusian population control policy.

What about the micro, or family farmer? Would they have to pay the tax?

20 posted on 12/01/2008 11:41:05 AM PST by Vassar1989 (Feeling alone in New York; My professors lied; Sarah Palin equals Wonder Woman)
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To: Sub-Driver

I think we will probably see a tax on BEANS also! We will all have to pay $5.00 per month bean tax! That should raise some revenue.


21 posted on 12/01/2008 11:46:35 AM PST by ElZorroKTX (Change is coming)
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To: PORD

Well, well. we might as well outlaw mexican food too. And Texas chili. Any foods that cause gas. After all, 6+ Billion people passing gas is not good for the environment and greenhouse gas levels.


22 posted on 12/01/2008 11:47:34 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Vassar1989
Taxing livestock is really anti-human. High taxes would induce farmers to exit the market, thereby pushing livestock production lower. The end result would be less meat available at higher prices.

Environmentalism is really just a code word for anti-human, anti-capitalist. The "environment" is a slick excuse to cover the real intent.

23 posted on 12/01/2008 11:48:12 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Vassar1989

The nice thing about food prices going up before was democrats could blame GWB, even though Ethanol mandates , a deal he cut with democrats, were involved.

Better Obama raise taxes as McCain, and many here supported McCain who promised the same.


24 posted on 12/01/2008 11:49:45 AM PST by sickoflibs (McCain asks: "Did you stupid conservatives really believe me? HA-HA-HA, wait til 09")
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To: Vassar1989

DH the farmer did the math from what we saw on some ag sites. Operations with more than 25 head of dairy cattle or 50 head of beef cattle would be above the thresh hold to pay the tax based on what we saw.

Those are hobby size herds, folks. We know b/c we have that many beef cattle just to eat up hay that we can’t sell to horse owners.

In this area the average size dairy herd is about 300 head. The biggest herd in the area is about 3,000 head and is not unusual in the industry.


25 posted on 12/01/2008 11:50:35 AM PST by Cloverfarm (Children are a blessing ...)
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To: Sub-Driver
I hate New York.

If the New York Farm Bureau is so concerned about cow farts why don't they just get in their State Helicopters and fly from farm to farm wiping out the cow herds with M134 Miniguns.

That'll solve the cow fart problem real quick.

STOO-PID #&%*ing liberal tax-freak eco-nazis

26 posted on 12/01/2008 11:52:18 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: Sub-Driver; All

A Fart Tax?!?

I can just smell the T-shirt fortune with this one.

What if I eat a lot of beans?!? For every can of pintos, tro Uncle Sam 5 extra bux?

Aren’t Mexicans (beaners) unduly harmed by such a tax?

tehDeetz


27 posted on 12/01/2008 11:55:57 AM PST by ebiskit (South Park Republican ( I see Red People ))
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To: Sub-Driver

I would like to know who is going to pay the “gas tax” for all of the cows in India? Perhaps PETA is up to the task?


28 posted on 12/01/2008 11:57:01 AM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (According to the MSM, I'm a fringe sitting, pajama wearing Freeper)
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To: Sub-Driver
This is basically a tax on breathing... breathing cows, but breathing nonetheless.

Next they'll be taxing US for breathing.

A bureaucrat's dream!

29 posted on 12/01/2008 11:57:57 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors are the opium of the people.)
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To: Condor51

Cattle are ruminants. It’s the burps, not the farts.


30 posted on 12/01/2008 11:58:15 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Hell, why don’t we just tax human beings for breathing, too. After all, by decree of the EPA, carbon-dioxide - and therefore exhaling, and therefore actual people, are pollutants. We should tax people for just being alive. That will save the planet!

CO2 is a pollunt...yeah...

Let's counter with similar logic...

Who are we to deny plants the precious carbon dioxide they need to live and thrive?!? I say "SAVE THE PLANTS! DRIVE A HUMMER!"

31 posted on 12/01/2008 11:58:39 AM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Ha. They already do tax us human beings.


32 posted on 12/01/2008 12:01:48 PM PST by Twinkie (TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

If D.C. implements a “Cow Tax” then the farmers ought to implement a “D.C. Fee” and quintuple the cost of beef/dairy going into/around D.C.


33 posted on 12/01/2008 12:03:07 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Ever notice that Obama supporters chant "O-Bahm-AH" while McCain/Palin supporters chant "U-S-A".)
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To: IYAS9YAS; Sub-Driver
If D.C. implements a “Cow Tax” then the farmers ought to implement a “D.C. Fee” and quintuple the cost of beef/dairy going into/around D.C.

Oops, should have read the article in full. Same goes for NY state.

34 posted on 12/01/2008 12:06:52 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Ever notice that Obama supporters chant "O-Bahm-AH" while McCain/Palin supporters chant "U-S-A".)
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To: Sub-Driver

If the government ever passes a “stupidity” tax they’ll have neverending revenue sources from liberals.


35 posted on 12/01/2008 12:09:56 PM PST by OB1kNOb (I for one will NOT welcome our new Marxist overlords.)
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To: Sub-Driver
They forget about those poor people in the inner city
that can not have a cow, so part of the tax money must
go to them to be fair./S
36 posted on 12/01/2008 12:10:03 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: AFreeBird
After all, 6+ Billion people passing gas is not good for the environment and greenhouse gas levels.

You can make that 5,999,999,999.

President Obama farts pure O3 ozone.

37 posted on 12/01/2008 12:10:15 PM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: GailA
What about horses? And Zoo animals.....elephants are many times bigger than cows are.

Does this mean that the people promoting the recovery of buffalo herds will have to pay per head also?

38 posted on 12/01/2008 12:12:59 PM PST by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: Condor51
If the New York Farm Bureau is so concerned about cow farts

The New York Farm Bureau is AGAINST the "fart tax"
39 posted on 12/01/2008 12:13:20 PM PST by RedMonqey (Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
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To: Sub-Driver

They will have to attach a fart meter to every bovine? or is that a smart feller?


40 posted on 12/01/2008 12:19:23 PM PST by makoman
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To: holdonnow

cow fart tax ping


41 posted on 12/01/2008 12:25:01 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Put fart bags on cattle. LOL


42 posted on 12/01/2008 12:27:50 PM PST by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: Sub-Driver

You know, my Doctor gave me some pills that have made me, well gaseous, is 0bama going to tax my farts? and will it be a flat fee or per fart?


43 posted on 12/01/2008 12:35:53 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Sworn to Defend The Constitution Against All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Sub-Driver

It’s only fair if you also tax the polar bears, wolves, and caribou.

And what about fish? I say, WHAT ABOUT FISH?

Whales, too! And Spotted Owls.


44 posted on 12/01/2008 12:52:52 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Sub-Driver

Considering a rancher would only get about a $1 per lb. at market, we’re looking at higher beef prices for sure.


45 posted on 12/01/2008 1:21:50 PM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Sub-Driver; Desdemona; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; Delacon; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

46 posted on 12/01/2008 1:31:18 PM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: Sub-Driver

Another “Is this from the Onion” story that has a person shaking their head. Silly bureaucrats.


47 posted on 12/01/2008 1:55:17 PM PST by voiceinthewind
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To: Sub-Driver
"Is this a joke?"
48 posted on 12/01/2008 2:00:13 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: linn37

All those farmers in Iowa will get their reward for voting Obummer

Yeah, that’s the truth


49 posted on 12/18/2008 4:26:51 PM PST by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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To: Sub-Driver

As a woman, in protest of this ABSOLUTE ABSURD TAX, I fart, now, as opposed to ‘toot’. I’ll just do it ‘out loud’ and not excuse myself to go to ‘the powder room’. If anyone asks........I’ll tell them.

(OK, not really, but this is NUTS!!!!!!!!)


50 posted on 12/18/2008 4:47:18 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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