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Unbelievable - RINO Senator Mel Martinez responds to the Citizenship question
Email from Senator Martinez | 12/1/2008 | Jeffo

Posted on 12/01/2008 12:52:16 PM PST by jeffo

Well, I had written to Senator Martinez ("R"-Florida) about the citizenship issue before the election. Today I got this mind-boggling response:

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Thank you for contacting me regarding President-Elect Obama's citizenship. I appreciate hearing from you and would like to respond to your concerns.

Like you, I believe that our federal government has the responsibility to make certain that the Constitution of the United States is not compromised. We must fight to uphold our Constitution through our courts and political processes.

Article II of the Constitution provides that "no Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President." The Constitution, however, does not specify how that qualification for office is to be enforced. As you may know, a voter recently raised this issue before a federal court in Pennsylvania. On October 24, 2008, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania released an order in the case of Berg v.Obama.In that case, the plaintiff, Phillip Berg, raised the same issue that your letter raises regarding proof of the President-Elect's birthplace. Through his lawsuit, Mr. Berg sought to compel President-Elect Obama to produce a certified copy of his birth certificate.

The District Court dismissed Mr. Berg's suit and held that the question of Obama's citizenship is not a matter for a court to decide. The court further noted that voters, not courts, should decide whether a particular presidential candidate is qualified to hold office.

Presidential candidates are vetted by voters at least twice - first in the primary elections and again in the general election. President-Elect Obama won the Democratic Party's nomination after one of the most fiercely contested presidential primaries in American history. And, he has now been duly elected by the majority of voters in the United States. Throughout both the primary and general election, concerns about Mr. Obama's birthplace were raised. The voters have made clear their view that Mr. Obama meets the qualifications to hold the office of President.

After he is sworn into office, Mr. Obama will be our nation's President and I intend to bestow upon him the honor and respect due any man who holds that Office. Yet, I am certain that there will be times when I will disagree and oppose President Obama's policies. When that happens, you can be assured that I will pursue vigorously what I believe to be in the best interest of Florida and the nation.

I thank you for sharing your views with me and will keep your concerns in mind. If you have additional questions or comments, please contact me. For more information about issues and activities important to Florida, please sign up for my weekly newsletter at http://martinez.senate.gov.

Sincerely,

Mel Martinez United States Senator

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OK, so the fact that he won the election makes him qualified. Amazing


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Hawaii; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: ass; birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; florida; martinez; martinezsucks; melmartinez; obama; rino; stbc; thekenyan
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Mel Martinez responds to my letter about Obama Qualifications - "The voters have made clear their view that Mr. Obama meets the qualifications to hold the office of President." - OMG
1 posted on 12/01/2008 12:52:16 PM PST by jeffo
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To: jeffo

Great Lord Almighty! These people think we’re idiots!


2 posted on 12/01/2008 12:54:53 PM PST by Edgar3 ("Is there a Patriot in the house?")
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To: jeffo

I hear a loud sucking sound.


3 posted on 12/01/2008 12:54:54 PM PST by BubbaBasher (www.HypocriteLibs.org - Tracking the Slandering Liars in the MSM)
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To: jeffo

What a freakin idiot.


4 posted on 12/01/2008 12:54:57 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Edgar3
Great Lord Almighty! These people think we’re idiots!

Pretty much.

5 posted on 12/01/2008 12:55:17 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: BubbaBasher

Yes. Martinez on his kneepads for Obama


6 posted on 12/01/2008 12:55:40 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: jeffo

The voters do not decide Obama is eligble! Mel Martinez is an a*shat. My guess is he, Linday Graham and McCain will be pushing with O for a amnesty in January. The Senate is largely made up of criminals.


7 posted on 12/01/2008 12:56:12 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: jeffo

Got the exact same response from my RINO rep. Must be a form letter.

Is the fix in?


8 posted on 12/01/2008 12:56:21 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: jeffo

I suspect thisis going to be the final answer: “Screw the Constitution, we want him, damnit!”

This can lead to serious consequences of a civil war.


9 posted on 12/01/2008 12:56:25 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: STARWISE; LucyT; Calpernia

The GOPs best and brightest, that Mr. Martinez.


10 posted on 12/01/2008 12:56:29 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: autumnraine

They are sure as hell trying to put the fix in. What worthless dumbasses


11 posted on 12/01/2008 12:57:20 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: jeffo
Unbelievable.

Rep. Martinez, documented proof decides if a person is a citizen...not the whimsical nature of public opinion.

You sir, are no defender of the constitution and your reply stinks of political correctness and a desire to avoid the hard work of actually defending that sacred document.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UPBRINGING

12 posted on 12/01/2008 12:57:23 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: jeffo
"The District Court dismissed Mr. Berg's suit and held that the question of Obama's citizenship is not a matter for a court to decide. The court further noted that voters, not courts, should decide whether a particular presidential candidate is qualified to hold office. " This statement scares the dickens out of me.
13 posted on 12/01/2008 12:57:34 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: Edgar3

“Great Lord Almighty! These people think we’re idiots”!

...for the most part, they’re right.


14 posted on 12/01/2008 12:57:36 PM PST by albie
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To: jeffo
United States Senator

That about says it all.

15 posted on 12/01/2008 12:57:40 PM PST by onedoug
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To: jeffo

Apparently this guy doesn’t read FR. Why I have learned more in the last month about this here than in all my life!


16 posted on 12/01/2008 12:57:43 PM PST by freebird5850 (O-Bomb-a, the sleeper cell that slipped by all of us.)
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To: jeffo

“The District Court dismissed Mr. Berg’s suit and held that the question of Obama’s citizenship is not a matter for a court to decide. The court further noted that voters, not courts, should decide whether a particular presidential candidate is qualified to hold office.”

Niet! That is wrong! The Constitution holds strict requirements regarding eligibility, a Natural Born Citizen of at least 35 years of age.


17 posted on 12/01/2008 12:57:45 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: jeffo

“I intend to bestow upon him the honor and respect due any man who holds that Office.”

Yeah, Right. Just like you gave Bush.


18 posted on 12/01/2008 12:57:57 PM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: autumnraine

No the fix is not in:

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=20210273

Mr. Vieira explained although legal standing is difficult to get around in Federal courts, the document could be produced in any criminal cases stemming from legislation passed in the Obama administration.

“Let’s assume that an Obama administration passes some of these controversial pieces of legislation he has been promising to go for, like the FOCA (Freedom of Choice) Act,” said Mr. Vieira. “I would assume that some of those surely will have some severe civil or criminal penalties attached to them for violation. You are now the criminal defendant under this statute, which was passed by an Obama Congress and signed by President Obama. Your defense is that is not a statute because Mr. Obama is not the president. You now have a right and I have never heard this challenged, to subpoena in a criminal case, anyone who has relevant evidence relating to your defenses. And you can subpoena them duces tecum, meaning ‘you shall bring with you the documents.’ “

Such a criminal defense would enable the defendant to subpoena any person to testify in court and any person to bring evidence in their possession to the court.

Further, records could be subpoenaed directly, in the case of a birth certificate. Once the record could be subpoenaed, the birth certificate could be examined by forensic experts, who would then be able to testify to the document’s veracity as expert witnesses. Any movement by the judges to make a special exception to the president in a criminal case would hurt the legitimacy of that presidential administration.

“I can’t believe I’m the only lawyer who would think of this,” said Mr. Vieira. “I think any criminal lawyer defending against one of these politically charged statutes is going to come up with this. That means it will never go away until that document is laid down on the table and people say, ‘yes, there it is.’ And therefore they’re caught. If people keep challenging this and the judges out of fear keep saying ‘no, go to jail, go to jail, go to jail’ then that’s the end of the Obama administration’s legitimacy. On the other hand if they open the file and it’s not there, then that’s really the end of the administration’s legitimacy.”


19 posted on 12/01/2008 12:58:17 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: Edgar3
"The Constitution, however, does not specify how that qualification for office is to be enforced"

Ummmmmmmm by not letting him hold the office if he is not eligible?

20 posted on 12/01/2008 12:58:43 PM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: jeffo
The District Court dismissed Mr. Berg's suit and held that the question of Obama's citizenship is not a matter for a court to decide. The court further noted that voters, not courts, should decide whether a particular presidential candidate is qualified to hold office. Presidential candidates are vetted by voters at least twice - first in the primary elections and again in the general election. President-Elect Obama won the Democratic Party's nomination after one of the most fiercely contested presidential primaries in American history. And, he has now been duly elected by the majority of voters in the United States. Throughout both the primary and general election, concerns about Mr. Obama's birthplace were raised. The voters have made clear their view that Mr. Obama meets the qualifications to hold the office of President.

Zowie!!! What's wrong with this guy?? Voters decide on the constitutionally of candidates?? Golly that open up the Presidency to anyone who can get the votes. Write him back and tell him in no uncertain terms that he's a constitutional moron.

21 posted on 12/01/2008 12:58:49 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: jeffo

Mel Martinez clearly NOW is NOT qualified to clean dog dirt out of a Kennel! Martinez clearly doesn’t give a sh*t about Our Constitution, or The Laws of Our Great United States!!!
Martinez isnt qualified to be a Brain Dead DEMORAT! let alone a RINO!


22 posted on 12/01/2008 12:59:37 PM PST by NOBAMA in 08 ( OBIE HUSSEIN is a Pathetic Puppet of Bill Ayers and Associates!)
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To: jeffo

Actually, it is not the voters but the Electoral College that are responsible for ensuring that the candidate they elect is qualified. But if they refuse we’re pretty much screwed.


23 posted on 12/01/2008 12:59:40 PM PST by DManA
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To: pissant; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; Polarik; Jeff Head; ..

Thanks, Pissant.

Ping.


24 posted on 12/01/2008 12:59:50 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Frantzie
The Senate has always been made up of criminals. Only they used to dress better and pursue a higher class of mistresses.
25 posted on 12/01/2008 12:59:56 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (Liberty has few friends, many enemies, and no adequate substitute.)
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To: jeffo

Martinez is a moron. Mel sounds like he wants to undo Marbury vs. Madison. Do the voters have exclusive authority to determine other constitutional issues as well? Does he think voters had the right to determine that segregation wasn’t an equal protection violation?


26 posted on 12/01/2008 1:00:15 PM PST by Texas Federalist (Fred for RNC Chairman!)
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To: Mr. K

For me it is a confirmation that I didn’t make a mistake in stopping my contributions to the Republican party.


27 posted on 12/01/2008 1:00:21 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Control the information, you control the people.")
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To: Edgar3
Great Lord Almighty! These people think we’re idiots!

Obviously, they're right. If there weren't so many idiots Mel Martinez and his ilk wouldn't be where they are. Ugh.

28 posted on 12/01/2008 1:01:20 PM PST by Columbine
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To: rabscuttle385
Great Lord Almighty! These people think we’re idiots! Pretty much.
29 posted on 12/01/2008 1:01:57 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: jeffo

Ok, let me get this straight,,,first this brain donor says we must unpold the Constitution, and then later he says if the voters says it’s Ok that Zero is not a natural born citizen, then the Constitution CAN be violated? What an idiot. This is a Republican? AND he will support NoBama as a false president? OMG. The dolts in the gov’t have their heads so far up their asses they can’t see anymore. Constitution? They don’t need no stinking Constitution! They have the useful idiot voters to rely upon! We are so doomed.


30 posted on 12/01/2008 1:01:59 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not why the ship was built." by The First Gal of AK)
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To: jeffo
The court further noted that voters, not courts, should decide whether a particular presidential candidate is qualified to hold office.

That is a lie. The District court judge made no such 'note' in his written decision. In fact, he went as far to suggest that voters (you know, you and I...the serfs) were not qualified to decide or even ASK about such matters.
I don't think Martinez actually read the judge's decision.

31 posted on 12/01/2008 1:02:20 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds.)
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To: autumnraine

RINOs need to go. good-bye martinez


32 posted on 12/01/2008 1:02:49 PM PST by postal patty
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To: jeffo

“The District Court dismissed Mr. Berg’s suit and held that the question of Obama’s citizenship is not a matter for a court to decide. The court further noted that voters, not courts, should decide whether a particular presidential candidate is qualified to hold office.”

But not issues like gay marriage or benefits to illegal immigrants.
If the RATS had to take a consistent position on issues their heads would explode.


33 posted on 12/01/2008 1:03:02 PM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: jeffo
By this same logic, Ms. Kelo of New London, CT, could have just refused to give up her home, and her act of keeping her home made the home hers?

-PJ

34 posted on 12/01/2008 1:03:07 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: jeffo

The Constitution specifies the qualifications for President, not the voters.

We have people in Congress who don’t even understand the Constitution. With this mindset, anything becomes possible. Freedom of speech? Religion? Just a matter of the voters wishes says Mel.

It’s time to get rid of ALL of them - ALL of them. Even the few good ones will have to go, since they are in the evolutionary stage of becoming corrupt.

Term limits is the only way out of this.


35 posted on 12/01/2008 1:03:20 PM PST by oldbill
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To: jeffo

Since he is not in my district, I cannot vote for him.

Would you please email Mr. Martinez back and ask him to IMMEDIATELY organize a vote to overturn Roe V Wade, since only voter opinion matters and all.

Thanks,


36 posted on 12/01/2008 1:03:32 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: jeffo

Since he is not in my district, I cannot EMAIL for him.

Would you please email Mr. Martinez back and ask him to IMMEDIATELY organize a vote to overturn Roe V Wade, since only voter opinion matters and all.

Thanks,

CORRECTED POST


37 posted on 12/01/2008 1:03:48 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: Frantzie

Mr. Vieira wonders who knows the truth about the birth certificate and might have blackmail in mind. I was just wondering the same thing, not from the point of view of blackmail but just potential leaks. Surely there must be a few outside the Obama family? Just like there may well be living people who know the truth about Vince Foster and have yet to be heard from.


38 posted on 12/01/2008 1:03:50 PM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: jeffo

WOW talk about political double speak. Guy tries to have it both ways.
F the courts. The Constitution is. It exists. Our Nation is based on it.
Hundreds of times the “people” have voted in a manner that the “courts” overturned as UNConstitutional.
If Obama falsely represented himself before the voters and they in turn voted for him, then his FRAUD invalidates the vote because NOTHING, let me repeat that, NOTHING is more important the our Constitution.


39 posted on 12/01/2008 1:03:52 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: jeffo

Just when I thought I was done being angry...may G-d have mercy on his soul.


40 posted on 12/01/2008 1:04:04 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (We are SO screwed.)
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To: autumnraine

“This statement scares the dickens out of me.”

Welcome to Cuba/Venezuela-style mob rule. That’s why these people like to organize marches and vote by acclamation and “show of hands.”

Just like global warming is a “proven fact” and there were “no WMD in Iraq.”

The list will get longer.


41 posted on 12/01/2008 1:04:17 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: jeffo

You are being ruled, jeffo. Not governed. Get used to it.


42 posted on 12/01/2008 1:04:26 PM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: jeffo
Headline?

Constitution Defers To Voters

"It don't make no mind what the Constitution says, the voters say he's eligible," says Senator.

43 posted on 12/01/2008 1:04:36 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: jeffo

We had some Republicans call the house today and I asked the guy about the certificate affair. He said that he sympathized with the problem, but that if Obama was improperly elected and it could be proven, he’d be impeached, that it was required. I told the guy that it appeared to me that none of the Republicans even had the cojones to ask the question. My tone was such that if they didn’t have the cojones to ask the question, they had better not have the nerve to ask me for money.

Mel Martinez may be a RINO, but it appears that the lot of them are gutless wonders.


44 posted on 12/01/2008 1:04:38 PM PST by Marty
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To: autumnraine
Got the exact same response from my RINO rep. Must be a form letter.

Please, name him/her. It will be useful in tracking the origin of the form letter. Regardless of the merits of the birth certificate issue as it regards to Obama, the idea that public opinion decides a constitutional issue is outrageous.

45 posted on 12/01/2008 1:04:40 PM PST by Eroteme
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To: jeffo

46 posted on 12/01/2008 1:04:40 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: jeffo
Scary and stupid! How can votes by the people bestow “natural born” status on Obama or anyone? All the votes say is that those idiots want this man that they know nothing about. If we leave defining the Constitution or the meaning of laws to voters’ votes to interpret, I think that might be anarchy. Does Martinez have some vested interest here?
47 posted on 12/01/2008 1:04:40 PM PST by nclaurel
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To: CodeToad
This can lead to serious consequences of a civil war.

pffft, yeah, three minute civil wars during American Idol commercial breaks.

48 posted on 12/01/2008 1:05:35 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: jeffo

And to think that this loser was chairman of the RNC...no wonder the GOP lost across the board!


49 posted on 12/01/2008 1:05:54 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: jeffo

Martinez wasn’t born here either, he couldn’t care less.


50 posted on 12/01/2008 1:06:14 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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