Skip to comments.Franken May Seek Senate's Help to Win Race
Posted on 12/01/2008 2:09:15 PM PST by lewisglad
Al Frankens (D) campaign may ask the Democratic-led Senate to intervene on his behalf to allow some disqualified absentee ballots to be counted in his quest to unseat Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.).
Franken attorney Marc Elias made the case to reporters Monday that as many as 1,000 absentee ballots were improperly disqualified and that the Senate or the courts may need to step in to resolve the issue.
No recount can be considered accurate or complete until all the ballots cast by lawful voters are counted, Elias said of the recount that became necessary when only about 200 votes separated the two candidates on Nov. 4.
Minnesota's Board of Canvassers ruled last Wednesday that it would not revisit the improperly disqualified ballots. The bipartisan board ruled unanimously that it did not have the authority to order that the ballots be reviewed and counted.
Elias said that of the 12,000 disqualified absentee ballots in the race, as many as 1,000 ballots were improperly excluded, and should be counted. He added that the campaign would appeal to the Board of Canvassers, courts or the U.S. Senate to ensure those ballots are counted. Last week, Elias had indicated that the campaign would not directly appeal the boards ruling.
The U.S. Constitution allows each congressional chamber to be the "Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members."
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) called the Board of Canvassers decision to not count the absentee ballots a cause for great concern last week, fueling speculation that the Senate would explore the legality of the Minnesota recounts results
If ultimately there is no remedy before the canvassing board or before the courts, then that is certainly an option, Elias said of the Senates potential intervention in the election results.
The Franken campaign has made it clear that the recounted votes and will of Minnesotans matter little to them, and that they intend to take their campaign to change the outcome of this election on to the United States Senate, said Coleman campaign spokesman Mark Drake. Al Franken should personally reject this strategy outright, and honor the right of Minnesotans to choose who their senator should be and not allow lawsuits and the strong-arm tactics of the majority leader of the United States Senate to intervene in this process."
According to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune's recount tally, Coleman leads Franken by 282 votes with 86 percent of the recount complete. In total, 5,623 ballots have been challenged, with the Franken campaign having challenged 67 more votes than Coleman's campaign. The Franken campaign said it would announce withdrawn challenges later this week.
The Franken campaign maintained that Coleman only led by 73 votes, citing its tally, which includes determinations of a voter's intent made by neutral observers. Those determinations are not final until certified by the Board of Canvassers, and are not included in the Secretary of State's official tally.
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“determinations of a voter’s intent “
I’d like to see the breakdown of votes on ballots falling in this hanging chad category. These are the votes of those too stupid to mark a simple ballot properly.
Hey, Frankenweenie - no choice made means no choice made. What's your problem with that?
I want Coleman to win this race.
But sometimes I think that any state that has sufficient peeps who would vote for El Joko Franken deserves him.
Translation: We must keep counting until the result matches our desired outcome.
No, Translation: “We counted and counted and still lost, therefore we must simply ignore the count and declare ourselves the winner.”
Are they absolutely certain, that they want to go there? Aren't they overriding the will of the voters? Could this turn around and bite them, come January?
“But sometimes I think that any state that has sufficient peeps who would vote for El Joko Franken deserves him.”
As a US Senator thought he would not be just Minnesota. His votes and clown voice would be the same as the others.
I believe the Senate Dems got away with it last time in the mid-70’s
“Franken May Seek Senate’s Help to Win Race”
“Franken May Seek Senate’s Help to Steal Race”
That’s what that headline really means.
I thought most of the rejected ballots had to do with the viability of the voter (Ie provisional ballots)?
Even though I doubt the American public would go ape-sh*t if the Democrats executed such a naked power grab.
I wonder if this would stop the courts from applying Bush v. Gore - the ruling that elections must be determined based on rules in place before the election was held.
“The Franken campaign maintained that Coleman only led by 73 votes, citing its tally, which includes determinations of a voter’s intent made by neutral observers”
Interpretation: Hand picked Franken partisan observers have concluded that even a spec of dust next to Franken’s name on the ballot constitutes voter intent for Franken.
Isn’t this the sort of thing that happened during reconstruction (the part of American history where we all fell asleep in high school)?
If memory serves, weren’t there cases where certain legislators weren’t seated or were seated due to decisions made by a the legislative body as a whole, more or less nullifying the wishes of the electorate?
Or am I just imagining this?
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Posted on 12/01/2008 12:59:28 PM PST by rabscuttle385
“The Franken campaign maintained that Coleman only led by 73 votes, citing its tally, which includes determinations of a voter’s intent made by neutral observers.”
I see, a “neutral observer” can read people’s minds.
“Minnesota’s Board of Canvassers ruled last Wednesday that it would not revisit the improperly disqualified ballots.”
Thus, the writer presumes that the ballots were “improperly” disqualified. Note that there is no statement of why someone came to the conclusion that these ballots should be disqualified and no one who is interviewed to defend the decision. No bias here!
If that's so, there wouldn't be much of an issue about discerning intent, only about determining eligibility. I was responding to the text in front of me.
Another rendition of SoreLoserman!
If this assclown gets (s)elected to the Senate by it own members, the people of the state of Minnesota richly deserves him for making it this close.
At 92% of precincts recounted, Coleman is up 270 votes...as
of today. Of course, that doesn’t count if you are Franken.
I have said it repeatedly, and will add it here too... Am I the only one who finds it truly interesting that nearly all improper ballots, questionable ballots, and generally screwed-up ballots are cast for the Democrat candidates?
Doctored “hanging” and dimpled chads in Florida, non-marked ballots in Minnesota, the same song plays on...
I do not know who wrote this article, but the writing is a good example of poor journalism. The assertion that 1,000 absentee ballots were improperly disqualified should be the main subject of the reporting.
I would think that the readers would like to know on what basis is this claim of "improper" disqualification being made? What constitutes or separates proper ballots and improper ballots? Why is Franken so determined to get those particular ballots examined? Where did they come from? The readers would like to see a plain English discourse on what this charge is all about. Or, do we have too many disordered minds at work here?
1974, when the duly-elected Senator from NH, Lou Wyman, had the seat stolen. A new election was ordered months later and the Dems hijacked it (we got the seat back in 1980). They also tried to steal the OK seat in a close race, too (and would’ve tried the same with the ND seat, but didn’t).
I know I get disgusted with MN all the time too, and I have never even been there. Still, there are so many dumb voters in all states that it is not particularly promising to single any of the states out. Most states are stupid and will be so henceforth. Look at DE with its Biden, IL with its Durbin and Obama, MA with its EMK and would-be JFK, the list of fools is endless.
Some people vote only for President. Going further confuses them even more.
MN fell off the deep end in 1948 when it sent HHH to D.C. But in retrospect, HHH is a near saint!
The American people would never even know about such a power grab. They don’t even know what constitutes “a power grab.” Some 80 percent thought the Republicans kept control of Congress in the 2006 elections. They are just people looking for “fairness”.
No,Comrade...that's not *exactly* how it works.Not only must the voters *themselves* be lawful (and I'm surprised to hear you,a RAT lawyer,acknowledge this) but those lawful voters must have cast lawful *ballots*.You see,*that's* the problem that your client has here.
It won’t happen....but it would be rather amusing if even his lib compatriots in the Senate didn’t want him!
It happened more recently than Reconstruction, at least for House seats ... ask Bob Dornan (CA) or Woodie Jenkins (LA).
Please don't lump all of us Minnesotans together. I personally don't feel like I deserve Al Franken as my senator. I certainly didn't vote for him, nor did any of my friends or family, except for one goofy brother-in-law who's orginally from Iowa. :)
>>These are the votes of those too stupid to mark a simple ballot properly.<<
Which is why he thinks they will put him over the top!
It's OK to look at it that way for Gov and other state government positions. But in Congress, the people they elect effect every US citizen equally. So if Smalley steals it, we ALL pay -- not just the people of MN.
Speak for yourself, please. Thanks.
See my #38, please. Thanks.
I’m not particularly happy about the election results either - but what you have posted is a blatant whitewash and slander of those who voted with you. This type of bull will not help whatever you think your cause is.
Franken is scum.
A "signature problem" would be that the alleged voter's signature didn't match the signature on the registration rolls.
Have the envelopes that contained those ballots already been separated from the ballots ? (I think that's how the process works - absentee ballots are counted only when anything that could identify the voter has been removed?)
If the envelopes have already been separated from the ballots, there's no way any authority could check to see if they were improperly excluded. As far as I know.
“I see, a neutral observer can read peoples minds.”
No. Only a neutral liberal observer can read minds.
Agreed. Calling most Americans anti-American is no way to win over America.
Democratic politics. If you didn’t get a vote from a voter it is time to divine their “intent.” I don’t think there is any state law that allows for intent when instructions for a “valid” ballot are spelled out.
I 'reside' in WA state, my family and I campaigned vigorously for McCain/Palin, Dino Rossi and Dave Reichert...and yes, of the three the only one that won was Reichert. That means, however; that one less democrat senator [darcy burner] was sent to DC.
You will find no greater patriotic people in this country than the conservative republicans of WA state...and, yes, we, too, regret and despise the fact that we are outnumbered by the loony libs that 'reside' here!
They would not intevene to overrule the Senate. Of that I am certain. When the R's had the power to seat R's who lost in cases of clear vote fraud, they did not. (B1 Bob Dornan vs. Linda Chavez). This does not mean the Dems will reciprocate, however. The Dems play hardball, the Reps play softball. The R's also allowed the Donks to fillibuster everything they wanted to, including various Bush nominations. Again, will the Dems act the same? Perhaps it won't be an issue because the R's won't fillibuster anything important. It would be nice to win this one. My bet is still on whoever the SoS of Minn. declaring the winner being seated.
“which includes determinations of a voter’s intent made by neutral observers”
WHAT IS THIS?
Could this be the Paul McCloesky/Rick McIntyre of the Senate?
Florida has a Republican (RINO) gov and a GOP controlled House and Senate...so why is the assumption “they are anti-American”?