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As the Capitol spins, the deficit grows [About Obama's Birth Certificate, REALLY !!]
SFGate / SF Chronicle ^ | Nov 30, 2008 | John Diaz

Posted on 12/01/2008 3:37:54 PM PST by ml/nj

It seems that one of the axioms of Sacramento politics is this: If you can't get something done, the next best thing is to succeed in blaming the other party. [Big snip]

Speaking of mail: It's the rumor that won't go away. I continue to get e-mails about why mainstream media are not pursuing the challenge to the authenticity of President-elect Barack Obama's citizenship. The answer is that this allegation has been vetted and debunked.

As this began to circulate on the right-wing blogosphere last spring, the Obama campaign posted a copy of his birth certificate on the Internet for the world to see. While it is true that Hawaiian officials have not made the document public because of privacy laws, the state's health director said she and the registrar of vital statistics have personally inspected his birth certificate and can vouch for its authenticity. That pretty much amounts to "case closed" for anyone but the conspiracy theorists who are convinced that Obama was born in Kenya and his mother fraudulently applied for a Hawaii birth certificate. Even if this were true - it seems rather silly to engage this argument, but here goes - I can't imagine anyone being able to put together sufficient evidence to invalidate a birth certificate that has been in the official vault for 47 years.

That certificate states that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Honolulu at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961. And, yes, Hawaii had achieved statehood by then, contrary to some versions of this rumor.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; stbc
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I found this doing a GoogleNews Search for stuff related to the birth certificate. (It seems more and more is turning up on these searches.)

This article by itself is pretty meaningless. The reason I bring it to the FR readership is because of the comments posted about this article. They are a must read! Below is one example:

Reading through the comments on this article, it appears that only the mainstream media is clueless regarding the level of interest in this story. They are either in the tank, or grossly negligent. Either way, the mainstream media has ceased to be the 4th estate, and are now merely a mouthpiece for Obama and those who support him.
ML/NJ
1 posted on 12/01/2008 3:37:55 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

The state of HI health officials never said what the article implied. They said they have something but they did not say what it is. My guess is they have a COLB saying he was born in Kenya. Why did he provde a COLB forgery? Why are all of his records sealed?

It does not matter if he was born in HI. He is still ineligible because his father was a UK citizen and he admits he was born as a UK citizen.

The lawsuits will not stop and if he is sworn in as POTUS - anything he signs or passes will be null and void. The first criminal case for a law he signs will allow the defendant to demand to se his birth certificate. If he is ineligible - the case and law is thrown out along with any other cases or any laws he signed or any treaties or any appointments etc etc.

If SCOTUS punts you will see chaos like you never saw.


2 posted on 12/01/2008 3:44:54 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: ml/nj

We vetted this story earlier. The writer isn’t a deep thinker and definately doesn’t know how to do any honest investigating.


3 posted on 12/01/2008 3:45:28 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: ml/nj

“..Obama campaign posted a copy of his birth certificate on the Internet for the world to see.

I hear that Obama has spent a large amount of money on lawyer’s fees to stonewall the question of his BC. Then why should he post it on his website? I don’t see the logic of it.


4 posted on 12/01/2008 3:45:57 PM PST by 353FMG (The sky is not falling, yet.)
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To: ml/nj

We all need to go to the link and ‘thumbs up’ the comments.

It can’t hurt- maybe wake some SF readers - ;)


5 posted on 12/01/2008 3:57:00 PM PST by libertarian27 (Land of the Fee, Home of the Shamed)
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To: 353FMG
I don't know, I'm not the brightest guy in the world but it seems to me that if I were applying for an important position, and someone was alleging that I was not a natural-born citizen, and I HAD THE PROOF THAT I WAS, IT WOULD TAKE ME ABOUT 2 MINUTES TO PRODUCE THE EVIDENCE. I WOULD NOT BE STONEWALLING AND PAYING LOADS OF MONEY TO LAWYERS IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE RELEASE OF THIS EVIDENCE.

Therefore, using my deductive powers of reasoning, I can only come to one conclusion: The evidence (proving Obama is a natural born citizen) DOES NOT EXIST.
6 posted on 12/01/2008 3:59:19 PM PST by Signalman
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To: ml/nj; Jim Robinson; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; ...

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7 posted on 12/01/2008 3:59:36 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the heads up. bump


8 posted on 12/01/2008 4:03:30 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: LucyT

BTTT


9 posted on 12/01/2008 4:03:30 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: LucyT

BTTT


10 posted on 12/01/2008 4:03:36 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: LucyT

BTTT


11 posted on 12/01/2008 4:03:40 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Bobkk47

Any half-smart news reporter could earn the Pulitzer Prize if he/she did some digging in this whole sordid affair. Yet, no reporter is touching the story with a 10-foot pole. Why?


12 posted on 12/01/2008 4:04:02 PM PST by 353FMG (The sky is not falling, yet.)
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To: Frantzie

Because Obama’s father was Not a US citizen and his mother was under 21 when he was born, he is not a natural born US citizen. That is the law that was in effect at the time Obama was born.


13 posted on 12/01/2008 4:04:25 PM PST by FFranco
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To: ml/nj

John Diaz should stay in his gay hot tub writing Jayson Blair bs about how great the gay life is.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-hptb5&p=John%20Diaz%20%20%2b%20gay&type=


14 posted on 12/01/2008 4:08:11 PM PST by Grampa Dave (This is the link to Leo Donofrio's new website: http://thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com)
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To: LucyT

Thanks, LucyT

BTTT


15 posted on 12/01/2008 4:10:23 PM PST by Iowan
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To: Frantzie
It does not matter if he was born in HI. He is still ineligible because his father was a UK citizen and he admits he was born as a UK citizen.

Hum, yes it does, if he was born in HI then he is a US Citizen period unless after 18 he naturalized as the citizen of another country.

It does not matter where either of his parents were born if he was born in HI. Why do you think there are countless US citizens born to illegal aliens in the US every year?

The only exception is a child born to foreign diplomats while in the US. They retain the citizenship of their parents and can’t claim citizenship in the US.

16 posted on 12/01/2008 4:12:17 PM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: ml/nj

Obama is about to become the asterisk President...elected, but never proved he was a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution. He joins the ranks of Barry Bonds, asterisk home run record. He holds the record, but did he use steroids?


17 posted on 12/01/2008 4:13:08 PM PST by Harley (Life is Tough, But It's a Lot Tougher When You're a Liberal.)
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To: ml/nj
When I first looked at the headline I swear it said......(About Obama's GIFT Certificate, REALLY) LMFAO!

When you think about it....that's about right though..... ;)

18 posted on 12/01/2008 4:17:57 PM PST by BossLady (Ok Everybody......Get Ready For ......'THE MOOD RING PRESIDENCY'......)
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To: ml/nj

This article as many others, is incorrect.

They make the assumption that just because Hawaii verifies there IS a birthcertificate, that it means he was born there.

We HAVE to email these reporters and let them know the laws that pertain to Hawaii regarding birth outside the state. They do not know and will continue to print inaccurate information until they recognize that they are wrong.


19 posted on 12/01/2008 4:17:58 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: FFranco
Because Obama’s father was Not a US citizen and his mother was under 21 when he was born, he is not a natural born US citizen. That is the law that was in effect at the time Obama was born.

If he was born in HI it’s a mute point, he is a US citizen regardless of his parents status. Illegal aliens do it every day.

If he was born outside the US, them mom must have been physically present in the US for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after the age of 14. So if she departed the US before that age of 19 she is ineligible to transfer citizenship and Obama did not derive citizenship at birth.

20 posted on 12/01/2008 4:20:13 PM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: LucyT

TANKS,Lu...


21 posted on 12/01/2008 4:20:28 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: ml/nj

Thanks for posting.

I did send an email to the author. Who knows he may consider reading it. I was very respectful but encouraged him to look at all the facts because I told him that his readers deserved to understand the complete objective story.

I mentioned a few of the cases at the SCOTUS, as I am sure he was aware, and I hoped he would look into this issue further to help communicate the complete truth.

When I read a half-baked drive-by article like this one..I just say NOT TODAY..NOT ON MY WATCH...!!!

There is accountability in truth. I am going to continue calling these journalists out for their misleading and false writing.


22 posted on 12/01/2008 4:24:37 PM PST by joygrace
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To: FFranco

True, only if he was born out of the country.


23 posted on 12/01/2008 4:25:30 PM PST by TankerKC (I'm waiting for my government ration of hope.)
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To: 353FMG
Any half-smart news reporter could earn the Pulitzer Prize if he/she did some digging in this whole sordid affair. Yet, no reporter is touching the story with a 10-foot pole. Why?

First, you'd have to find a half-smart reporter. ;)

Honestly, there is a group think out there amongst reporters. This doesn't fit their preconceived narrative.

24 posted on 12/01/2008 4:28:02 PM PST by TankerKC (I'm waiting for my government ration of hope.)
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To: Frantzie

This is highlighted on AOL at this very moment:
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/12/01/obama-birth-certificate-rears-its-ugly-head-again/


25 posted on 12/01/2008 4:28:12 PM PST by Fireone (Homeland security is 100,000 rounds of dry ammo and 10 cords of dry firewood.)
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To: Harley
Obama is about to become the asterisk President...elected, but never proved he was a natural born citizen

Asterisk also goes by the qualifier "Black."

Truth be told, I would have an easier time turning my head about this if Obama were the son of American slaves. But he is not. He is the snot-nosed child of a foreign student.

26 posted on 12/01/2008 4:30:26 PM PST by littlehouse36 (Gather up ye seeds of truth at Free Republic; then spread them far and wide.)
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To: Spunky

Ping to me


27 posted on 12/01/2008 4:31:58 PM PST by Spunky ((You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences))
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To: usurper

moot - not mute - But I like your disclaimer !

I need one of those


28 posted on 12/01/2008 4:39:47 PM PST by ScottSS (...it's not because he's black, it's because he's red.)
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To: ml/nj

The question is, if:
(1) Hawaian elected officials took an oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution;
(2) Had knowledge of Obama’s lack of documentation for natural U.S. citizenship under the laws at the time - (and hence did not qualify to be sworn in as President,)

Is it incumbant upon them under their oath to stop such an unconstitutional act?


29 posted on 12/01/2008 4:39:56 PM PST by marsh2
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To: usurper

So the only logical explanation for the hiding of the Birth Certificate is because he wasn’t born in Hawaii- but at an early age his mother had a Certification of Live Birth created ??


30 posted on 12/01/2008 4:43:04 PM PST by ScottSS (...it's not because he's black, it's because he's red.)
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To: ScottSS
So the only logical explanation for the hiding of the Birth Certificate is because he wasn’t born in Hawaii- but at an early age his mother had a Certification of Live Birth created ??

Only two possibilities:

1) He was born abroad and his mother brought him back and registered his birth as being in HI. In that case the vault certificate will not list a hospital. It might show a home delivery or some such. 2) There is something else that he does not want disclosed such as a different father than the one he claimed.

I am guessing its something along the lines of #2. #1 Would be to much of a conspiracy for the Dems to pull off. But you never know.

31 posted on 12/01/2008 4:53:51 PM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: usurper
If he was born in HI it’s a moot point, he is a US citizen

US citizenship doesn't make one "natural born." I gather this whole issue turns on those two words, which are there to distinguish someone truly a son of America from someone who happened to roll out of his mother's womb during a stagecoach ride to Canada (or Indonedia).

This whole matter, and why it's a meaningful distinction, ought to be explained better. The Founders didn't want carpetbaggers with no serious roots in the country, perhaps with allegiances that elsewhere, taking command of our Army, Navy, and Marines.

32 posted on 12/01/2008 4:54:04 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Harley

(Obama) never proved he was a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution.


I believe if you read the US Constitution you will find there is a requirement that the US President BE a natural born citizen, but there is NO requirement he PROVE he is such.


33 posted on 12/01/2008 5:00:53 PM PST by FFranco
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To: FFranco

You can’t BE serious.


34 posted on 12/01/2008 5:01:56 PM PST by nufsed (Privatize 2 prisons)
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To: LucyT

I think that people can hear it live on Lans’ website at 10PM. Actually, I’m schedueld to come on around 10:20pm.


35 posted on 12/01/2008 5:02:18 PM PST by Polarik
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To: Fireone

Frantzie, here’s a great comment from your link. Bwaaa!
“Hope4:39PMDec 1st 2008
Dave: Yeah, we know the majority of dumb a— repukes who voted for McCain are just that - dumb a—es. You sorry a— pathetic repukes still believe your dumb a— President has done nothing wrong by throwing out our rights; that he did the right thing starting the war in Iraq based on lies, lies, lies and lies. We know you are the sorry a— repukes who continue to pontificate that the solders volunteered so if they are injured, maimed or dead, that what their choice. And here they are fighting to protect the rights of dumb a—es like you to opoen your mouth and spew hate, ignorance and garbage while you sit on your sorry a— in front of the computer. Hey, when your dumb a— President leaves office, follow his a— right behind. Better yet, take him with you and get the hell out of this country. Go buy yourself and island and appoint him King George so he can dictate to you everything you do in your pathetic life and ruin it. Then you better not come back crying and asking to help you. Now why in the hell would you ever want to get off your sorry a— and use your God given brains to think for yourself when you can have somebody else do that ??????????????????????? You sorry a— pathetic repukes just can’t accept it that a Black man has been elected 44th President of the United States. But it is a reality so shut the hell up. Who gives a rats a— what you sorry a— loser repukes have to say anyway ????????????????? Pray tell us exactly what the hell have you done for this country ????????????? What sacrifices have you done for this country ??????????????? So go ahead and continue to sit on your potty inhaling the c—p s—t you seem to be spewing out from your other end parroting the same old pathetic recycled s—t because you will still be losers.”

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36 posted on 12/01/2008 5:02:21 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: usurper

No he is not a natural born citizen. He would be a a citizen but not a natural born citizen thus ineligible to be POTUS.


37 posted on 12/01/2008 5:03:49 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: ml/nj

Bump


38 posted on 12/01/2008 5:04:27 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Bobkk47
Therefore, using my deductive powers of reasoning, I can only come to one conclusion: The evidence (proving Obama is a natural born citizen) DOES NOT EXIST.

Excellent ! Go to the head of the class!

39 posted on 12/01/2008 5:05:08 PM PST by Polarik
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To: ml/nj

The Comical is usually.... comical.


40 posted on 12/01/2008 5:08:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obama - not just an empty suit - - A Suit Bomb invading the White House)
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To: usurper

There must be some conflict of information that can’t be explained

1. The father isn’t who we have been told

2. A home birth- problamatic because both Obama, his sister , and his grandmoher in Kenya give three different accounts of his birth but all 3 were in hospitals - three different ones

of course thse two don’t exclude him from taking office

3. place of birth is not in the US

What do you think of the Selective Service Registration- that seems to have died down but I thought there were 10 or 15 errors/evidence of forgery on that as well- consistent with having been done after the fact -either to cover up the fact that he never registered, or to try to be consistent with the forged COLB’s that were public earlier


41 posted on 12/01/2008 5:14:03 PM PST by ScottSS (...it's not because he's black, it's because he's red.)
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To: Bobkk47

Definitely not acting like an innocent man.


42 posted on 12/01/2008 5:15:29 PM PST by nufsed (Privatize 2 prisons)
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To: nufsed

Did you read the Constitution?

I believe it is up to those who doubt a candidate is a natural born citizen to prove he is not natural born. The Constitution does not require a candidate prove he is natural born.


43 posted on 12/01/2008 5:20:30 PM PST by FFranco
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To: marsh2

99% of the elected officials in HI are RATs. Do you need any other explanation re their failure to act on the matter?


44 posted on 12/01/2008 5:26:53 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: FFranco
What is it about the future perfect ("shall have failed") that you do not understand?

ML/NJ

45 posted on 12/01/2008 5:28:25 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: FFranco
And it doesn't require me to prove he wasn't. Now what? We have secretaries of state to do that stuff. They just took mit for granted. That's how fraud is aided and abetted.

I like your interpretation. Are you qualifed, sure. You're in. Great stuff.

The constitution doesn't have to addreess who does what. It outlines the qualification. Election officials accept filings and they have a job to do.

46 posted on 12/01/2008 5:41:04 PM PST by nufsed (Privatize 2 prisons)
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To: Bobkk47

I may not be the brightest one around either.
I would love to see him declared inelegible.
If he is legal or not is overshadowed by the power and money they have, along with the media in their pocket.Don’t see it happening.


47 posted on 12/01/2008 5:42:01 PM PST by tmjohn
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To: FFranco

‘I believe if you read the US Constitution you will find there is a requirement that the US President BE a natural born citizen, but there is NO requirement he PROVE he is such.’

Hey, Bill Clinton, how ya doin’ sweetheart?!!!! Who knew YOU were a FReeper!!!!


48 posted on 12/01/2008 5:56:08 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: ml/nj

What is it about the future perfect (”shall have failed”) that you do not understand?


I said: “I believe it is up to those who doubt a candidate is a natural born citizen to prove he is not natural born. The Constitution does not require a candidate prove he is natural born.”

According to the Constitution (20th Amendment): “if the President elect shall have failed to qualify”

The President elect is the president elected by the electors, not a candidate. Therefore, if a President elect is not a natural born citizen (or at least 35 years of age, or resided in the US for 14 years) “then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified.”


49 posted on 12/01/2008 6:02:58 PM PST by FFranco
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To: FFranco
Really you do have difficulty. It will be up to Obama to act (i.e. qualify) once he becomes President-elect which be on or about January 2nd. It is not up to anyone else to do anything. Should he fail to act (qualify) then Biden will act as President when Bush's term expires, at least if the Amendment is adhered to that is.

ML/NJ

50 posted on 12/01/2008 6:10:24 PM PST by ml/nj
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