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Is the Man of Sin Revealed (and is it 0bama?)
Five Doves ^ | 2 December 2008 | John Tng

Posted on 12/02/2008 11:13:43 AM PST by mkjessup

Ted Porter was insightful regarding Rev 13:18 -- the 666 scripture (see link). Ted wrote:

Why does this verse specify that “him that hath understanding” is required to count the number of the beast? Why does it say “Here is wisdom”? Why can’t just anyone count the name of the beast? Why can’t we just have a computer take names and find out which ones equal 666?"

Note the requirements to solving the riddle: understanding, wisdom and counting. Ted is right. Pure counting alone seems too easy (the way Ted puts it, it takes zero wisdom). Now this whole business of counting the name of the antichrist has been going on for the past 2,000 years. I am not claiming to have more wisdom than every one else, but I think it is because time is short, and people used the wrong calculator to do the counting!

John Tng (2 Dec 2008)
"Is the Man of Sin Revealed?"


I sensed that some doves feel we should look for Jesus, not the son of perdition. But we are looking for Jesus alright when we try to count the name of the antichrist (something not prohibited in Scripture; in fact, the Apostle John teased us with these words, "Let him that hath understanding count the number ...."). The arrival of the antichrist should EXCITE us no end because it means Jesus is AT THE DOOR!

Evidence #1

So many things about Obama is marked with the number 666 it is just breathtaking! But we need first to clear the stumbling block that plagued us up until now. Traditionally we resort to the Hebrew and Greek gematria to work out the identity of Mr. 666. Well, it turns out the right gematria to use is English! If you think about it, this is logical because of who the antichrist is. With names like Hussein, Barry, Soetoro and Obama, are we sure we are able to come up with their equivalents in Hebrew and Greek, with no wriggling room for error?

Once you get past this mental block, and begin to apply the English gematria to Obama, the number 666 just pops like popcorn! The abundance of 666 is proof positive that we have found the man. The remarkable thing about these 666 occurrences is that THEY ARE BIBLICAL! The Author of the Word of God planted clues in the Book and posed us a teaser in chapter 13 verse 18 of the book of Revelation. The chapter and verse numbers of the 666 scripture are instructive: 13 is the number of rebellion and 18 is 6+6+6.

The first evidence that floored me is this. Two years ago Paul Black (a friend of Ian Mallett) posted an intriguing article called 'Counting Numbers' (see link). Paul wrote:

There are four references to 666 in the bible, three in the OT, one in the NT. The three OT references are, 1 Kings 10:14 at 9,094, 2 Chronicles 9:13 at 11,378, and Ezra 2:13 at 12,041. The total is 32,513 or 41 x 793.
 
Revelation 13:18 is 30,927, or 39 x 793. All four verses are therefore 80 x 793. This amazingly high common factor is the eleventh figurate hexagram, or star of David, which is made up of twelve triangles of 66, the eleventh triangular number. Notice the Revelation verse has the 3 x 13 again. The total number of letters in the four verses is 216, or 6 x 6 x 6.

What a remarkable discovery! What is so special about the number 793 that it is a common factor in the four 666 scriptures? An unbiased researcher like Paul Black took notice of it. No doubt he was puzzled by its intimate link with the number 666. Is it chance or design? Is there a purpose for its connection with the number of the beast? I believe there is. Observe that it is a factor of 13, the number of rebellion: 793 = 13 x 61. Astonishingly, it is also the standard English gematria value (see below) of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!

Standard English Gematria

A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 E=5 F=6 G=7 H=8 I=9
J=10 K=20 L=30 M=40 N=50 O=60 P=70 Q=80 R=90
S=100 T=200 U=300 V=400 W=500 X=600 Y=700 Z=800  


Barack Hussein Obama =117+572+104=793

B A R A C K  
2 1 90 1 3 20  
H U S S E I N
8 300 100 100 5 9 50
O B A M A    
60 2 1 40 1    

The reader may ask:  But I thought the name of the antichrist is supposed to add to 666, not 793? Perhaps this is the reason why we have failed to identify Obama so far. He is hidden in the four 666 scriptures even though his name is not equal to 666. (Shortly I will show his name does add to 666 in more ways than one!) Obama was born Aug 4, 1961. His birthdate is day 216 that year and the number 216 is 666! This is also the total number of letters of the four 666 verses! The total number of letters in Obama's name is 18 (6+6+6) -- also the verse number of the 666 scripture in Revelation chapter 13! Ted also discovered that the common English gematria (A=6; B=12; C=18...) of BARACK is 216 (666)!

Of the four 666 scriptures, the beast scripture is most stunning in revealing Obama:

Rev 13:18 (6+6+6) = verse 30927  = 13x79313x79313x793 !!!

To put it in English, the 666 beast scripture verse number is REBELLIOUS (13) BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (793) triply emphasized!

Since the antichrist is counterfeit christ, his number is the mirror of JESUS in Hebrew, 397! (see link) The 1189 chapters in the Bible attest to this mirroring: chapter 793 is chapter 397 counting from the last chapter! If you sum all numbers from 1 to 793, the total is 397793 !!!!!

John the Revelator confirms the mirroring as well. The word antichrist is purely Johannine (1 Jn 2:18 twice; 2:22; 4:3; 2 Jn 7). In its first mention, the word appears TWICE for double emphasis. Is there a link between this DOUBLE ANTICHRIST verse and the 666 BEAST verse, both Johannine? You bet! Be amazed by the mirroring below:

1 John 2:18 (18=6+6+6) = verse 30569 = 7 x 11 x 397
    Re 13:18 (18=6+6+6) = verse 30927 = 3 x 13 x 793

What are the chances that the number of verses between them is 359 inclusive, the Hebrew gematria value of SATAN?


Evidence #2

Besides the standard and common English gematria schemes mentioned above, we also have the ordinal (A=1; B=2; C=3; ... Z=26) and reduced values (see link & below).

Reduced English Gematria

A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 E=5 F=6 G=7 H=8 I=9
J=1 K=2 L=3 M=4 N=5 O=6 P=7 Q=8 R=9
S=1 T=2 U=3 V=4 W=5 X=6 Y=7 Z=8  

The standard, ordinal and reduced values of Barack Hussein Obama are 793, 163 and 64. Scripture records the death of Judas (type of antichrist) in two chapters, Mat 27 and Acts 1. The chapter number of Mat 27 is 956 -- the sum of 793 and 163 -- standard and ordinal values of Barack Hussein Obama! The total number of chapters between Mat 27 and Acts 1 inclusive is 64 -- the reduced value of  Barack Hussein Obama!

Phew! The man is pointed to by Judas Iscariot in the only two chapters that record his death!


Evidence #3

The common English gematria (A=6; B=12; C=18 ...) of Barack Hussein Obama is 978. This does not look like 666. In fact, none of the three values above look like 666. However, the sum of these four values is 793+163+64+978 = 666666 666  !!!!!!!!

Need I say more!?



Evidence #4

Increasingly coincidence is ruled out. Apply the four counting schemes to Obama's real name: BARRY SOETORO. The standard, ordinal, reduced and common values are 1458, 171, 63 and 1026. Again,  none of them looks like 666. The sum of the four values of Barack Hussein Obama is 666 triply emphaized. What about the sum of the four values of Obama's real name, Barry Soetoro? Can we also find the number of the beast? Yes! All it takes is a bit of manipulation of the numbers. It is certainly not the straightforward counting that we are accustomed to, to arrive at the number of the antichrist. But I think you will agree with me the number of the beast is hidden here as well! Subtract the forth value from the first three values: 1458 + 171 + 63 - 1026 = 666  !!!!!!

Hello? Is this confirmation or what!?

Evidence #5
In this evidence, Jesus REVEALED to John the identity of the antichrist! Impossible? With Jesus, all things are possible. He is the Wonderful Numberer. John the Revelator received the antichrist teaser and recorded it in Revelation chapter 13. John the Evangelist was shown the betrayer of Jesus (a type of antichrist) in chapter 13 of his Gospel. Is there a link between these two chapters marked by the number of rebellion, 13?

Take the standard, ordinal and reduced values of Barack Hussein Obama. Begin with Revelation 13 as the first chapter. Count forward the sum of these three values of the antichrist (793+163+64). Can you believe the counting leads us to John 13 when Jesus REVEALED to John the identity of Judas Iscariot in v26 (13+13)?

793+163+64 = 10 (Re 13 to end Bible) + 1189 (total no chapters of Bible) + 1010
Chapter 1010 = John 13 !!

Verse 27 says SATAN entered into Judas, the only person with the dubious honor of being possessed by Lucifer in Scripture! No doubt the antichrist is the Devil incarnate. At the start of this chapter verse 2, John recorded for us the DEVIL put into the heart of Judas to betray Jesus! The name JUDAS ISCARIOT last appears in the Bible in this chapter! 

So, tell me, is it coincidence that Barack Hussein Obama (three gematria values) just fits nicely between John 13 and Revelation 13 -- two antichrist chapters?
Evidence #6
5 million people will be in Washington to witness the inauguration of Obama on Jan 20, 2009. The world is falling all over him! In an interesting post by Hollis Caravetta yesterday (see link), she observed the 666 dimensions of the obelisk: "At the ground level each side of the monument measures 55.5’ long, which is equal to 666”.  As I already mentioned, the height of the obelisk is 555.5’ or 6,666”!"

Obama will be sworn in Jan 20, 2009. Given his immense popularity, let's just say he will go on and win the second term which ends on Jan 20, 2017. What do you know? On that end date, Obama will have lived PRECISELY 55.5 years, that is, 666 months since his birth on Aug 4, 1961!


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The 666 popcorn continues to pop. But I have to end here with more evidences saved for the next time. :(

HE IS AT THE DOOR!  :)

John



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This commentary and analysis by John Tng is one of the most startling and thought provoking articles I have read lately, Mr. Tng is no johnny-come-lately to prophecy and the anticipation of the Coming of Christ.

His website (www.fivedoves.com) is a gathering place for Christians seeking insight and to compare notes on the topic of the Rapture of the Church.

There will be naysayers as always, however I believe that this commentary by John Tng is credible and worthy of reading. (note to mods: I have posted this in 'News' as it concerns the Usurper-elect Barack Obama, however if it is deemed more religious in nature, please move the post as necessary. Thanx, MKJ)
1 posted on 12/02/2008 11:13:44 AM PST by mkjessup
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To: mkjessup

geeze louise...wasn’t this done about 10-15 years ago and “Bill Clinton” ended up with dibs on “666” ?


2 posted on 12/02/2008 11:16:17 AM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: mkjessup

OH, CUMMMMOOOOOONNNNN!
GET REAL
OBAMA IS NOT THE ANTICHRIST ANY MORE THAN HE IS THE MESSIAH!
I THINK YOU ARE TAKING THIS A LITTLE TOO FAR


3 posted on 12/02/2008 11:17:42 AM PST by dixjea
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To: stylin19a

Yes...Clinton...the anti-Christ...I remember...


4 posted on 12/02/2008 11:18:39 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: stylin19a

“Move over, Rover, and let B-HO take over.”


5 posted on 12/02/2008 11:18:44 AM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: mkjessup

Sooooooooooo, if she weighs the same as a duck . . . ?

SHE’S A WITHCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 12/02/2008 11:19:14 AM PST by Juan Medn
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To: mkjessup

IBTZ...


7 posted on 12/02/2008 11:19:40 AM PST by Knute (Tell me again ONE good reason I'm living here in Wisconsin??)
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To: stylin19a

Yeah, yeah, yeah, wasn’t Ronald Wilson Reagan this as well?


8 posted on 12/02/2008 11:20:02 AM PST by Lx
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To: mkjessup

It would be far better to look for Jesus ....and what HE is directing all of His followers to do with regard to personal holiness.... than to look for this type of diversionary tactic.


9 posted on 12/02/2008 11:20:03 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: mkjessup

“Hello? Is this confirmation or what!?”

No.

When Zero breaks a deal with Israel half way through, we’ve got our man.


10 posted on 12/02/2008 11:20:16 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: mkjessup

ping


11 posted on 12/02/2008 11:22:08 AM PST by unkus
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To: mkjessup

Wow ... the derangement is strong and some folks have way too much time on their hands. I don’t look forward to four years of this any more than I look forward to Obama.


12 posted on 12/02/2008 11:22:45 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: stylin19a
geeze louise...wasn’t this done about 10-15 years ago and “Bill Clinton” ended up with dibs on “666” ?

No, not by this Bible scholar.
13 posted on 12/02/2008 11:23:18 AM PST by mkjessup (The lamestream media WELCOMES our new Communist/Obamunist Overlords & Politburo!)
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To: mkjessup

14 posted on 12/02/2008 11:23:53 AM PST by stormer
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To: dixjea

No need to yell with cap letters.

How about disproving the content of the commentary, rather than just denouncing it all as “untrue”?

Of course that would require some effort.


15 posted on 12/02/2008 11:24:15 AM PST by mkjessup (The lamestream media WELCOMES our new Communist/Obamunist Overlords & Politburo!)
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To: mkjessup

Fascinating stuff. Bookmarked! Thanks mate!


16 posted on 12/02/2008 11:24:36 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: mkjessup

Well, the number 666 did come in in the Illinois State Lottery the day he won.


17 posted on 12/02/2008 11:24:38 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: mkjessup; topcat54
Take the standard, ordinal and reduced values of Barack Hussein Obama. Begin with Revelation 13 as the first chapter. Count forward the sum of these three values of the antichrist (793+163+64). Can you believe the counting leads us to John 13 when Jesus REVEALED to John the identity of Judas Iscariot in v26 (13+13)?

Get yer code rings, get yer code rings right here! You can't tell the players without a progam!


18 posted on 12/02/2008 11:25:15 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: mkjessup

19 posted on 12/02/2008 11:25:26 AM PST by mnehring
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Fascinating stuff. Bookmarked! Thanks mate!

Thank YOU Diehard, as you can see, the pummeling is just starting, lol
20 posted on 12/02/2008 11:26:19 AM PST by mkjessup (The lamestream media WELCOMES our new Communist/Obamunist Overlords & Politburo!)
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To: stylin19a

the funny thing is most of these numerology type calculations can come up with pretty much any result you want it to.


21 posted on 12/02/2008 11:26:29 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mkjessup

No, no, no. The Number of the Beast is not 666. This is an error by the scribes who translated it into English. The real number is 10314424798490535546171949056 (anybody want to guess how I came up with it?)


22 posted on 12/02/2008 11:27:16 AM PST by wolfpat (Revolt, and re-establish the Constitution as the law of the land!)
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To: Bon mots

Not only did 666 come up in the Illinois State Lottery the day 0bama won, it came up 3 more times prior to November 4th:

16 January 2008 - One year anniversary of 0bama announcing his candidacy for President.
22 March 2008 - New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson endorses 0bama, Hillary’s campaign withers.
23 October 2008 - New York Times endorses 0bama
05 November 2008 - 0bama wins general election, defeating John McCain for President.

And what do these dates all have in common?

On each date, one of the winning Illinois State Lottery ‘Pick 3’ numbers was ‘6-6-6’.

Don’t believe it?

See for yourself:

http://www.illinoislottery.com/subsections/History/Win2008.txt


23 posted on 12/02/2008 11:28:04 AM PST by mkjessup (The lamestream media WELCOMES our new Communist/Obamunist Overlords & Politburo!)
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To: mnehrling
exactly! when I responded to this, your post was 21 of 22 and that translated to “mnehrling”...amazing !
24 posted on 12/02/2008 11:29:10 AM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: mkjessup

“How about disproving the content of the commentary...”

The author disproves himself in this sentence, “All it takes is a bit of manipulation of the numbers.”


25 posted on 12/02/2008 11:29:45 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: mkjessup

“a bit of manipulation of the numbers”

with which just about any name can “count” up to 666 or a number related to 666 by some further manipulation...


26 posted on 12/02/2008 11:31:10 AM PST by piytar
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To: mnehrling

LOL, that’s great.


27 posted on 12/02/2008 11:31:23 AM PST by agrace
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To: dixjea

Is your caps lock key broken?


28 posted on 12/02/2008 11:31:39 AM PST by pgkdan ( All Catholics should know supporting Obama constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil.)
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To: mkjessup

you can get anything by playing around with numbers enough.


29 posted on 12/02/2008 11:31:55 AM PST by expatpat
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To: stylin19a

Stylin19a post #24.
If you replace the letters from your screen-name with numbers, using the ancient special code, you come up with..

S= 1
t= 2
y= -1
l= 3
i= -1
+19
a= 1

Add it together, you get... 24... your post #24... Oh, but wait, 2+4 = 6
You’ve posted twice, so 66
if you post once more you will have.... 666


30 posted on 12/02/2008 11:32:14 AM PST by mnehring
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To: dixjea; mkjessup

> OH, CUMMMMOOOOOONNNNN!
> GET REAL
> OBAMA IS NOT THE ANTICHRIST ANY MORE THAN HE IS THE MESSIAH!
> I THINK YOU ARE TAKING THIS A LITTLE TOO FAR

Pray expound, FRiend! You seem certain that Obama isn’t the Antichrist: we would all be interested in knowing who you believe the Antichrist is, and why.

Mkjessup has posted an interesting article, and at least the maths stack up nicely. It deserves something more of a cojent answer rather than the weak, casual dismissal you’ve given it.

So, let’s hear it... (crickets)


31 posted on 12/02/2008 11:33:46 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: wolfpat

I’ll go with “random pushing of the keypad buttons” for 100 Alex....


32 posted on 12/02/2008 11:33:58 AM PST by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: mnehrling; stylin19a

That’s quite clever, however neither of you two comedians are about to be sworn in as the 44th President of the United States, lol


33 posted on 12/02/2008 11:34:10 AM PST by mkjessup (The lamestream media WELCOMES our new Communist/Obamunist Overlords & Politburo!)
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To: mkjessup
Brain Seeks Patterns Where None Exist
34 posted on 12/02/2008 11:35:23 AM PST by TheZMan (Troll since 2004, apparently.)
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To: Enosh
When Zero breaks a deal with Israel half way through, we’ve got our man.

I'm holding out for surviving being wounded to death.

35 posted on 12/02/2008 11:35:30 AM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama? There will be a pop quiz every day for the next four years...miss a question, people die.)
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To: mkjessup

The man of sin, revealed, is me, and you, and all of us. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.


36 posted on 12/02/2008 11:35:34 AM PST by flowerplough ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: mkjessup

I missed the part in Revelation where the Antichrist was going to be the President of the United States.


37 posted on 12/02/2008 11:35:41 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mkjessup
Foolishness is fascinating, is it not?
38 posted on 12/02/2008 11:35:44 AM PST by HoustonTech
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To: mnehrling
nice try, but my wife says I'm the beasts’ cousin.
She shaved my head, found “667” and said: “You even screwed that up”.
39 posted on 12/02/2008 11:36:07 AM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: mnehrling
i= -1

No, i = the square root of negative 1.

/nerd mode.

40 posted on 12/02/2008 11:36:30 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: TheZMan

Exactly, the result of almost all conspiracy theories is the subconscious desire to create order out of chaos and/or to fill in gaps.


41 posted on 12/02/2008 11:36:38 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mkjessup

> Thank YOU Diehard, as you can see, the pummeling is just starting, lol

Yes, it’s rather disappointing but to be expected. I’ve read the thread now, and will be asking a few to Cowboy Up with their own explanations. I think that’s only intellectually honest.

I was always taught that the Antichrist was the Pope. So was the Man of Sin and the Beast and the Harlot. Now, I am not at all sure — except that what I was taught was probably too simplistic.


42 posted on 12/02/2008 11:36:43 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: HoustonTech
Foolishness is fascinating, is it not?

Not as fascinating as the closed minds of ostriches.
43 posted on 12/02/2008 11:37:45 AM PST by mkjessup (The lamestream media WELCOMES our new Communist/Obamunist Overlords & Politburo!)
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To: stylin19a
667? You live across the street from The Beast?

Sure you aren't 668?

44 posted on 12/02/2008 11:38:35 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mkjessup
I just ran the VIN of my Jeep through the same equation and it's the Antichrist also!

Riddle; 668

(The Antichrist’s next door neighbor)

45 posted on 12/02/2008 11:39:01 AM PST by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: KeepUSfree

“Bzzzzzzz” Wrong answer.


46 posted on 12/02/2008 11:39:25 AM PST by wolfpat (Revolt, and re-establish the Constitution as the law of the land!)
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To: mkjessup
Not as fascinating as the closed minds of ostriches.

You know what the Bible warns us of before it warns us of 'the beast'? "Beware of false prophets."

47 posted on 12/02/2008 11:39:38 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

I gotta’ get quicker on that post button.


48 posted on 12/02/2008 11:39:57 AM PST by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: mkjessup

WOW! Now that is strange!!! Anyone want to figure the odds on this?


49 posted on 12/02/2008 11:41:03 AM PST by piytar
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To: stylin19a

It’s one of those puzzles where someone says to take your age, divide by x, add y, etc. and eventually you come up with your 9th grade locker combination.

It’s fun with numbers, nothing more. Farrakhan is big on numerology too.

BTW, I don’t remember my 9th grade locker combo so these tricks don’t work for me.


50 posted on 12/02/2008 11:41:53 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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