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Things looking bad for Franken in Minn.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 12/02/2008 | Jay Bookman

Posted on 12/02/2008 11:49:14 AM PST by Gary Johnson in 2012

Today’s Senate runoff between Jim Martin and Saxby Chambliss has drawn national attention in large part because of the possibility that a Martin victory would give Democrats 60 seats in the Senate, enough to close off filibusters.

However, Sen. Jim Martin would become that 60th vote only if Sen. Al Franken became the 59th. And that seems highly unlikely. Franken has fallen behind by more than 300 votes in the Minnesota Senate recount (although the Franken camp claims the real margin is less than 80), with less than 10 percent of the votes still to be recounted.

According to The Hill, Franken’s camp is even considering taking the fight to the floor of the Senate:

“Al Franken’s (D) campaign may ask the Democratic-led Senate to intervene on his behalf to allow some disqualified absentee ballots to be counted in his quest to unseat Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.).

Franken attorney Marc Elias made the case to reporters Monday that as many as 1,000 absentee ballots were improperly disqualified and that the Senate or the courts may need to step in to resolve the issue.

“No recount can be considered accurate or complete until all the ballots cast by lawful voters are counted,” Elias said of the recount that became necessary when only about 200 votes separated the two candidates on Nov. 4.

Minnesota’s Board of Canvassers ruled last Wednesday that it would not revisit the improperly disqualified ballots. The bipartisan board ruled unanimously that it did not have the authority to order that the ballots be reviewed and counted.

Elias said that of the 12,000 disqualified absentee ballots in the race, “as many as 1,000” ballots were improperly excluded, and should be counted. He added that the campaign would appeal to the Board of Canvassers, courts or the U.S. Senate to ensure those ballots are counted. Last week, Elias had indicated that the campaign would not directly appeal the board’s ruling.

The U.S. Constitution allows each congressional chamber to be the “Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members.”

Taking it to the Senate would be a big mistake, and Senate Democrats ought to refuse to get involved if Franken dares to push things that far. Franken has the right and even the obligation to press Minnesota officials to count every legal ballot, but in the end the decision should be made in Minnesota, not by politicians in Washington.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: electionussenate

1 posted on 12/02/2008 11:49:14 AM PST by Gary Johnson in 2012
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

They just ‘found’ 172 ‘uncounted’ ballots.


2 posted on 12/02/2008 11:50:42 AM PST by BGHater (Obama is a Neocon.)
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

Rumor is that Reid will declare Franken the winner due to “Republican fraud” and Franken will be seated in the Senate anyway. Dems know only how to cheat.


3 posted on 12/02/2008 11:50:51 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

How are things looking for Chambliss in Georgia. He HAS to win


4 posted on 12/02/2008 11:52:30 AM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012
Ooops. I meant 171.
5 posted on 12/02/2008 11:53:13 AM PST by BGHater (Obama is a Neocon.)
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To: pabianice

What rumor?


6 posted on 12/02/2008 11:53:17 AM PST by mlo
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To: pabianice
Rumor is that Reid will declare Franken the winner due to “Republican fraud” and Franken will be seated in the Senate anyway.

This has happened twice in the past I believe; both times being democrats taking the a Congressional seat away from a certified republican winner. And democrats have the nerve to talk about republicans stealing elections?

7 posted on 12/02/2008 11:53:26 AM PST by Gary Johnson in 2012 (Gary Johnson for President in 2012.)
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

Saxby has GA.


8 posted on 12/02/2008 11:53:29 AM PST by Phoenix11
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To: pabianice

That best remain a ‘rumor’ and nothing else.


9 posted on 12/02/2008 11:53:35 AM PST by top 2 toe red (Some names I will never, ever dignify with a Capital letter again!)
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To: mlo

The one I started.........


10 posted on 12/02/2008 11:53:48 AM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012
Franken has the right and even the obligation to press Minnesota officials to count every legal ballot, but in the end the decision should be made in Minnesota, not by politicians in Washington.

Why let the idiots decide? Surely, Harry Ried knows what's best for them and for the nation. Some things are just too important to leave to the masses, after all.

11 posted on 12/02/2008 11:53:50 AM PST by TonyInOhio (The people have spoken, the bastards.)
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

Are grown-ups going to eventually force Stuart Smalley to shut up and sit down? I would not even be surprised if 0bama would not mind not having 60 votes b/c he can blame the failure to pass FOCA and Card-Check on a GOP filabuster.


12 posted on 12/02/2008 11:54:05 AM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

I heard that Franken has reached out to the Senate for “help” on this. I personally doubt that the Democrats will help him. Not because of any idea of honesty, but because Franken would be too much of a headache even for them.

Time will tell. I could be wrong!


13 posted on 12/02/2008 11:54:08 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: Red Badger

I thought so.


14 posted on 12/02/2008 11:54:21 AM PST by mlo
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To: Phoenix11

Don’t count your chicken before they hatch........


15 posted on 12/02/2008 11:54:24 AM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012
Man, if the Atlanta Urinal-Constipation is against it, you KNOW it must be over the top.

The AJC editorial board is so screamingly and incompetently liberal, they have managed to have a falling circulation while Atlanta metro is growing by leaps and bounds . . .

16 posted on 12/02/2008 11:56:09 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: mlo
Count claimed to be 4,108 in favor of Franken (via the Secretary of State’s “incomplete and unofficial” tally, which showed 93.75 percent of precincts recounted as of 8 p.m. Monday), every vote counts.
17 posted on 12/02/2008 11:56:15 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Red Badger

bttt


18 posted on 12/02/2008 11:56:37 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (Cal Thomas.. just another has been with an opinion and an a$$hole...)
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012
Mondale, Humphrey, Ventura and now Frankin...

Thanks MN.

19 posted on 12/02/2008 11:57:34 AM PST by realdifferent1 ("If you saw Atlas,...what would you tell him to do?"... "To shrug.")
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

Bad for Franken = Good for America.

The Dims used to be able to “buy” a vote for a pack of smokes or a pint of Ripple.


20 posted on 12/02/2008 11:57:43 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: mlo

Me and a friend of mine once started a rumor where we worked that there was a union organizer in the plant and he was trying to get a union started where we worked. Little did we know that it was actually true! We found out who he was and he came int to where we worked and to talk to our group. By then the rumor had been all around the plant and he was dumbfounded as to how it got around so fast.......


21 posted on 12/02/2008 11:58:09 AM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: realdifferent1

Don’t forget Wellstone...........


22 posted on 12/02/2008 11:58:55 AM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

Frankin assumes he has friends in the senate.

The senate has to consider if they way to empower hollyweird so much that all the kook fringe actors and actresses suddenly think they are qualified to run to be their replacements in the senate.


23 posted on 12/02/2008 11:59:08 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

Shhh! Democrats!

Fraud, what fraud?


24 posted on 12/02/2008 11:59:34 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012
Things looking bad for Franken in Minn.

Shouldn't this headline have read "Things looking good for Coleman in Minn?"

-PJ

25 posted on 12/02/2008 12:01:55 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: pabianice
Count claimed to be 4,108 in favor of Franken (via the Secretary of State’s “incomplete and unofficial” tally, which showed 93.75 percent of precincts recounted as of 8 p.m. Monday), every vote counts.

What's with that ??

26 posted on 12/02/2008 12:07:35 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.

With the news of Mel Martinez retiring, Hussein making the left angry, and Chambliss winning Georgia (I hope), then December is off to a nice start.


27 posted on 12/02/2008 12:13:34 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: BGHater
They just ‘found’ 172 ‘uncounted’ ballots.

This reminds me so much of the 2004 governor's race in Washington State. Every day I would sit down to watch the local news and hear the anchor giddily tell us that more ballots had been "found". Always, these ballots were in favor of the Dem candidate. Never did the news anchor, or any of the reporters, voice any curiosity about where the ballots kept being "found".

28 posted on 12/02/2008 12:14:37 PM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: BGHater

Found by “helpful, civic-minded” ACORN volunteers?


29 posted on 12/02/2008 12:23:22 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Just your average "Whitey" - clinging to my guns and religion [and The Constitution])
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

There is a blurb on Drudge that says Franken “claims he trails by 50 votes”. Is that possible?


30 posted on 12/02/2008 12:25:12 PM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: Red Badger

This stinks-Harry Reid!


31 posted on 12/02/2008 12:30:09 PM PST by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: Gary Johnson in 2012

Why should the remaining U.S. Senate races still really matter politically, since the next U.S. Senate will also still have a handful of RINO’s, who often will vote with Democrats on a variety of issues, in it? D’s + RINO’s=more than 60 total votes on the leftist side of the next U.S. Senate.


32 posted on 12/02/2008 12:30:51 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: realdifferent1

Humphrey was a patriot compared the rest on you list.


33 posted on 12/02/2008 12:35:02 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Dr. Ursus

I early voted for Chambliss a week ago and now have just been keeping my fingers crossed.

However, it does look like Martin is going to lose. The final Public Policy Poll (1,276 likely voters) has Chambliss with a 53 to 46% lead.

Here is an excerpt - Chambliss is up 71-28 on Jim Martin with whites. For Martin to win the runoff with that performance the electorate would have to be 34% African American. Given that it was only 30% for the general election with Obama at the top of the ballot and that early voting was less than 23% black, that does not seem particularly likely

Martin showed his desperation when he held a rally in Atlanta with that fool Ludacris. I think he has lost and HE KNOWS IT.


34 posted on 12/02/2008 12:46:39 PM PST by Drea
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To: Drea

Thanks-I hope Coleman holds on.


35 posted on 12/02/2008 12:52:47 PM PST by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: realdifferent1

Yeah, what the heck is going on up there? Brain freeze?


36 posted on 12/02/2008 2:24:24 PM PST by kenth (It's now spend and tax. How's that for change?)
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To: BGHater

Let me guess, they checked in the box with Hillary’s Rose Tree law firm records and Shazam!!! There they were....


37 posted on 12/02/2008 2:50:39 PM PST by Ronin
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To: Red Badger

Can I count them now? :)


38 posted on 12/02/2008 7:13:43 PM PST by Phoenix11
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To: Phoenix11

Yes, they are “safe” now...........for six more years..........;^)


39 posted on 12/03/2008 5:43:14 AM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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