Skip to comments.Zardari sues for peace, says "stateless actors" involved in Mumbai attack [SOMEONE'S WORRIED!]
Posted on 12/02/2008 11:36:46 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins
WASHINGTON: In an interview clearly aimed at soothing Indias anger and presenting his bonafides as a peace-maker ranged against domestic rogue elements, Pakistans President Asif Ali Zardari has renewed his pledge of no-first use of nuclear weapons. He has also blamed the Mumbai carnage on non-state actors, while implicating his own intelligence agency in past acts of terrorism.
Zardari appeared on CNNs Larry King Live on Tuesday night for an interview meant ostensibly to reassure India and the world that he and his civilian government was not part or privy to the terror attack on Mumbai, and they wanted peace with India. He insisted the terror attack was the work of "stateless actors who are holding hostage the whole world."
"So we should all rise above it. I expect the Indian democracy which is senior, which is an older democracy, mature democracy, I expect them to rise above this pain and the loss that they have had and come together with us to fight terrorism in the region," Zardari said.
But the Pakistani president fudged his way through several pointed questions. Despite the growing body of evidence that the Mumbai carnage was planned in Pakistan by the ISI-backed Lashkar-e-Taiba and details provided by the lone captured terrorist about his family, hometown etc in Pakistan, Zardari doubted if he is a Pakistani.
"We have not been giving any tangible proof to say that he is definitely a Pakistani. I very much doubt, Larry, that he's a Pakistani," he said. His statement echoed his predecessor Pervez Musharrafs denials of Pakistani participation during the Kargil infiltration in 1999 which resulted in Pakistan not accepting the bodies of its own soldiers killed in the conflict.
But Zardaris denial seemed pro-forma (the interview appeared to have been taped before Indian and U.S officials confirmed the Pakistani plot based on the confession of the captured terrorist and electronic evidence). In fact, he roundly implicated Pakistans intelligence agency ISI for past misdemeanors.
Asked what his government was doing about the Pakistani intelligence apparatus support for militant movements in the past, Zardari responded: "In the past, lots of mistakes have been made, I cannot deny that. But the present government does not support any such action and the -- I can assure the world from my side, from my Armys side, from my parliaments side and the people of Pakistan that we are not helping any such activity."
Zardari also avoided answering a question about whether he had respect for and confidence in his intelligence agency, indicating, or intending to indicate, a schism between him and the ISI, and possibly the Pakistani military, which controls the intelligence agency.
Asked specifically about the LeT, Zardari said it a banned organization all around the world and "if indeed they are involved (in the Mumbai carnage), we would not know. Again, they are people who operate outside the system."
Despite reports in the Pakistani media about state patronage to LeT leaders (the government recently helped its leader Hafiz Mohammed Saeed to a bulletproof LandRover SUV), Zardari insisted "they operate like -- al Qaida, for instance, is not state-oriented."
Zardari also waffled his way past a question about Indias demand for handing over 20 terrorists living in Pakistan, saying he was "definitely going to look into all the possibility of any proof that is given to us."
"At the moment these are just names of individuals. No proof, no investigation, nothing has been brought to forward," he said. Some of the names in the Indian list, notably Dawood Ibrahim, are Indian nationals convicted in Indian courts. Ibrahim lives in the same neighborhood in Karachi (Clifton) where Zardari has a home, according to past reports in the Pakistani media.
Asked if he would turn over the fugitives (including Indian nationals) if India provided the proof, Zardari fudged again just like his predecessor, saying, "If we had the proof, we would try them in our courts, we would try them in our land and we would sentence them." Accounts in the Pakistani media reveal many of the fugitives and outlaws live under ISI protection and patronage.
hehehe...the Times of India isn’t falling for the Pakistani Two-Step!
In other words, guilty as charged.
Looks like Pakistan may be kissing it’s rear end namaste!!
This is a bad tradgedy indeed, but my question is, how come this type of questioning was never given to Barack Obama about his past, present, or future. I would give Ole Larry some credit, but the MSM creditabilty has been tested this election year!
No handover means no peace. Expect to be bombed. Stateless actors? What the hell is that? If they are stateless actors, then the state of Pakistan has no right to try them either, no? IF Pakistan claims that people who did this are stateless actors, and we provide them proof that points to the people who did this, Pakistan has 2 choices:
1) They are stateless actors, so it should have no objections if we went over to “pick them up” ourselves - India I mean. The question of Pakistani soil doesn’t come in to the picture because Pakistan had a responsibility to stop them from planning and training for this attack FROM PAKISTANI SOIL - but they didn’t know or were unable to stop them - so they can look the other way as India goes about doing the cleansing
2) Yes, they are Pakistani, and the state of Pakistan is responsible for Pakistanis and Pakistan’s territories so they are in turn responsible for what Pakistanis do on Pakistani territory and hence responsible for the attack on Mumbai.
So which one is it Asif?
This incident could actually serve to bring greater cooperation/peace between India and Pakistan.
You’re deluding yourself. This incident will more likely bring an end to Pakistan itself as a country.
This was orchestrated by the very people who killed the wife of the Pakistani president.
Impetus is on both sides to cooperate against a common enemy, terrorist Islamism.
Yes, and they haven’t done anything about bringing the assassins for justice because there’s a clear divide between the civilian government on one side and the army, the ISI and the Islamists/terrorists on the other. The government controls nothing in Pakistan - it is but a facade behind which everyone else does what they want.
It will be easier for all concerned if Zardari privately tells Condoleeza Rice that he has no control over Pakistan and can do nothing about it. He should also have no problems if the US and India decide to do the Pakistani government’s job of reigning in the military and the ISI for the Pakistani government.
In other words, the Pakistani government surrenders control of the military and the ISI to the Americans. It is the only option for a “future” Pakistan. If not, and if they continue to take this stance that “we are in charge, and our military are good people who have no hand in these attacks and are completely capable of defending Pakistan” then the argument would be “where were these military and ISI when the attacks were being planned? if they can protect Pakistan from India, are they unable to or unwilling to protect it from the islamist outfits?”
Either the government will surrender its military and the ISI, or the government will take Pakistan and its military and its ISI and all its terrorists and all its civilians down with it.
You do realize that in this climate no lender will be willing to lend Pakistan any money. That in itself will sink Pakistan in a matter of months.
An alternative approach - India and the US announce that any state that is found to be providing any monetary aid or transacting any money with anybody in Pakistan will be blacklisted by them.
It will take less than a month before the country falls apart.
There are dams in India across all major rivers that flow into Pakistan. India can threaten to cut off water supply. Anyway its winter and there usually isn’t enough water in the rivers (snow not melting fast enough). So cutting the flow shouldn’t create too much of a problem for India.
We’ve heard these Islamic Republic “wombs” rejecting responsibility for the monsters they have given birth to with their Islamic teachings....
Well -— after the terrorist training camps, madrases, mosques and centers of “responsibility” have been destroyed — someone can claim that a renegaded Christian operated the drones that did all the damage and that America accepted no responsibility for the action..
So long as we allow these sheetheads to conduct their NATIONAL strategy of “TERROR ATTACKS” to cripple the civilized world — they will do so, as they have for at least 7 centuries.....
Time for the Jihad to have awakened the NEW Crusaders...
The Crusaders who can turn the entire Islamic world into a smoldering and uninhabitable ruin within a day.
However - I believe it would be appropriate to start with only a few cities in each of the most offensive Islamic Republics, allowing them one final opportunity to put an end to this damned “Jihad”......or lose their entire part of the world.
It was appropriate for Germany and Japan — why not these worthless and troublesome bastards?
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Better yet, just kill them and send them on to Allah.