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Zardari sues for peace, says "stateless actors" involved in Mumbai attack [SOMEONE'S WORRIED!]
The Times of India ^ | 3 Dec 2008, 1132 hrs IST | The Times of India

Posted on 12/02/2008 11:36:46 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins

WASHINGTON: In an interview clearly aimed at soothing India’s anger and presenting his bonafides as a peace-maker ranged against domestic rogue elements, Pakistan’s President Asif Ali Zardari has renewed his pledge of no-first use of nuclear weapons. He has also blamed the Mumbai carnage on non-state actors, while implicating his own intelligence agency in past acts of terrorism.

Zardari appeared on CNN’s Larry King Live on Tuesday night for an interview meant ostensibly to reassure India and the world that he and his civilian government was not part or privy to the terror attack on Mumbai, and they wanted peace with India. He insisted the terror attack was the work of "stateless actors who are holding hostage the whole world."

"So we should all rise above it. I expect the Indian democracy which is senior, which is an older democracy, mature democracy, I expect them to rise above this pain and the loss that they have had and come together with us to fight terrorism in the region," Zardari said.

But the Pakistani president fudged his way through several pointed questions. Despite the growing body of evidence that the Mumbai carnage was planned in Pakistan by the ISI-backed Lashkar-e-Taiba and details provided by the lone captured terrorist about his family, hometown etc in Pakistan, Zardari doubted if he is a Pakistani.

"We have not been giving any tangible proof to say that he is definitely a Pakistani. I very much doubt, Larry, that he's a Pakistani," he said. His statement echoed his predecessor Pervez Musharraf’s denials of Pakistani participation during the Kargil infiltration in 1999 which resulted in Pakistan not accepting the bodies of its own soldiers killed in the conflict.

But Zardari’s denial seemed pro-forma (the interview appeared to have been taped before Indian and U.S officials confirmed the Pakistani plot based on the confession of the captured terrorist and electronic evidence). In fact, he roundly implicated Pakistan’s intelligence agency ISI for past misdemeanors.

Asked what his government was doing about the Pakistani intelligence apparatus support for militant movements in the past, Zardari responded: "In the past, lots of mistakes have been made, I cannot deny that. But the present government does not support any such action and the -- I can assure the world from my side, from my Army’s side, from my parliament’s side and the people of Pakistan that we are not helping any such activity."

Zardari also avoided answering a question about whether he had respect for and confidence in his intelligence agency, indicating, or intending to indicate, a schism between him and the ISI, and possibly the Pakistani military, which controls the intelligence agency.

Asked specifically about the LeT, Zardari said it a banned organization all around the world and "if indeed they are involved (in the Mumbai carnage), we would not know. Again, they are people who operate outside the system."

Despite reports in the Pakistani media about state patronage to LeT leaders (the government recently helped its leader Hafiz Mohammed Saeed to a bulletproof LandRover SUV), Zardari insisted "they operate like -- al Qaida, for instance, is not state-oriented."

Zardari also waffled his way past a question about India’s demand for handing over 20 terrorists living in Pakistan, saying he was "definitely going to look into all the possibility of any proof that is given to us."

"At the moment these are just names of individuals. No proof, no investigation, nothing has been brought to forward," he said. Some of the names in the Indian list, notably Dawood Ibrahim, are Indian nationals convicted in Indian courts. Ibrahim lives in the same neighborhood in Karachi (Clifton) where Zardari has a home, according to past reports in the Pakistani media.

Asked if he would turn over the fugitives (including Indian nationals) if India provided the proof, Zardari fudged again just like his predecessor, saying, "If we had the proof, we would try them in our courts, we would try them in our land and we would sentence them." Accounts in the Pakistani media reveal many of the fugitives and outlaws live under ISI protection and patronage.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: india; islam; israel; jihad; mumbai; pakistan
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1 posted on 12/02/2008 11:36:46 PM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

hehehe...the Times of India isn’t falling for the Pakistani Two-Step!


2 posted on 12/02/2008 11:41:30 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Uh huh


3 posted on 12/02/2008 11:46:44 PM PST by ConservativeCompendium.net (We need to amend the US Constitution. We the People --> We the Politicians.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

In other words, guilty as charged.


4 posted on 12/02/2008 11:49:32 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Looks like Pakistan may be kissing it’s rear end namaste!!


5 posted on 12/03/2008 12:01:10 AM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

This is a bad tradgedy indeed, but my question is, how come this type of questioning was never given to Barack Obama about his past, present, or future. I would give Ole Larry some credit, but the MSM creditabilty has been tested this election year!


6 posted on 12/03/2008 12:02:37 AM PST by claymax (Vote for a HERO...........not for the ZERO!)
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No handover means no peace. Expect to be bombed. Stateless actors? What the hell is that? If they are stateless actors, then the state of Pakistan has no right to try them either, no? IF Pakistan claims that people who did this are stateless actors, and we provide them proof that points to the people who did this, Pakistan has 2 choices:
1) They are stateless actors, so it should have no objections if we went over to “pick them up” ourselves - India I mean. The question of Pakistani soil doesn’t come in to the picture because Pakistan had a responsibility to stop them from planning and training for this attack FROM PAKISTANI SOIL - but they didn’t know or were unable to stop them - so they can look the other way as India goes about doing the cleansing
2) Yes, they are Pakistani, and the state of Pakistan is responsible for Pakistanis and Pakistan’s territories so they are in turn responsible for what Pakistanis do on Pakistani territory and hence responsible for the attack on Mumbai.

So which one is it Asif?


7 posted on 12/03/2008 12:07:29 AM PST by MimirsWell
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

This incident could actually serve to bring greater cooperation/peace between India and Pakistan.


8 posted on 12/03/2008 12:11:09 AM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: unspun

You’re deluding yourself. This incident will more likely bring an end to Pakistan itself as a country.


9 posted on 12/03/2008 12:13:19 AM PST by MimirsWell
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To: MimirsWell
You’re deluding yourself. This incident will more likely bring an end to Pakistan itself as a country.

Hardly.

This was orchestrated by the very people who killed the wife of the Pakistani president.

Impetus is on both sides to cooperate against a common enemy, terrorist Islamism.

10 posted on 12/03/2008 12:22:06 AM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
The current theme on NDTV, Indian English language TV, sets forth the current trend very briefly it is; “enough is enough.” If this is the attitude, Pakistan's excuses will not satisfy it.
12 posted on 12/03/2008 12:27:23 AM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: unspun

Yes, and they haven’t done anything about bringing the assassins for justice because there’s a clear divide between the civilian government on one side and the army, the ISI and the Islamists/terrorists on the other. The government controls nothing in Pakistan - it is but a facade behind which everyone else does what they want.

It will be easier for all concerned if Zardari privately tells Condoleeza Rice that he has no control over Pakistan and can do nothing about it. He should also have no problems if the US and India decide to do the Pakistani government’s job of reigning in the military and the ISI for the Pakistani government.

In other words, the Pakistani government surrenders control of the military and the ISI to the Americans. It is the only option for a “future” Pakistan. If not, and if they continue to take this stance that “we are in charge, and our military are good people who have no hand in these attacks and are completely capable of defending Pakistan” then the argument would be “where were these military and ISI when the attacks were being planned? if they can protect Pakistan from India, are they unable to or unwilling to protect it from the islamist outfits?”

Either the government will surrender its military and the ISI, or the government will take Pakistan and its military and its ISI and all its terrorists and all its civilians down with it.

You do realize that in this climate no lender will be willing to lend Pakistan any money. That in itself will sink Pakistan in a matter of months.


13 posted on 12/03/2008 12:41:11 AM PST by MimirsWell
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An alternative approach - India and the US announce that any state that is found to be providing any monetary aid or transacting any money with anybody in Pakistan will be blacklisted by them.

It will take less than a month before the country falls apart.


14 posted on 12/03/2008 12:44:41 AM PST by MimirsWell
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There are dams in India across all major rivers that flow into Pakistan. India can threaten to cut off water supply. Anyway its winter and there usually isn’t enough water in the rivers (snow not melting fast enough). So cutting the flow shouldn’t create too much of a problem for India.


15 posted on 12/03/2008 12:47:01 AM PST by MimirsWell
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
" ...the government recently helped [LeT] leader Hafiz Mohammed Saeed to a bulletproof LandRover SUV..

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Predator bait!

16 posted on 12/03/2008 12:53:35 AM PST by TXnMA (Chief Justice: "To administer this oath would violate my oath to uphold the Constitution.")
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
" ...the government recently helped [LeT] leader Hafiz Mohammed Saeed to a bulletproof LandRover SUV..

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Predator bait!

17 posted on 12/03/2008 12:53:35 AM PST by TXnMA (Chief Justice: "To administer this oath would violate my oath to uphold the Constitution.")
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Bull Squat.
We’ve heard these Islamic Republic “wombs” rejecting responsibility for the monsters they have given birth to with their Islamic teachings....

Well -— after the terrorist training camps, madrases, mosques and centers of “responsibility” have been destroyed — someone can claim that a renegaded Christian operated the drones that did all the damage and that America accepted no responsibility for the action..

So long as we allow these sheetheads to conduct their NATIONAL strategy of “TERROR ATTACKS” to cripple the civilized world — they will do so, as they have for at least 7 centuries.....

Time for the Jihad to have awakened the NEW Crusaders...
The Crusaders who can turn the entire Islamic world into a smoldering and uninhabitable ruin within a day.

However - I believe it would be appropriate to start with only a few cities in each of the most offensive Islamic Republics, allowing them one final opportunity to put an end to this damned “Jihad”......or lose their entire part of the world.

It was appropriate for Germany and Japan — why not these worthless and troublesome bastards?


18 posted on 12/03/2008 12:56:03 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins; little jeremiah; Indian_Fighter_Kite; Knitting A Conundrum; Hari prasad; ...

Kurukshetra War - Kali Yuga ping...

To be added to or removed from this ping list, please FReepmail Sir Francis Dashwood.

19 posted on 12/03/2008 2:21:51 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Albanese

Better yet, just kill them and send them on to Allah.


20 posted on 12/03/2008 2:27:52 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

This seems very telling. Bookmarked!


21 posted on 12/03/2008 2:42:09 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: cvq3842

bttt


22 posted on 12/03/2008 4:37:09 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: PapaBear3625; publana; RadioCirca1970; TheBlueMax; WLR; iThinkBig; Molly K.; bayouranger; ...

Pakistan ۋﮧ۱م

FReepmail if you want or off

23 posted on 12/03/2008 5:01:07 AM PST by G8 Diplomat (The Middle East: We put the OIL in TURMOIL!)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

>>>>>Despite the growing body of evidence that the Mumbai carnage was planned in Pakistan<<<<<<

I hate CNN. A disgusting propaganda outlet.

The evidence is not “growing”, it was plain to see from the get-go and then from the moment the captured Pakistani jihadi started spilling the beans.


24 posted on 12/03/2008 5:01:28 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Zardari needs to be read the riot act by the US, India and Afghanistan. The terrorists are out to destroy you and your government. You have the choice, join us to destroy the terrorists or gone done and take Pakistan with you. Choose wisely Grasshopper.


25 posted on 12/03/2008 5:40:50 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Barack Obama, the American Salvador Allende.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
"We have not been giving any tangible proof to say that he is definitely a Pakistani. "

One of the most annoying things about Muslim argumentation is their habit of saying "There is no proof", "Where is the proof", regardless of the amount of evidence.

26 posted on 12/03/2008 5:54:35 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: river rat
It was appropriate for Germany and Japan — why not these worthless and troublesome bastards?

Because The One does not think that way?

27 posted on 12/03/2008 6:05:51 AM PST by NCjim ("Lies have to be covered up, truth can run around naked." - Johnny Cash)
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To: angkor

CNN is desperate to keep their international offices operating, so they are always on guard to say the p.c. thing. Always.


28 posted on 12/03/2008 6:22:58 AM PST by sarasota
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To: verklaring

NDTV is a commie outlet. It loves muzzies and always wants to make up with them. I would rather that you switch to TimesNow which is significantly better.


29 posted on 12/03/2008 6:30:01 AM PST by Hari prasad (Pakissatan- Exporters of the finest terrorists since 1947)
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To: MimirsWell

The problem is the US needs access to Aghanistan through Pakistan - it it weren’t for that, I’d say we should let India nuke the Pakis into the stone age.


30 posted on 12/03/2008 6:33:39 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Gondring

“We have not been giving any tangible proof to say that he is definitely a Pakistani”

We have not been giving any tangible proof to say that he Obama is definitely an American!


31 posted on 12/03/2008 6:44:09 AM PST by BellStar ( Is Barack Obama A Marxist Mole?)
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To: MimirsWell
Stateless actors? What the hell is that? If they are stateless actors, then the state of Pakistan has no right to try them either, no? IF Pakistan claims that people who did this are stateless actors, and we provide them proof that points to the people who did this...

'Stateless Actors' is the mask the Muslim states expect to use to avoid the consequences of the 'Bush Doctrine'.

Note that the Messiah has not made any move to rescind that doctrine, nor even mentioned it.

Eeevreybody's trying to ignore the 900 lb. gorilla in the room. But it's still there, and the Muslim world is perfectly aware of it.

32 posted on 12/03/2008 6:59:43 AM PST by Right Winged American (No matter how Cynical I get, I just can't keep up!)
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To: MimirsWell

Thank you for your summary of Pakistani affairs. I found it quite informaative. I also stand by what I originally said, for reasons you have now described.


33 posted on 12/03/2008 7:08:33 AM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: claymax

You don’t know the horror that is Larry King; He should be at Gitmo.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/nasa_simulator_prepares

Sorry all, had to do it.


34 posted on 12/03/2008 7:18:53 AM PST by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

I didn’t realise that Pakistan was not a state. Now I am confused. Maybe the UN could debate it and write a strongly worded letter to clarify the issue.


35 posted on 12/03/2008 7:19:36 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
From what I've been able to ascertain, the terrorists were from the Kashmir region of India and probably trained there, too. There could have been help from elements in Pakistan, but I wouldn't think there was any official involvement from any governmental entities.
36 posted on 12/03/2008 7:25:13 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Obama is bringing in every crook and bumbler he can to assure consistency in his message.)
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To: ConservativeMind

If they were from Jammu and Kashmir, they wouldn’t need to take the trouble of coming by sea.And make sat.phone calls to Pakistan.


37 posted on 12/03/2008 7:52:52 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: unspun

After some heavy military action, of course.


38 posted on 12/03/2008 8:16:08 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: sarasota

CNN is the propaganda arm of commies and muslims.


39 posted on 12/03/2008 8:19:13 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
"Pakistan’s President Asif Ali Zardari has renewed his pledge of no-first use of nuclear weapons."

And how does such a pledge get enforced? I'm sure if his country was about to lose a war to India...they'd justify using Nukes.

40 posted on 12/03/2008 8:24:00 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’m not saying there weren’t people from Pakistan involved, but I don’t think it was related to any government institution with what has been unveiled to date.

As for their round-about way of getting to India, it’s true Kashmir is already part of India, but if they wanted to assure a surprise, while having quick access to Mumbai’s coastal hotels, the sea was the quickest way to get around all possibility of police along their way.

We fear Al-Qaeda will come over the border from Canada or Mexico or via plane, even though they have no means of arriving here directly via a border with Middle Eastern countries. Following your logic, one could ask why would Al-Qaeda bother to come here through such round-about ways? It’s obvious, precisely because it is not an obvious way.

People on a mission will do difficult things to more effectively accomplish their goals while not being caught.


41 posted on 12/03/2008 8:24:18 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Obama is bringing in every crook and bumbler he can to assure consistency in his message.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Sorry buddy, but the group that did this,the Lashkar E Taiba (LET) is based out of Pakistan. It’s recognised as a terror group by both the EU and US, but it’s headquarters are located near the city of Lahore. Not in the tribal area, not in occupied Kashmir, but near Pakistan’s most modern (and relatively speaking) well administered city. Don’t tell me that the Paki state doesn’t know they exist.


42 posted on 12/03/2008 8:27:20 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Zardari is a corrupt fool who should be behind bars


43 posted on 12/03/2008 8:43:58 AM PST by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: Gondring

It’s all very simple. Round up the suspects and hand them over to India, now!

The blatant refusal to do so is an aggressive act in and of itself. The Taliban tried this after 9/11 and Bush didn’t blink. This “suing for peace” by Zardari is just a cynical ploy to get his country off the hook for coddling terrorists.


44 posted on 12/03/2008 8:48:16 AM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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To: ConservativeMind

They were not from Kashmir. They were from the Paki side of Punjab.


45 posted on 12/03/2008 9:28:47 AM PST by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
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To: Hari prasad
Thanks for the suggestion. If NDTV is as suggested, they are not showing much love for Muzzies at present, which would further indicate the impact of the events at Mumbai.
46 posted on 12/03/2008 9:31:48 AM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

They are not stateless.

They belong to Dar al-Islam.

Dar al-Islam must be destroyed at its source.


47 posted on 12/03/2008 9:55:09 AM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama? There will be a pop quiz every day for the next four years...miss a question, people die.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I never said that the Pakistan government didn’t know of such a group.

I only said they government is not likely responsible.

Please read before you post.


48 posted on 12/03/2008 11:39:25 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Obama is bringing in every crook and bumbler he can to assure consistency in his message.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
yah.. and this cat says he ain't eating the canary...
49 posted on 12/03/2008 12:01:05 PM PST by Ancient Drive (will)
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To: sarasota

it is amazing how quickly folks forget them actually ADMITTING they did this in Iraq to protect local employees, sources, access (they didn’t say access) etc. If it wasn’t a no-brainer before, it was certainly obvious from that time on that their coverage of any dubious country anywhere was self-censored, and in the case of a huge market for their parent companies like China, even propagandistic in its own right.


50 posted on 12/03/2008 12:30:14 PM PST by WoofDog123
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