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Men Shot To Death At Toy Store Had Troubled Pasts
cbs2 ^ | Dec 3, 2008 10:14 am US/Pacific

Posted on 12/03/2008 1:28:06 PM PST by BenLurkin

Juan Mesa, 28, and Alejandro Moreno, 39, Both Had Criminal Records PALM DESERT Both men who died on "Black Friday" in a shootout inside the Toys "R" Us store on Highway 111 at Fred Waring Drive had criminal records, and one of them is believed to have been a gang member, authorities said Wednesday.

Juan Meza, 28, of Cathedral City, had a tattoo that read "VMV," which indicates that he was a member an Indio-area gang called Varrio Mecca Vineyards, Riverside County District Attorney's Office spokesman Michael Jeandron said.

Alejandro Moreno, 39, of Desert Hot Springs, was also killed in the shooting.

Meza pleaded guilty in March and in November 2007 to being a felon in possession of a firearm. In September 2005, he pleaded guilty to assault with a weapon, and in 2002, he pleaded guilty to possessing a controlled substance for sale while armed, according to court records.

Records show that Moreno had a criminal record spanning back to 1998, when he pleaded guilty to inflicting corporal injury on a spouse. Charges of assault with a deadly weapon, criminal threats and willfully harming a child were dismissed as part of a plea deal.

Moreno and Meza shot each other to death as parents and children were shopping for holiday gifts, Riverside County sheriff's Sgt. Dennis Gutierrez said. Two guns were recovered near the men's bodies.

Witnesses said the men were with two women who got into a fight that escalated into the fatal shootings, which sent terrified shoppers and their children scrambling for cover.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: barbarians; diversity; gangs; mexicangangs; palmdesert; savages; semicivilized; shooting; toysrus; toysrusshooting; toystoreshooting

1 posted on 12/03/2008 1:28:06 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Sounds like it couldn’t have happened to a better pair.


2 posted on 12/03/2008 1:31:18 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: BenLurkin

“Troubled Pasts” ?

He must be a really BAD A$$!

I only have one Past......This guy has pasts...........


3 posted on 12/03/2008 1:32:04 PM PST by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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does being killed in a toy store kinda hurt the street cred?


4 posted on 12/03/2008 1:32:51 PM PST by isom35
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To: isom35
does being killed in a toy store kinda hurt the street cred?

Dumb R Us.

5 posted on 12/03/2008 1:34:32 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your powder dry, folks)
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To: BenLurkin

Well, I for one AM SHOCKED, SHOCKED I tell ya!


6 posted on 12/03/2008 1:35:11 PM PST by rockabyebaby (Say what you feel, those who matter don't mind, those who mind don't matter.)
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To: DallasDeb

It’s a good thing that they were both legally barred from owning a firearm. I feel so much safer.

They’ll still get to vote for 0bama in 2012.


7 posted on 12/03/2008 1:35:41 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans.)
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To: BenLurkin

And the world doesn’t miss either one.


8 posted on 12/03/2008 1:35:46 PM PST by JRios1968 (Sarah Palin is what Willis was talkin' about!)
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To: BenLurkin

No downside to this story. What’s not to like? Probably saved at least $2 MM taxpayer dollars.


9 posted on 12/03/2008 1:36:31 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Our government is an edifice of artifice.)
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To: TRY ONE

MEN not MAN, man............


10 posted on 12/03/2008 1:36:43 PM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: freedumb2003

Now if only these two could start a trend! Illegal alien thugs kill each other...news at 6:00!


11 posted on 12/03/2008 1:37:00 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Good plan if we can get it going... :)


12 posted on 12/03/2008 1:37:49 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your powder dry, folks)
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To: Oldpuppymax

“Hey man, let’s meet and settle this thing once and for all”
“OK how about a toy store?”
“A toy store?”
“Yeah, homes. I got a gift card”.


13 posted on 12/03/2008 1:39:47 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: BenLurkin
Men Shot To Death At Toy Store Had Troubled Pasts

Ya think? And what gave THAT away?

14 posted on 12/03/2008 1:40:36 PM PST by John123 (The US may be going down the drain, but everyone else will drown first...)
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To: Oldpuppymax

“Now if only these two could start a trend! Illegal alien thugs kill each other...news at 6:00!”

Sounds like a good idea for a reality show.


15 posted on 12/03/2008 1:42:07 PM PST by squidward
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To: freedumb2003
does being killed in a toy store kinda hurt the street cred?

Dumb R Us.

I liked your response and your tagline...

16 posted on 12/03/2008 1:42:24 PM PST by John123 (The US may be going down the drain, but everyone else will drown first...)
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To: BenLurkin
the men were with two women who got into a fight

LOL!

And why is it "troubled" pasts, rather than "criminal" pasts (not to mention presents, but fortunately not futures)?

17 posted on 12/03/2008 1:43:38 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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To: BenLurkin
Moreno and Meza shot each other to death...

I hope that's the start of a trend.

18 posted on 12/03/2008 1:43:53 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: BenLurkin
Men Shot To Death At Toy Store Had Troubled Pasts

Gee, no kidding....

19 posted on 12/03/2008 1:46:23 PM PST by freebilly
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To: squidward

““Now if only these two could start a trend! Illegal alien thugs kill each other...news at 6:00!”

Sounds like a good idea for a reality show.”

Best thing? They both shot straight. Two malefactors DRT! No innocent bystanders hit! That is a trend worth working for!


20 posted on 12/03/2008 1:46:38 PM PST by petro45acp (Hunkered down in occupied Virginia!)
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To: DallasDeb

A Mexican Stand-off with a happy ending...


21 posted on 12/03/2008 1:47:21 PM PST by Crapgame (Palin/Coulter 2012)
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To: BenLurkin

Good riddance. They would have ended up in prison or dead by violence eventually. Those kind of guys always come to bad ends.


22 posted on 12/03/2008 1:48:03 PM PST by FFranco
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To: freedumb2003

to infinity and beyond!


23 posted on 12/03/2008 1:51:03 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
They’ll still get to vote for 0bama in 2012.

But they ain't gonna get no pie.

24 posted on 12/03/2008 1:53:57 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Tax-chick

“And why is it “troubled” pasts, rather than “criminal” pasts”

Well, lefties say that they’re victims of their environment-being victimized by nasty gringos, jackbooted policemen, eeevil big business, and cruel Republicans;)


25 posted on 12/03/2008 1:56:41 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: TRY ONE
That was my thought too after glancing over the headline initially.
26 posted on 12/03/2008 1:59:47 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

These two latino gentlemen are going to have a very troubled future.


27 posted on 12/03/2008 2:00:41 PM PST by IbJensen (The fat lady has sung and it was awful. Coming up: Maya Angelou!)
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To: BenLurkin

I’ve heard reporters opining along the lines of “That’s the problem with having all these guns on the streets. See how this escalated because they had guns?”. As usual, they miss the point. These were bad people. As felons, they clearly were not carrying legally anyway. A new gun law would not have prevented this.


28 posted on 12/03/2008 2:01:59 PM PST by JTHomes
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To: JTHomes

BUMP!


29 posted on 12/03/2008 2:02:37 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Tax-chick
And why is it "troubled" pasts, rather than "criminal" pasts (not to mention presents, but fortunately not futures)?

Same reason that Simon and Garfunkle didn't sing Bridge over Criminal Waters ... it doesn't sound as psycho-spiffy. And we all know that psycho-spiffy is what all good J-school students want to achieve.

30 posted on 12/03/2008 2:08:18 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Frank_2001

And trashy girlfriends. “Let’s go to the toy store, honey, and bring your gun in case we meet Ana and that creep she goes out with.”


31 posted on 12/03/2008 2:11:59 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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To: r9etb

Oh, that explains it.


32 posted on 12/03/2008 2:12:34 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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To: BenLurkin

Might have trouble future also.


33 posted on 12/03/2008 2:13:27 PM PST by rjones42
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To: Tax-chick

You mean you don’t pack at Toys ‘R Us? I pack everywhere I go except Gub’mint buildings and work. (It disturbs the peeps)


34 posted on 12/03/2008 2:16:24 PM PST by CholeraJoe ("This is a good day to kill some savages." Suetonius 60AD)
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To: CholeraJoe

I haven’t been to Toys R Us in years. The only one near us closed.

(Good for you, btw. Getting a pistol and a license is on my list of things to do when I’m not having a baby.)


35 posted on 12/03/2008 2:19:04 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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To: BenLurkin

Men Shot To Death At Toy Store Had Troubled Pasts


Men Shot To Death At Toy Store Were Criminal Scumbags

(There, fixed it).


36 posted on 12/03/2008 2:23:17 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Politicians, like diapers, should be changed often. And for the same reason.)
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To: Tax-chick
Here's my favorite CCW weapon:

Taurus Millenium Pro. Comes in .32 through .45 caliber. Small, lightweight and affordable.

37 posted on 12/03/2008 2:25:36 PM PST by CholeraJoe ("This is a good day to kill some savages." Suetonius 60AD)
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To: CholeraJoe; Anoreth

Pretty! Can you FReepmail me order information? OldTax-lady will be sending us Contributions for Christmas, and Anoreth wants a pistol. She won’t be 21 for a while, but she can go to gun range in Monroe on her own after she’s 18 in March.


38 posted on 12/03/2008 2:28:03 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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To: BenLurkin

still Walmart’s fault.


39 posted on 12/03/2008 2:30:07 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: TRY ONE

“Men” is plural.


40 posted on 12/03/2008 2:31:29 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: Beelzebubba

One or both might just maybe have been illegal aliens.


41 posted on 12/03/2008 2:43:11 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Tax-chick
And why is it "troubled" pasts, rather than "criminal" pasts

For the same reason that, in many reports, some female has "found herself pregnant" after just sleeping with a boyfriend, with seemingly no sexual activity involved. Just sleeping.

Other times, just walking down the the street, they 'fell pregnant', but no mention of what they tripped over.

42 posted on 12/03/2008 2:51:36 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
No downside to this story. What’s not to like? Probably saved at least $2 MM taxpayer dollars.

Were any innocent bystanders struck by errant fire?

43 posted on 12/03/2008 2:54:59 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: BenLurkin

Story noted, move on please


44 posted on 12/03/2008 2:55:37 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: BenLurkin

With criminal records like that, and in Southern California, I’m really surprised they were able to get concealed carry permits.

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45 posted on 12/03/2008 3:05:23 PM PST by john in springfield
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To: Tax-chick
"Anoreth wants a pistol."

And that one looks small enough that it'll be easy to use. The one I was looking at in the gun store was too big.

46 posted on 12/03/2008 5:12:14 PM PST by Anoreth (A rifle without ammunition is just a stick.)
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To: Anoreth

He sent me the info, and we can print it out.


47 posted on 12/04/2008 5:46:58 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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