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U.S. Government Gives $400M Aid Package to Mexico to Fight Drug Cartels
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,461446,00.html ^ | 12/3/08

Posted on 12/03/2008 5:35:31 PM PST by Sammy67

MEXICO CITY — The U.S. government finally released the first part of a $400 million aid package Wednesday to support Mexico's police and soldiers in their fight against drug cartels.

The money comes at a critical time: Mexico's death toll from drug violence has soared above 4,000 so far this year, and drug-related murders and kidnappings are spilling over the U.S. border as well.

U.S. Ambassador Tony Garza formally released $197 million at a signing ceremony in Mexico City. The rest will be disbursed throughout the year.

Garza said the Merida Initiative aid will enable the U.S. and Mexico to work more closely, sharing information on the cartels in real time.

But many questions remain about the direction of this drug war, and both Mexico and Colombia, where 90 percent of U.S.-bound cocaine is produced, worry they'll be

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Mexico is now considered a 'War Zone" by the U.S. State Dept.
1 posted on 12/03/2008 5:35:31 PM PST by Sammy67
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To: Sammy67

This is an abomination. Time for a tax revolt.


2 posted on 12/03/2008 5:37:22 PM PST by TonyStark
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To: Sammy67
$399 million will land in the hands of the looters.
3 posted on 12/03/2008 5:37:24 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: Sammy67

We should have sent ammo instead...


4 posted on 12/03/2008 5:38:45 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Sammy67
How much will go to the American ambassadors Mexican family.

A clear conflict of interest!

5 posted on 12/03/2008 5:39:34 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: Sammy67

We so need an exit strategy from the war on drugs.


6 posted on 12/03/2008 5:41:25 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Sammy67

Bush the big spender that just can’t quit.

I guess he traded his coke addiction for a spending other peoples money addiction.


7 posted on 12/03/2008 5:41:47 PM PST by stockpirate (Democrat Syndrome, psychological disorder that makes victims loyal to their abusers)
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To: Sammy67
The U.S. government finally released the first part of a $400 million aid package Wednesday to support Mexico's police and soldiers in their fight against drug cartels.

Unbelieveable.

8 posted on 12/03/2008 5:45:34 PM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Sammy67

I wonder how many miles of border fence that could $ have built.


9 posted on 12/03/2008 5:46:16 PM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: randomhero97
We so need an exit strategy from the war on drugs.

Or a surge. Securing our Southern border would be a nice start.

10 posted on 12/03/2008 5:46:28 PM PST by OCC
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To: randomhero97

We so need an exit strategy from the war on drugs.

How about tough sentences for drug dealers, actually enforcing our existing laws, and reforming the prison system (keep prisoners separate, etc. so that it’s not Crime University). Not to mention no tolerance for heroin sales as it’s funding terror.

Or were you looking for a “marijuana, it’s not so bad” response?


11 posted on 12/03/2008 5:48:56 PM PST by MoTiger
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To: Sammy67

90% of which will be funneled to the drug cartels who run the Mexican govt, police and military.


12 posted on 12/03/2008 5:50:42 PM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: MoTiger
Or were you looking for a “marijuana, it’s not so bad” response?

Never touched it in my life but I really don't care if someone else smokes their life away.
13 posted on 12/03/2008 5:53:19 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Sammy67; Mojave
Mexico's death toll from drug violence has soared above 4,000 so far this year

Mexico's problem

and drug-related murders and kidnappings are spilling over the U.S. border as well.

So build the fence

15 posted on 12/03/2008 6:18:19 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

$399 million will land in the hands of the looters.”

Time to read “Atlas Shrugged” again.....

The looters are predominant there.


16 posted on 12/03/2008 6:18:45 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Sammy67

Watch that cash translate into more beheadings.


17 posted on 12/03/2008 6:24:21 PM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: Sammy67

Not quite as helpful as flushing it down the toilet.


18 posted on 12/03/2008 6:29:07 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Sammy67

mexico is where we should send that 20,000 civil defense force.. instead we p*ss more money down a rathole.


19 posted on 12/03/2008 6:43:47 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed)
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To: OneWingedShark

We should have sent ammo instead...

in our guns held by our troops


20 posted on 12/03/2008 6:56:39 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: randomhero97

yeah because appeasement is so effective /sarc


21 posted on 12/03/2008 6:57:20 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: ari-freedom

Ah, you’re good at reading implications! :)


22 posted on 12/03/2008 6:58:04 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Sammy67
The Brookings Institution estimates that 2,000 guns enter Mexico from the United States every day, and many Latin American nations complain that U.S. drug consumption is ultimately responsible for the violence.

That's funny. Most of the drug dealers are armed with Kalashnikovs. I guess we shouldn't be producing so many here in the US. I was visiting rural Mexico years ago, staying at the house of an American ex-pat, when a Huey flew over with Mexican Army officers waving to us through the door. My friend started laughing about "There goes your tax dollars at work." The army takes bribes from the traficantes and money from the US, then they fly patrols down the valley where the sugar cane is. If they flew up over the hills they would see marijuana everywhere they looked, so they don't go there. The drug war is lost. Kaput. Finito.

23 posted on 12/03/2008 7:00:50 PM PST by Bertram3
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To: ari-freedom

Yeah, because the terrorists win if some dude down the street is taking a puff or doing a few lines.


24 posted on 12/03/2008 7:02:46 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Sammy67
Just keep the old printing press humming, hope they don't run out of that green ink.
25 posted on 12/03/2008 7:04:09 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: randomhero97

if drugs can enter the country, so can terrorists.


26 posted on 12/03/2008 7:28:29 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: ari-freedom
That's like saying if rice can enter the country so can the ChiComs.

How much more money do the taxpayers need to spend and how many more civil liberties do we need to give up for the war on drugs?
27 posted on 12/03/2008 7:35:05 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: org.whodat

Government is REALLY nuts right now. They are throwing money at everything that is hopeless and not fortifying what works and anything that resembles common sense.


28 posted on 12/03/2008 7:46:23 PM PST by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: randomhero97

If we can control the border to the point where illegals and terrorists can’t enter the country, we will have solved the drug problem as a bonus.


29 posted on 12/03/2008 7:56:24 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: ari-freedom

Totally agree. It all starts with securing the border.


30 posted on 12/03/2008 7:58:33 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
So build the fence

Yesterday, if possible.

31 posted on 12/03/2008 9:23:11 PM PST by Mojave (http://barackobamajokes.googlepages.com/obama_funny)
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To: Sammy67; MNDude; BellStar; bayouranger; stan_sipple; time4good; Guenevere; mugsaway; CSM; ...

Merida ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


32 posted on 12/04/2008 8:07:49 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (ObamaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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To: Sammy67
And this crap doesn't help
33 posted on 12/04/2008 8:20:56 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Exactly right down the rat hole.


34 posted on 12/04/2008 8:40:33 AM PST by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I wouldn’t think the *Mexican* family in question would need any extra cash but, now days.....who knows?


35 posted on 12/04/2008 12:52:08 PM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Sammy67

That country needs an armed revolution immediately followed by the execution of all corrupt government and military individuals.


36 posted on 12/04/2008 1:20:21 PM PST by Americanexpat
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To: MoTiger
“How about tough sentences for drug dealers, actually enforcing our existing laws...”

In most parts of the country people do get long prison sentences for dealing drugs, and existing laws are being enforced. They bust people left and right. About 20% of the people in our state prisons are in for drug crimes, and in the federal system it's over 50%. And tough sentences? The maximum sentence in my state for selling any tiny amount of a drug like meth or cocaine or heroin or methadone or hydrocodone, any Schedule one or two drug, is life in prison for a first offense. The sentences are potentially very long, and in most parts of the country people are in fact getting long sentences for small time offenses.

State prison drug offender populations:

http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook/pdf/t600012004.pdf

Federal prison drug offender populations:

http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook/pdf/t657.pdf

I'm not recommending we legalize all drugs if that's what you're thinking I'm going to say, but we should acknowledge that we have in fact been trying for a long time to take care of the drug supply problem and that it hasn't been working. We do have tough laws which we enforce and we put an awful lot of people in prison. It doesn't fix the drug problem for us though because there are still always plenty left behind who will supply the drugs to people that want them. That's not going to change even if we stay on this present course locking more and more people up every year on drug crimes. There is a big demand for drugs and lot of money to be made supplying the drugs and there will always be plenty of people who will do that as long as there is so much money to be made, many billions every year.

Our government recently estimated that Mexican drug trafficking organizations make 13.8 billion dollars a year, 8.6 billion from marijuana alone. This is a ridiculous sum of money and it's even more ridiculous in a country like Mexico where where hardly anyone has any money and where $13.8 billion will go a lot further than it will here. No wonder half the cops and government officials have been corrupted. No wonder these cartels murder each other fighting over a bigger piece of the pie and murder anyone that gets in the way of making that money, including those in law enforcement and the judicial branch of their government. There is just too much money being made selling drugs Americans.

There is no way we will arrest and imprison enough people to stop this. We'll probably try though. We'll crack down even more and make it such that more than half the people in our state prisons are there for drug offenses and more than three quarters of our federal prisoners are in for drug offenses. It won't make a difference though. We'll just being throwing more good money after bad.

I don't know what the answer is. We're not going to start executing everyone involved with drug on the spot. I doubt we start giving small time drug dealers the death penalty either. That won't happen here and I don't know that even that would work if we did do it. I'm not opposed to a border wall, but I don't think that would stop really determined people from getting the drugs in to make all these billions of dollars there are to be made. People get pretty darned innovative when there is that much money on the line. They'll figure out how to get the drugs in one way or another. This is just a tough problem.

37 posted on 12/04/2008 9:45:15 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz; MoTiger

“Our government recently estimated that Mexican drug trafficking organizations make 13.8 billion dollars a year, 8.6 billion from marijuana alone.”

I should clarify that the 13.8 billion a year is just what they make from the sale of drugs to Americans.


38 posted on 12/04/2008 10:03:50 PM PST by TKDietz
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