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Chemtrails Finally Explained...
OWSweather ^ | December 4, 2008 | Kevin D. Martin

Posted on 12/04/2008 12:03:03 AM PST by JohnJeykis

SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA - December 4, 2008 (OWSweather.com) The invisible killer.

People believe global warming exists. People believe in a thing called chemtrails. But are chemtrails what people think? What if chemtrails are poisoning us. What if normal contrails are the visible elements of which are poisoning us?

Planes have been known to produce contrails. When the humidity is high in the upper levels, with sub-freezing temperatures, lines in the sky form behind planes. These are known as contrails. Many planes take the skies daily, and many atmospheric conditions can form these trails. What is in them?

The chemtrail theory states that the government or formal nearby agency, is bringing hundreds of planes to the table, spraying our skies. These normal trails are thought to be deliberate spraying by our government. While it could sound crazy to some, the trails in the sky are not that. They are not spraying us through Southwest, American, or United Airlines, from which I've taken my telescope to and seen with my own eyes, these trails that come from the known airliners.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: airplanes; callingartbell; chemtrails; conspiracytheory; contrails; government; scientific; theory
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1 posted on 12/04/2008 12:03:03 AM PST by JohnJeykis
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To: JohnJeykis

What you’re seeing is, aerosoled dihydrogen monoxide. Some people will be afraid of anything!


2 posted on 12/04/2008 12:07:00 AM PST by eclecticEel (In short, I want Obama given the same respect and deference that Democrats have given George Bush)
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To: JohnJeykis

(fastenin’ chin-strap on tin-foil hat)...;0)


3 posted on 12/04/2008 12:12:31 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: eclecticEel

Ah, that evil pollutant and primary greenhouse gas, dihydrogen monoxide?


4 posted on 12/04/2008 12:15:08 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: eclecticEel
dihydrogen monoxide

OMG! We're all going to DIE if that substance enters our bodies!!!! ;-)

5 posted on 12/04/2008 12:16:03 AM PST by InShanghai (I was born on the crest of a wave, and rocked in the cradle of the deep.)
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To: JohnJeykis

LOL. I assume that those of us who don’t die from the chemtrails will be thrown into the secret internment camps they’ve been building?


6 posted on 12/04/2008 12:16:16 AM PST by MitchellC (RINO? GTHO.)
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To: MitchellC

The article is against the chemtrail theory not for it. It explains how simple contrails are not how these whackos see them as.


7 posted on 12/04/2008 12:17:57 AM PST by JohnJeykis
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To: JohnJeykis

I got sprayed by that website. I went there and got sick.


8 posted on 12/04/2008 12:24:19 AM PST by cydcharisse
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To: MitchellC

Does this leave the Aircraft Mfg’s/Airlines and all involved available for me to file a Lawsuit against the next time I get the Sniffles when it rains? Honey pass me the Reynolds please, The evil mind control waves are coming to get me AHHHHHHH!


9 posted on 12/04/2008 12:25:09 AM PST by jedi150
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To: JohnJeykis
"When the humidity is high in the upper levels, with sub-freezing temperatures, lines in the sky form behind planes."

Um, not exactly. The lines from the planes are made by the water vapor aerosolized dihydrogen monoxide in the exhaust from the plane. In the wild, when subfreezing temperatures encounter aerosolized dihydrogen monoxide, we get a compound sometimes referred to as rain, snow, hail, sleet, etc. hydrogen rust falling right out of the sky! But beware! This compound is dangerous in even the most minute quantities, causing untold harm and even death to people on the streets and in the supposed safety of their own homes on a daily basis!

10 posted on 12/04/2008 12:30:00 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: jedi150
You'd better buy yourself some ChemBuster!
11 posted on 12/04/2008 12:30:43 AM PST by MitchellC (RINO? GTHO.)
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To: MitchellC

Chemtrails are not real. That is the bloody point of the article.


12 posted on 12/04/2008 12:36:49 AM PST by JohnJeykis
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To: MitchellC

The chemtrail folks are simply the global warming folks who have been off their medications longer.


13 posted on 12/04/2008 12:37:08 AM PST by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: JohnJeykis
Photobucket The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
14 posted on 12/04/2008 12:37:42 AM PST by SiVisPacemParaBellum (Peace through superior firepower!)
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To: JohnJeykis

Condensation trails disperse differently than “chemtrails”. Chemtrails may be spectromically analyzed as being a salt, in some cases a barium salt which may ionize and disperse over a large area, yet still appear opaque such that it casts shadows. Several to a hundred “chemtrails” may be dispersed in clear skies such as to turn the entire visible sky into an overcast weather activity, while condensation trails generally disperse within a mile past the aircraft at subsonic speeds in lower elevations above 20000 ft depending on temperature and pressure and relative humidity.

Some have suggested chemtrails are communications conduits or might be conduits for phase array synthetic aperature radar systems to increase their ‘synthetic’ focal lengths.

The time of chemtrail appearance in the late 90s was not coincident with any jet aircraft operational characteristics which might coincide with natural condensation formation.

Many USAF flag rank officers at the time in command billets and research billets recognized the phenomenon but were not cognizant of any natural phenomenon explaining their appearance.

Additionally, the natural environmental damage caused by such prolific activity associated with commercial jet aircraft operations could easily justify significant regulation on the industry, unless protected by either Executive Order or national defense and homeland security.

Their appearance also coincided frequently with operational planning milestones such as 15 and 30 day increments after and preceding major international affair decision points, which lends itself as consistent with the conspiracy theories associated the phenomenon with intelligence or military operations after Open Sky treaties were implemented.

Sometimes the best security is hiding in wide open with eyes wide shut.


15 posted on 12/04/2008 12:37:56 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

This guy Martin has been tricking the chemtrail people to believing he predicts chemtrails on his site ChemtrailAlert.com
He’s predicting contrail formation dynamics. That alone is bloody evil but genius.


16 posted on 12/04/2008 12:40:41 AM PST by JohnJeykis
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To: JohnJeykis

http://geo.arc.nasa.gov/sge/jskiles/fliers/all_flier_prose/cirrusclouds_jensen/cirrusclouds_jensen.html


17 posted on 12/04/2008 12:46:09 AM PST by jedi150
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To: JohnJeykis

It’s all baloney! That's only theory. It's like your cellphone will cook your brain slowly, and that theory, too.

I used to leaves in Chicago. During winters the cars, public buses, utility trucks laying salts emit visible white contrails. What is contrail? The streaks of condensed water vapor created in the air by not only to high altitude airplanes but also cars, buses and land transportations. During summer you'll see the same vehicles emitting dark exhaust, yikes. You don't see it in the high altitude airplanes because as you go higher it get colder like minus 40 degrees Celsius at over 30,000 feet, however, you though see on during take off.

So what's the big deal here? Don't fly on airplanes, get rid of your SUVs, don't drive your car, ride the electric train, get along seating with smelly noisy people, etc.? Only the all-knowing Al Gore can fly his Gulfstream 400, Robert Kennedy, Jr., cruise the sky in his private jet; John Travolta pilots his four-engine junkie Boeing 707 across the globe for as often as he wishes? Its okay for China and India pollute the atmosphere.


18 posted on 12/04/2008 12:47:51 AM PST by wannabegeek
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To: JohnJeykis

Ah always newed them new-fangled areoplanes would be trouble. Heck - all the time now ya hear on the Tee Vee how the Jet Stream is bringing in the cold air and wrekin’ my tomaters.


19 posted on 12/04/2008 12:49:58 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: MitchellC

Need to sell something for this EVIL gas emitted into the Atmosphere. Really toxic in a small unventalted area and WILL make you sick.

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1519741


20 posted on 12/04/2008 12:54:08 AM PST by jedi150
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To: jedi150

Mythbusters already busted the myth that farts can kill in enclosed spaces.


21 posted on 12/04/2008 1:00:54 AM PST by JohnJeykis
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To: JohnJeykis
When we breathe out and see our breath on a cold day, we are showing an example of what a jet engine will do in the cold upper atmosphere. All petrochemical combustion releases water vapor. If it is the other derivatives of such combustion that bother us, don't live near a freeway. There is lots of chemistry being arosoled into the atmosphere from freeway traffic: antifreeze drippings, transmission fluid, windshield wiper fluid, car wax, engine oil, tire dust, industrial chemical residue spilled on trucks, garbage truck runoff, auto paint deteriation, detergent residue, and anything that is moved down the freeway that is open to the environmental conditions. The point is that people are not dying faster near freeways than those in rural areas. Paranoia is a psychological condition that can cause more physical problems than the environmental conditions one fears.
22 posted on 12/04/2008 1:03:56 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: JohnJeykis
Chemtrails are not real. That is the bloody point of the article.

Now I just KNOW that you're not telling me that the people who make ChemBuster (TM) are being misleading, are you?
23 posted on 12/04/2008 1:14:47 AM PST by MitchellC (RINO? GTHO.)
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To: MitchellC

Yes. lol. I know you are just screwing with me. You are a non-believer.
Global warming, chemtrails, It’s all for one thing. MONEY.


24 posted on 12/04/2008 1:16:21 AM PST by JohnJeykis
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To: JohnJeykis; All
I guess this is an exercise in convincing SOME of us that the goobermint is NOT conspiring to destroy to Republic organically as well as politically, economically, and socially. WOW.

Let's give Uncle Sam a BIG FAT STAR for this supposed "revelation." You mean we actually are BOHICA without due cause?

Hey - to all of you ridiculing 'Chemtrails', here's a set of dangling keys. Ooooh.....aren't they shiny??

25 posted on 12/04/2008 1:20:17 AM PST by F16Fighter (I do not believe Kenyan-born Presidents are constitiutionally acceptable....YET.)
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To: JohnJeykis

If they were indeed simply condensation trails, Al Gore could have mobilized sufficient environmental regulatory political forces to hold the entire airline industry hostage and probably profiteered off of the issue.

Most Americans don’t work outdoors consistently enough today to intuitively know the difference in the environment from their steadily growing appearance in the late 90s from their nonexistence in the 80s.

I suspect their might be a linkage between ‘global warming’ and ‘chemtrails’ but not so much based upon material harm as much as plausible political power formation. Both phenomenon might be parlayed into political power by their possible linkage to strategic intelligence gathering mechanisms.

‘Chemtrails’ might be too close a linkage for Gore to capitalize off of his inside information from past office. His capitalization of excess heat absorbed by the environment (using systems language) might be parlayed into the ‘global warming’ politics, without risking the same intelligence gathering mechanisms from socialist control as the officeholders change.

IMHO, whomever holds the offices of power, have vested interests not to risk the removal for ‘chemtrails’, so they find their risk less costly than their removal. They are too easy of a target for political manipulation, unless they are integral for more secure future control, for them to not have been made a significant environmental issue.

Chemtrails are not consequent of propulsion technologies, nor of aerodynamic geometries in aircraft design, so their identification and elimination are relatively simple science and engineering problems, but not always simple political problems where their utility might not be as obvious.

Common people might have access to telescopes, but most don’t have mass spectrometers to log the activities around them.

I haven’t seen much CT regarding HAARP recently.


26 posted on 12/04/2008 1:24:00 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
Good, sensible post, but remember:

The goobermint is here to HELP you and I as we bend over for the soap.

27 posted on 12/04/2008 1:24:41 AM PST by F16Fighter (I do not believe Kenyan-born Presidents are constitiutionally acceptable....YET.)
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To: InShanghai

Never fear. A strong antiseptic mixed with this stuff makes it safe to consume. Some good antiseptic is made in Scotland.


28 posted on 12/04/2008 1:28:27 AM PST by cannonball
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To: Cvengr
"I suspect their might be a linkage between ‘global warming’ and ‘chemtrails’ but not so much based upon material harm as much as plausible political power formation. Both phenomenon might be parlayed into political power by their possible linkage to strategic intelligence gathering mechanisms."

BINGO.

And anyone who denies the plausibilty of such a conspiracy just hasn't grasped the absurdity of the concept of 'Carbon Credits.'

29 posted on 12/04/2008 1:28:34 AM PST by F16Fighter (I do not believe Kenyan-born Presidents are constitiutionally acceptable....YET.)
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To: Cvengr

I don’t think Al Gore thought of this one. The theory of chemtrails and the government really annoys me due to the fact I’ve seen them years ago when the theory was not around.

Air traffic is getting dense each year. People are seeing more contrails.


30 posted on 12/04/2008 1:29:06 AM PST by JohnJeykis
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To: JohnJeykis

Good point. It appears there is about 3 times the air-ton-mile traffic today as there was in the early 80s.


31 posted on 12/04/2008 2:10:33 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: D-fendr

Im addicted to dihydrogen monoxide. Once I went 4 minutes without it but just barely survived. Its all in my lungs now....


32 posted on 12/04/2008 3:21:30 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: JohnJeykis

Yep, pure BS squared.


33 posted on 12/04/2008 3:27:56 AM PST by Waco (understand the meaning of illegal???)
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To: MitchellC

You’d be better off with this....

https://www.shamwow.com/index.asp


34 posted on 12/04/2008 3:44:43 AM PST by Adder (typical basicly decent bitter white person)
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To: D-fendr

“Ah, that evil pollutant and primary greenhouse gas, dihydrogen monoxide?”

Don’t forget it directly kills people every day, can be fatal if less than a tablespoon full is inhaled, is a major component of Evil Cheney Torture(tm), and can cause coma or death if too much is consumed internally!

Obviously very nasty stuff. Almost as bad as Republicans.

(The above is sarcastic. I’m sorry if this notice was actually required.)


35 posted on 12/04/2008 3:52:26 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: Adder

You following me camera guy?


36 posted on 12/04/2008 3:59:16 AM PST by MitchellC (RINO? GTHO.)
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To: eclecticEel

aerosoled dihydrogen monoxide has a pH of like what...7??


37 posted on 12/04/2008 4:11:51 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: JohnJeykis

“Better out than in, I always say.”
Shrek


38 posted on 12/04/2008 4:12:51 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: Cvengr

I really don’t know if chem trails exist or not. I have been watching the sky for many years. I do know a con trail when I see one. I never saw one reach from horizon to horizon until about 10 years ago. Something has changed.


39 posted on 12/04/2008 4:23:10 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: seemoAR
re: I never saw one reach from horizon to horizon until about 10 years ago.

The higher you go the colder it is. In the days of pistons and propellers the cruising altitude was much lower than in today's world of super big jet engines. Each engine today is producing many times the ingredients that result in vapor trails produced by the much smaller engines of 30 years ago. Remember when all big jet liners had four engines? Then it was three. Now it's two, and those two are concentrating all of their exhaust in a much smaller area.

Years ago they were also required to fly much more segmented routes from point A to point B as they flew from navigation aide to navigation aide. That's not longer the case. Modern navigation systems let them virtually move a navigation aide to any point they want, so they fly direct from point A to point B. This means they are in the same type of air far longer and if conditions exist for vapor trails then they are in those conditions longer.

These are obviously very simplified examples, but there are good reasons for seeing more and longer contrails these days.

If you go back to the old B-grade Western movies of the mid-40’s, right after WWII, you frequently see vapor trails in the sky above the cowboys and indians. Often they reached from horizon to horizon. These were usually being produced by piston/propeller aircraft.

Just a few thoughts about it.

40 posted on 12/04/2008 5:10:15 AM PST by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: jwparkerjr

Are you sure? B-52 and KC-135 aircraft were flying at those altitudes over 30 years ago. ;o)


41 posted on 12/04/2008 5:27:09 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: JohnJeykis

Pinging Michael Rivero!!!!!


42 posted on 12/04/2008 5:36:04 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (What size shot works best on 4 calling birds?)
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To: seemoAR
Yes they were, but they were precious few of them in flight at any given time compared to what we have up there today with all the scheduled airliners, general aviation and military flights. The first pure jets to get up into that area were the B-47’s and they didn't come along until the late 40’s.

Remember too, the ability to produce a contrail is dependent on the amount of air the engine is aspirating and exhausting. Even those big old radial piston engines on the airliners and military planes 60 years ago ingested very little air compared to one of the huge engines that powers todays biggest twin-engine airliners. The more air they suck in the more they exhaust. I'm not sure of the actual measurements in cubic feet per minute, but it's an amazing amount of air.

As long as the air is sufficiently dry at altitude to take the moisture in the exhaust without having it condense you won't see the vapor. But once the air is saturated the additional vapor condenses and that's the trail we see. I used to work at a major daily newspaper and would ride up on the elevator every day or two with the chief meteorologist from the TV station in the same building and asked him one day what determines if there's a vapor trail. He said he didn't know, but would find out. Wow, he came back in a couple of days and had a detailed explanation, most of which I have long since forgotten. It make perfect sense though. At the time.

Another determinant is how much wind is present at altitude. If there's a stiff breeze, like 70 or 80 knots, then the trail is dissipated very quickly, but if it's calm the trail can linger for an hour or more.

The fuel being burned by today's aircraft is significantly different from that used in the post WWII days, and that could also affect the production of vapor trails.

Whatever, I love them! I've always been fascinated by aviation and it used to thrill me to see those trails way up there when I was a kid in Central Florida in the early 50’s. I guess since I grew up seeing and loving them I don't have the fear of them youngsters might today.

The best trails I ever saw were those produced when a B-36 was being fueled in the air by a KC-97. The combination of the turbine props and pure jets on the B-36, plus the radial engines on the tanker made for a very impressive trail. Not to mention the sound it made. You wouldn't even have to look up to know what was passing overhead, the sound was a dead giveaway. We have a church member, an old fart, who was a crew chief on the B-36, he has some neat stories about that period in aviation. He's still flying, but is about to lose his medical because of his blood pressure. He owns a magnificent Cessna 195 that's used for aerial photography. He keeps promising me a photo shoot on a flight but it's never worked out. I've probably missed the window now.

Sorry to go on and on like this, but it sure brings back memories. MacDill AFB in Tampa, where I lived as a youth, had B-47’s, Globemasters, C-119’s and all sorts of neat aircraft through the years. We lived a tad off the final approach for their long runway and got to see all manner of neat aircraft coming and going. Even saw the Shuttle landing there once when the Cape was weathered in unexpectedly. I would love to see them take a retired shuttle, put it on the back of it's ferry 747 and take it all around the country, landing for a day at any airport big enough to handle it. Maybe it's just me, and the aviation-loving 10-year-old of 1950, but it sure gave me goosebumps seeing it, especially when I had wasn't expecting it! I heard the noise, looked up and there it was!

Thanks for the memories!

43 posted on 12/04/2008 6:39:34 AM PST by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: seemoAR

“I really don’t know if chem trails exist or not.”

Let me give you a helping hand here.

They don’t.


44 posted on 12/04/2008 6:40:53 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: JohnJeykis
Chemtrails are not real. That is the bloody point of the article.

Yep. But the fact that someone actually having to write an article about such a myth is sad. It's like having to write an article proving that Bush and Cheney imploded the World Trade Centers on purpose in order to set up a totalitarian government.

45 posted on 12/04/2008 6:46:29 AM PST by DallasMike
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To: AppyPappy

Proof.


46 posted on 12/04/2008 8:49:17 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: seemoAR

There is no proof of chemtrails


47 posted on 12/04/2008 10:07:41 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: eclecticEel

Hey buddy! Thousands die every year to overexposure to dihydrogen monoxide, usually by asphixiation!

This is series and no laughing matter! :(

:)


48 posted on 12/04/2008 10:10:15 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: AppyPappy

There is no proof they don’t exist. I wrote I don’t know if they exist or not. You made the statement they don’t exist. Prove it. ;o)


49 posted on 12/04/2008 10:45:28 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: Cvengr
Just what you need:


50 posted on 12/04/2008 11:23:59 AM PST by TXnMA (Chief Justice: "To administer this oath would violate my oath to uphold the Constitution.")
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