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Palin, commissioners to sign AGIA license
KFQD 750 ^ | 12/04/2008

Posted on 12/04/2008 12:58:09 PM PST by redk

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To: mnehrling

Is this a way for her to get foriegn relations experience??


21 posted on 12/04/2008 2:55:56 PM PST by noname07718 (Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction-Ronald Reagan 1993)
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To: mnehrling
"The AGIA goes around DC"

FERC has to approve it.

So, Palin is giving TranCanada $500 million to get approval from FERC.

Meanwhile, Conoco-Phillips and BP are planning on building the competing Denali Pipeline, which also requires FERC approval.

Both pipelines are scheduled to have open season in 2010.

22 posted on 12/04/2008 3:02:11 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: thackney
It is my understanding that the North Slope natural gas is either being flared off or re-injected to force oil up for the existing pipeline. If you look at the Western Hemisphere nighttime pictures on APOD, it looks like a good percentage of it is being flared off.

It is also my understanding that royalties are being paid by big oil for all the gas coming out of the ground. Wonder who gets that money?

23 posted on 12/04/2008 3:54:37 PM PST by Western Phil
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It is my understanding that the North Slope natural gas is either being flared off or re-injected to force oil up for the existing pipeline.

Most of the Natural Gas is re-injected to either maintain field pressurization or cycle down and back up as gas-lift to increase oil flow. Some is also used for heat and power generation, a small amount is sold on the North Slope, a very small amount is given to Native Population and a extremely small amount goes to flare (mostly pilot type flare and upset conditions). Oil companies have to pay royalties on all amounts not returned to the field these days so they don't tend to waste it.

If you look at the Western Hemisphere nighttime pictures on APOD, it looks like a good percentage of it is being flared off.

It is not, however the North Slope facilities are lighted like crazy. During the winter it is dark all the time and too cold for high intensity discharge lights (High-pressure sodium, metal halide) to start. The lights have to already be on everywhere you need it to read a gauge, walk safely, calibrate an instrument, etc.

It is also my understanding that royalties are being paid by big oil for all the gas coming out of the ground. Wonder who gets that money?

Most of the North Slope is state land, they get those oil and gas royalties. Some small amount is native, they get theirs, the federal offshore goes to the Feds.

24 posted on 12/04/2008 4:39:54 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: mnehrling
Then they refused to lift regulations or fund it.

What regulations? The same ones still aply with AGIA.

Why should any government fund this private venture for profit?

The AGIA goes around DC,

No. No previous federal regulation can or have attempted to be bypassed.

funds it through the State

Only $500 Million of the +$30 Billion required.

(and returns revenue back to the State)

None of the $500M is repaid and the state revenue is no different than the other proposals.

and bypasses a lot of regulation through the agreement with Canada to cross their territory

None of that is true.

25 posted on 12/04/2008 4:46:08 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Thanks for the good information.


26 posted on 12/04/2008 5:05:22 PM PST by Western Phil
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To: Western Phil
I worked on designs for natural gas compression, recovery, injection, gas lift, pipelines and generation on the North Slope.

And I designed lighting systems. Lots and Lots of lighting systems. Almost as much as heat trace systems.

I am pleased we introduced some changes in the standard designs to minimize wasted lighting with “Dark Skies” models and similar application. Less light cast up and away from where it was needed.

27 posted on 12/04/2008 5:10:31 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Sounds interesting. My pipeline experience was a few morning runs along the Trailways (Wyoming to Beatrice, Nebr., owned by Enron at their demise) gas line being installed 1/4 mile north of my mother's farm in Nebraska.

What's a rough estimate for transmission losses to get the gas from the North Slope to the Canadian network?

28 posted on 12/04/2008 5:30:33 PM PST by Western Phil
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To: Western Phil
What's a rough estimate for transmission losses to get the gas from the North Slope to the Canadian network?

I had seen some numbers before on that. I'll try to find it tomorrow.

29 posted on 12/04/2008 7:09:40 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Western Phil

I found a rule-of-thumb general guideline for estimations.

0.5% of Nat Gas moved by pipeline per 100 miles consumed by the system. 1,715 miles to Alberta for the new line. About 1,800 miles through existing pipelines, perhaps some new to Chicago from there.

Higher pressures and some new designs may result in higher efficiencies, call it about 10% loss from North Slope to Chicago give or take a few percentage points.


30 posted on 12/04/2008 7:25:04 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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