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‘When Does Human Life Begin?’ - Even Earlier Than Many Suppose
NCR ^ | December 7 - 13, 2008 | Susan E. Wills

Posted on 12/04/2008 1:37:22 PM PST by NYer

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To: MrB
After that question, you no longer can even try to POSE as someone of intelligence.

What is it you don't like about that question? We investigate the death of any child if there's any possibility that it may have been the result of negligence or abuse. Drugs like RU486 chemically induce abortion that appears to be a miscarriage.

Are you going to argue that a woman taking such a drug would constitute murder, but it would be wrong to investigate whether that's what happened?

61 posted on 12/04/2008 4:38:44 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Tax-chick
predictable? I had never heard it before except by accident when a Chinese coworker accidentally said it while trying to say the other. I thought it inadvertently clever.
62 posted on 12/04/2008 4:39:15 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: allmendream

The sentiment, that life is about screwing but never about babies, is quite common. I thought that was your point, rather than a misphrasing of the basic statement about life.

My mistake, you get three chuckles and a Guinness, if you’re in the mood to imbibe.


63 posted on 12/04/2008 4:43:53 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Life begins at conception—NOT birth.
Birth is one day in the life of a person who is already nine months old.

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64 posted on 12/04/2008 5:17:33 PM PST by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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65 posted on 12/04/2008 5:18:52 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NYer
Pinged from Terri Dailies


66 posted on 12/04/2008 5:21:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Romulus
And haircuts are murder.

I keep trying to convince my hairdressers of that and they insist on taking off three more inches than I ask.

67 posted on 12/04/2008 5:21:40 PM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: Yaelle
The truth: Every embryo is a potential human being. Yet at least 50% of them, probably much more, depending on the age of the woman who produced the egg, are incompatible with growth beyond the 12th week of pregnancy. Most of that 50% who would not make it, don’t even make the implantation. Some make it a couple weeks, and a very few make it to 11 or 12 weeks.

No. Every embryo is a unique human being dependent on his or her mother for life. The rest is up to God, no matter the age of the mother. That doesn't matter, no matter what the secular world wants us to think.

68 posted on 12/04/2008 5:26:10 PM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: NYer
“When Does Human Life Begin”

Any kid who's ever bought a pack of rubbers knows when life begins. So does any girl who's ever worried about being five days late.

Of all phony issues, this one is the phoniest.

69 posted on 12/04/2008 5:32:21 PM PST by Jim Noble (I have read a fiery gospel, writ in burnished rows of steel)
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To: Jim Noble

Brilliantly succinct. Kudos


70 posted on 12/04/2008 5:35:03 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: yarddog

Precisely.


71 posted on 12/04/2008 5:37:09 PM PST by ukie55
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Put any adult in the wild and they’re not likely to live on their own. Even “being able to live on its own” is a vague standard.


72 posted on 12/04/2008 5:39:59 PM PST by ukie55
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To: MrB
You're talking about what amounts to recognition of citizenship at conception, and the state assuming the same responsibility for and autority over that person from that point as any other child.

It might be comforting to think that it's just that simple, it's all good, and there can't be any unintended consequences, but I don't think it is.

73 posted on 12/04/2008 5:40:38 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; MrB

That’s stupid thinking. A miscarriage is not deliberate murder or manslaughter or even accidental in the way manslaughter is sometimes defined.

There’s no intent to kill on the woman’s part when her body is reacting that way beyond her control.


74 posted on 12/04/2008 5:42:26 PM PST by ukie55
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To: Yaelle
The truth: Every embryo is a potential human being.

The truth: Every embryo is a human being with potential.

75 posted on 12/04/2008 5:46:03 PM PST by ukie55
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To: Tax-chick
My Goodness! My Guinness!

Guinness should be the official beer of science. The “students” statistical t-test to determine if a difference between two groups is statistically significant was invented by a “student” at the Guinness Brewery who was asked to determine how to find an “odd” batch of Guinness in order to eliminate it.

Good brewing and good science! ;)

76 posted on 12/04/2008 5:49:12 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: Desdemona

My hairdressers have the opposite problem: they don’t believe me when I say “Short, shorter, shortest!”


77 posted on 12/04/2008 5:55:39 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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To: allmendream

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. (That said, I prefer wine.)


78 posted on 12/04/2008 5:56:35 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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To: tacticalogic

“what amounts to recognition of citizenship at conception”

The U.S. Constitution says you are a citizen when you are born.

(from Article II)No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President

(from Amendment 14)All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.


79 posted on 12/04/2008 5:57:19 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: ukie55
That’s stupid thinking. A miscarriage is not deliberate murder or manslaughter or even accidental in the way manslaughter is sometimes defined.

There’s no intent to kill on the woman’s part when her body is reacting that way beyond her control..

I said "apparent miscarraige". "Crib death" is not murder or manslaughter, and doesn't involve any intent to kill on part of the parents, either. But that death will still be investigated to be sure that's what happened.

Doctors are required to report evidence of child abuse to the police. If a doctor examines a woman and finds what appears to be evidence of a recent surgical abortion, what should he do?

If she has a miscarraige, and blood tests might show evidence of abortificant drugs, can he be required to run those tests and report the results to the police?

80 posted on 12/04/2008 6:01:00 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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