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Canada halts parliament amid row [by order of The Queen]
BBC ^ | 12/4/2008

Posted on 12/04/2008 6:11:15 PM PST by bruinbirdman

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper has won a bid to suspend parliament, blocking an opposition attempt to topple his minority government.

The governor general agreed to Mr Harper's request, unprecedented in the country, after talks.

If the request had been rejected, he would have had to step down or face a confidence vote he was sure to lose.

Opposition parties had called the vote for Monday, accusing the government of failing to shore up the economy.


Acting head of state Michaelle Jean

Governor General Michaelle Jean agreed to prorogue - or suspend - parliament until 26 January when the government is set to present its economic plan.

Ms Jean - the representative of head of state Queen Elizabeth II - has the right to make a final decision on such matters.

"Today's decision will give us an opportunity - I'm talking about all the parties - to focus on the economy and work together," Mr Harper said after the two-and-a-half-hour private meeting.

The Conservatives immediately shut down parliament, ending all debate.

The head of the main Liberal opposition party, Stephane Dion, said he was still committed to bringing down Mr Harper's government unless he makes a "monumental change" in dealing with the economy and other parties.

"For the first time in the history of Canada the prime minister is running away from the parliament of Canada," Mr Dion was quoted as saying by AP news agency.

Opposition New Democrat leader Jack Layton called it a sad day.

"He's trying to lock the door of parliament so that the elected people cannot speak," Mr Layton said. "He's trying to save his job."

Political drama

A prime minister's request to temporarily suspend parliament had never been turned down, but nor had such a request been made

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crown; governorgeneral; parliament; queenelizabeth

1 posted on 12/04/2008 6:11:15 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: Clive

By Order of the Crown.


2 posted on 12/04/2008 6:15:49 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: bruinbirdman
Can she do that for the Electoral College in a couple weeks?
3 posted on 12/04/2008 6:20:40 PM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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To: bruinbirdman
You mean the Canadians still obey a Queen ? No wonder South Park says they are no even a real country .
4 posted on 12/04/2008 6:22:11 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: bruinbirdman

The Queen was not involved.

It’s all very confusing up here for Americans, I know.

:-)


5 posted on 12/04/2008 6:28:49 PM PST by fanfan
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To: bruinbirdman
A prime minister's request to temporarily suspend parliament had never been turned down, but nor had such a request been made when the government was certain to lose a confidence vote.

"There is no precedent whatsoever in Canada and probably in the Commonwealth," constitutional expert Ned Franks told AP news agency. "We are in uncharted territory."


British Bollocks Corporation, IMO. Madame Jean is no fool. The uncharted, but predictable, territory would have been to turn the country over to the three stooges, Dion, Layton, and Duceppe.

Harper wasn't running from an election. That's the last thing the three stooges wanted; Harper would have won handily, likely with a majority, and they knew it - they thought they would pull a fast one and gain power without facing the country, which just rejected them.

Harper and Jean did the right thing, with the country facing severe economic problems. Harper can get right on preparing a new budget rather than wasting a couple of months fighting an election while leaving the country without a government.
6 posted on 12/04/2008 6:42:07 PM PST by caveat emptor
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To: bruinbirdman; fanfan; NorthOf45; Clive
Who pulled the plug?

LOL. I love it when the lefties have their own tactics used against them.

Now its rope-a-dope time. Harper is going to take this coalition apart. The cracks are already beginning to show.

Step 1) Remove stage

Step 2) Erect boxing ring

Step 3 ) Invite each coalition leader to step in one at a time

Step4) Biff, Pow, growl, biff- biff , whine! biff-smack, crack, din ding, ( Care for another round?)

Step 5) ( Dion) Piff-Paff,Oh-yoi!, Collees de tabernach!, Piff-Paff -Paff. whip, whip, Oh Yoi!, Au Secours!Piff Paff! Depeche Toi!, THWACK! THWACK , Non! Non! SMAAAAACAAACK!(Silence) Ding-Ding " Care for another round?"

And so it shall be.

Harper is a master. Watch him work and applaud in glee.

Don't mess with Sargeant Preston and Yukon King!

7 posted on 12/04/2008 6:44:57 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: caveat emptor

New tag line.

Have a great night.


8 posted on 12/04/2008 6:45:12 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: Candor7

LOL, Candor, you’re celebrating for all of us!

Have a good evening.

;-)


9 posted on 12/04/2008 6:47:47 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: SandRat
By Order of the Crown.

Since its Parliament has been shut down by the representative of the British Queen (the "Governor General"), is Canada truly independent and is it technically a monarchy?

10 posted on 12/04/2008 6:53:23 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: fanfan
I will fan.

I swear. The left in Canada is so desperate to keep their hand outs that they are willing to become complete idjits in public. Man did he EVER strike a nerve on the campaign funding issue ( save money in difficult economic times, perfect excuse.)

Harper has them coming FOR him.

Thats actually wonderful strategically.

I just hope that Harper doesn't tire. He will likely need some help in the ring. Who will take a few rounds for him?

LOL.

11 posted on 12/04/2008 6:54:40 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: Repeal 16-17; Clive

That’s a question best answered by clive


12 posted on 12/04/2008 6:54:55 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: bruinbirdman

Long live the Queen!


13 posted on 12/04/2008 6:57:08 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: kbennkc

better a queen than Obama, Reid and pelosi.


14 posted on 12/04/2008 6:57:49 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: fanfan

I’m American and correct me if I am wrong but the Governor-General represents the sovereign of Britain, Queen Elizabeth who is still recognized as the head of state of Canada and is the Executive who signs into law legislation from Parliament. Does she have veto power or is it like in England where the Queen can’t veto.

Now the Governor-General is chosen by Canadians, the British have no say in the affairs of Canada. Am I right about this?


15 posted on 12/04/2008 6:58:58 PM PST by ripcasc
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To: bruinbirdman
It was necessary to prorogue Parliament to halt a coup d'etat. Hopefully, after the holidays, the opposition will come to its senses.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

16 posted on 12/04/2008 6:59:12 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ripcasc
Since 1952, the Governor General is always a Canadian citizen. The GG as the representative of the monarchy, acts only on the advice of the Prime Minister and the Cabinet. It would be a very unusual circumstance where the GG did not follow that advice and the last time a GG refused to follow a Prime Minister's advice was in the Byng-Byng affair in 1926. Its unprecedented to prorogue Parliament but these are unprecedented circumstances.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

17 posted on 12/04/2008 7:03:14 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ripcasc
Canada has been a self-governing country since 1931, when the Westminster Accord made the Parliaments of all the British Dominions equal in status with the Imperial Parliament in London.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

18 posted on 12/04/2008 7:05:36 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Repeal 16-17; SandRat

Hope this helps:
‘The role of the governor general dates back nearly 400 years to 1608 when Samuel de Champlain acted as the governor of New France. He established what has become the oldest continuing public office in Canada.

Canada became a country at Confederation in 1867. Our system of government is a parliamentary democracy and a constitutional monarchy. Queen Elizabeth II is Queen of Canada and Head of State. Sworn in on September 27, 2005, the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean, 27th Governor General since Confederation, represents the Crown in Canada and carries out the duties of head of State.”

link: http://www.gg.ca/gg/rr/index_e.asp


19 posted on 12/04/2008 7:05:41 PM PST by exg
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To: Repeal 16-17

With consent of the GG, Queens rep. Not sure what Harper could have done (perhaps nothing, strictly legally) had the GG tried to let the stooges in, but Harper’s a smart, tough guy. That said, it would be much harder for Canada to get stuck with the likes of Obamah, especially the way that went down. IMO.


20 posted on 12/04/2008 7:12:38 PM PST by caveat emptor
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To: Candor7

I’d take a punch for him.

He’s a good man.


21 posted on 12/04/2008 7:13:53 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: Repeal 16-17
Since its Parliament has been shut down by the representative of the British Queen (the "Governor General"), is Canada truly independent and is it technically a monarchy?

Canada is an independent de facto and de jure Constitutional monarchy with the Canadian Monarch, or, in her absence, her appointed representative, exercising the authority of the Crown on the advice of Crown ministers who have the support of a Parliament elected directly by the people.

22 posted on 12/04/2008 7:15:03 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: ripcasc
She can't veto.

Now the Governor-General is chosen by Canadians, the British have no say in the affairs of Canada. Am I right about this?

Sort of.
The GG is chosen by the Prime Minister, and this one was chosen by the Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin.

We peons don't get a vote on the GG.

23 posted on 12/04/2008 7:18:28 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: Repeal 16-17
Since its Parliament has been shut down by the representative of the British Queen (the "Governor General"), is Canada truly independent and is it technically a monarchy?

Yes, it is a Constitutional Monarchy that is independent. The Queen of Canada is Elizabeth II. While she is outside the country the Governor-General is her representative.

The Queen of Canada also happens to be the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. She is also the Queen of 15 other independent states.
24 posted on 12/04/2008 7:22:54 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: fanfan
The GG is chosen by the Prime Minister, and this one was chosen by the Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin.

The GG is appointed by the Queen on advice of the Prime Minister.
25 posted on 12/04/2008 7:25:14 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Arkinsaw
The Queen of Canada is Elizabeth II. While she is outside the country the Governor-General is her representative.

Has Queen Elizabeth II ever visited Her kingdom in Canada?

26 posted on 12/04/2008 7:27:26 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Repeal 16-17
Has Queen Elizabeth II ever visited Her kingdom in Canada?

Yes, she has toured there, opened Parliament, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_tours_of_Canada_in_the_20th_century
27 posted on 12/04/2008 7:33:57 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: fanfan
I'll step up too , we can draw straws?

LOL.

We could design an on line computer game using templates from Celbrity Fight Club, with a House of Commons background. 1 day trail with a one time 10 Loonie subscription. Then we could retire in Costa Rica!

Sgt. Preston and Yukon King can be on the Harper Tag Team.

10,000 hits our first hour out!

28 posted on 12/04/2008 7:34:16 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: Repeal 16-17
Has Queen Elizabeth II ever visited Her kingdom in Canada?

Last visit to Canada was May 17-25, 2005.

29 posted on 12/04/2008 7:36:25 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: kbennkc

from the article: “Ms Jean - the representative of head of state Queen Elizabeth II - has the right to make a final decision on such matters. “

Ms. Jean made the decision.

When in doubt, read the whole story ;o)


30 posted on 12/04/2008 7:38:15 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: Repeal 16-17

24 visits since 1952.


31 posted on 12/04/2008 7:38:55 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Arkinsaw

Can the Governor General refuse to allow a no-confidence vote or void such a vote?


32 posted on 12/04/2008 7:43:03 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Can she do that for the Electoral College in a couple weeks?

***********

Thank you for a great laugh. I needed it tonight. Too funny!

I think we would be better off under the Crown rather than the One, sort of kidding....


33 posted on 12/04/2008 7:44:20 PM PST by RepublicanChick
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To: Arkinsaw
The GG is appointed by the Queen on advice of the Prime Minister.

Which already happened when former PM Paul Martin appointed the current GG....Harper can't just fire her without a constitutional reason.

34 posted on 12/04/2008 7:45:18 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: Candor7

Costa Rica?

I’m in.

You sail?


35 posted on 12/04/2008 7:47:55 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: buccaneer81

Yes, I saw the Queen in a big arena when she came to visit in May 2005. She and her hubby the Duke sat in chairs and watched many dancers and singers perform. I will always remember that she slouched in her chair! Maybe she had a back ache but I always imagined she would sit more upright like Queen Victoria. ;-)

Like the ancient Egyptians used to say, I say facetiously: “O Queen Live Forever” because very few in Canada and the UK want Prince Charles to become King and Camilla to become Queen after Queen Elizabeth passes away!!


36 posted on 12/04/2008 7:53:24 PM PST by plushaye (God Bless Sarah Palin. God Bless Canada.)
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To: Repeal 16-17
Can the Governor General refuse to allow a no-confidence vote or void such a vote?

No.

37 posted on 12/04/2008 7:58:07 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: fanfan
Which already happened when former PM Paul Martin appointed the current GG....Harper can't just fire her without a constitutional reason.

She was not appointed by the PM, she was appointed by the Monarch on the advice of the PM. The PM does not fire her, she serves at the pleasure of the Queen.
38 posted on 12/04/2008 8:34:33 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Repeal 16-17
Can the Governor General refuse to allow a no-confidence vote or void such a vote?

My understanding is that the Governor-General could have ordered new elections, done nothing, or prorogued Parliament (suspended). She chose the third option, apparently seeing it as least intrusive. It is tradition for her to follow the advice of the government which in this case was to suspend.
39 posted on 12/04/2008 8:36:46 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Repeal 16-17
Repeal 16-17 wrote:
"Can the Governor General refuse to allow a no-confidence vote or void such a vote?"

No

In 1867, When the British North America Act was passed by the British parliament to create a confederation out of certain British North American colonies, the office of Governor General was given certain reserve powers in his capacity as representative of both the Crown and the British government (which are not the same). The intent was that the confederation and its provinces were to be autonomous but within the Empire an the reserve powers were to preserve the interests of the Empire in the event of a conflict arising.

As a fallout of the 1926 King-Byng Wing-Ding, Canada proposed to an Imperial Conference in 1926 that the Governor General be answerable to Canada alone and not to the British Government. This conference resulted in a declaration to the effect that British Empire jurisdictions that achieve Dominion status acquire full sovereignty independent of the British Government. The Governor General then became the representative of the Crown alone, and not of the UK government or of any of its ministries.

The Empire became effectively the British Commonwealth which grew as each colony achieved independence. The Monarch became monarch of Canada and the various other dominions independent of its status as the British monarchy.

Another fallout of the King-Bing Wing-Ding was that Governor General's powers effectively became a legal fiction.

Although the reserve powers are still in the statute, conventional practice is that the Governor General cannot refuse to prorogue parliament, or to drop the writ for an election or to call parliament back from recess, when the Prime Minister requires it to be done.

Should the Governor General attempt to exercise her reserve powers over the objection of the Prime Minister, it would result in a major constitutional crisis and the Governor General would lose in any such contest.

I am grossly over-simplifying.

40 posted on 12/04/2008 8:43:55 PM PST by Clive
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To: bruinbirdman
A prime minister's request to temporarily suspend parliament had never been turned down, but nor had such a request been made

LMAO!!

41 posted on 12/04/2008 8:49:33 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: goldstategop
Hopefully, after the holidays, the opposition will come to its senses.

Wow, I wouldn't hold my breath on that... These leftists are just the Canadian version of our own scumbags, the Democrats. They will use the holiday break only to fine-tune their strategy and intensify their efforts to remove Harper.

42 posted on 12/04/2008 8:54:06 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: goldstategop; fanfan

Wow, thank you two for shedding light on this. I took a Canadian History class in college but forgot about how the GG works in Canada.


43 posted on 12/04/2008 8:57:04 PM PST by ripcasc
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To: Repeal 16-17

Not once the vote is put to the House. And technically the Prime Minister serves at the Governor General’s pleasure, the requirement being the PM has the confidence of the Parliament


44 posted on 12/04/2008 9:59:39 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: fanfan

You sail?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Funny you asked.

Yes, passionately.

Mostly in the tropics.

I am one of only a few who has played the pipes from the bow,up to a mooring buoy off the harbor on St. Johns in the Virgin Islands. They knew we had arrived, and immediately were invited to play at a wedding taking place on shore within the hour. What a party!Thats what I like about sailing.


45 posted on 12/04/2008 10:47:28 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: Lancey Howard
BBC Article said:
"A prime minister's request to temporarily suspend parliament had never been turned down, but nor had such a request been made"

Lancey Howard wrote: "LMAO!!"

Aunties understanding of Canadian political history is a bit imperfect.

Harper caused parliament to be prorogued in August 2007 to prevent Royal Assent of a bill that the opposition had combined to pass that would have unrealistically required Canada to implement the Kyoto accord, something which Grit governments had failed to do over more than a decade. Prorogue kills any unfinished business on the Order Papers of both the House and the Senate and kills any Bill that has been passed but had not yet received Royal Assent.

Also, the Grits beloved 'ti Jean had more than once used prorogue for partisan political purposes, the latest having been to attempt to frustrate timely delivery of an Auditor General's report on the sponsorship scandal.

46 posted on 12/05/2008 4:22:44 AM PST by Clive
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To: Arkinsaw

Thanks for the correction.


47 posted on 12/05/2008 4:50:36 AM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: ripcasc

You’re welcome.

:-)


48 posted on 12/05/2008 4:51:05 AM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: Candor7

Wonderful!

Do you keep a boat down there somewhere?


49 posted on 12/05/2008 4:52:16 AM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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