Skip to comments.Automakers gearing up for electric cars
Posted on 12/04/2008 11:56:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Now that automakers are all busy gearing up to make electric vehicles, consumers should be getting a choice of roomy, speedy, gasoline-free models that charge up at a standard 110-volt socket.
So when will those cars roll out of factories so plentifully that prices drop to what ordinary people can afford?
That was the question at the Electric Drive Transportation Association conference and exhibition in Washington this week, and on Capitol Hill as well, as the Big Three automakers made a pitch for aid. The recession, the credit crunch and the dominance of oil-driven transportation will make it difficult.
However, automakers see the future more gas price spikes, diminishing oil resources, the need to cut carbon dioxide to prevent climate catastrophe. They also see an incoming president, Barack Obama, who as a senator co-sponsored a plan to give tax credits for electric vehicles and now calls for 1 million plug-in, hybrid, made-in-America cars that get up to 150 miles per gallon.
As part of their pitch to Congress, Ford, Chrysler and General Motors promised to push ahead with electric vehicles, even though theyre money-losers now. Ford this week, for the first time, announced details of what it has in the works for electric-drive vehicles, including a battery-electric van slated for commercial fleet use in 2010 and a battery-electric sedan in 2011.
Japan is going electric, too. Mitsubishi, for example, plans to launch its small iMiEV electric car next summer and test it in California, Europe and in New Zealand. Nissan plans a Real Car with a 100-mile range that it promises will meet all highway safety tests and offer all the hot gizmos such as GPS and heated seats.
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The Big Three shouldn’t be gearing up for electric cars; they should be gearing up for bankruptcy.
oh we also need more electricity. a lot of it comes from coal.
That's where you're wrong, my friend. It comes out of the wall.
Not to mention the personal spaceship, the jetpack, and free healthcare in popsicle form.
Imagine a solar storm during rush-hour...
While Obama gears up to eliminate power sources.
Get prepared to pay road taxes on your heating bill. Or AC. or lighting. Cause without gas revenues the taxes have to come from some place. Or more tickets for going 2mph over the limit.
I am looking to replace my car very soon. I am looking at getting a Toyota or Honda. After so many disasters with American cars, I am through. They need to make decent cars and then they might be able to sell them again.
No one will be excited about their new electric car when they figure out what happens when they forget to plug the piece of junk in overnight. Plug-in hybrids make more sense, as they can still make use of the convenience of gasoline, while possibly saving on fuel costs (assuming that the increased purchase price can be recouped).
Interesting. The company is based out of India. Looks like they know how to make a decent car too. I wonder why Detroit can’t.
At 1.8kw max coming from a 120 vac wall socket it would
take 2-3 days to charge.
Didn't you get the memo?
Obama wants to raise the CAFE standard to 45 mpg. I say make it 1000 mpg. Problem solved.
It's just like the Minimum Wage. Make it $100 an hour and everybody's rich.
See how easy that is?
and turkeys come from supermarkets unless they are executed by Alaskan governors.
What year Civic, what config, and what are you getting by way of mileage?
Also, the EPA test is just a guideline against a standardized test to give people some benchmark as to what to expect from a car. A lot depends on driving habits, patterns, use, and other individual factors. For example, I drive fast, but usually manage to better the EPA numbers. My friend drives about as fast and can never seem to be able to match the EPA numbers... on the same exact car I was driving 10 minutes before!
It’s only supposed to get 26mpg. Spend a lot of time idling in traffic?
Also what do they make oil derivatives from, or related components, such as tires, nylon, plastic etc. You know, the saline bags in the hospitals, surgical tubing. or for that matter aspirin and other pharmaceuticals. Do they make this out of (thin) air through a wind turbine or from solar panels.
I think I will keep my gas engines for a while, I can always get parts from the junkyard, sort of like how they kept 1950's vehicles running in Cuba. The alternative, which I would not prefer, if this is going to be come a third world country, may be to immigrate to a place like Brazil where Ford still makes real cars.
“when they forget to plug the piece of junk in overnight.”
I don’t see how this will affect excitement for electric cars, as the idiots who will forget to plug in overnight will be the same idiots who forget to fill their gas tanks now.
For trucks, Semi tractors,dump trucks and other large vehicles, I am interested in the Pickens Plan idea of wind harvesting producing compressed natural gas for use in those larger vehicles.
You ask about the oil derivatives products. Another good reason for not using up all our oil reserves. What will we make our plastics, etc from if our oil is used up in 60 years?
And as for me, last tank I averaged about 30mpg on my eight-year-old Acura 3.2 TL, with a V-6 engine, mostly highway. Even at $4.50 per gallon, that’s only $1.10 more expensive per 100 miles than a Prius at 45mpg.
Toyota’s hybrid price differential is about $2,000, I gather, so in order to save the extra money for the hybrid drivetrain would take about 20,000 miles worth of highway driving. And that’s at $4.50 per gallon!!
Are you ready to put money straight into Nancy Pelosi's pocket with that project? She's a major shareholder in the company. If it was such a good idea, why do they need Nancy Pelosi to push the government to force YOU to pay $100 billion to that company in order to get it done?
I thought that the money for the Pickens Plan was coming from the state of Texas to build transmission capacity from the wind farms in the west of the state to the gas producing areas in the east of the state.
The advantage of a gas engine is that it can be converted to propane, including your RV and there is presumably plenty of methane which would also work. The cows will help since they replaced the plains bison. ( Note: we did not enter a new ice age when the bison were exterminated in virtually a decade by people like Wild Bill Cody and his Ilk.)
Since we cannot produce any new electricity, it takes 10,000 wind turbines according to one estimate to replace one coal fired power plant, an electric car which plugs into a non existent power source is useless.
Slot cars were great. Does anybody do that anymore?
Yup. If you’re looking buy a new car in that price range anyway, the hybrid may make sense... but for most people, once you sit down and crunch the numbers, it just doesn’t.
For those that sit in traffic more than drive, a hybrid can be *very* good.
So who's going to be building all the new walls we're going to need?
According to Susan Berfield of Business Week, Pickens owns the rights to more water than any other American through his firm Mesa Water, and is looking to control even more.116 He hopes to sell about 65 billion gallons of water to Dallas every year, but must first construct a 250-mile pipeline through 650 private properties to do so.117 If he fails to gain access through just one of those properties, the entire pipeline will fail.
When the Texas Legislature convened in January 2007, Mesa Water hired lobbyist J.E. Buster Brown.118 Brown helped secure an amendment to a piece of water legislation that allows a water-supply district to transmit alternative energy and transport water in a single corridor, or right-of-way.119 If Pickens builds a pipeline to deliver water, he can use it to deliver energy from windmills.
Berfield summarizes for Business Week what happened next: Pickens still needed the power of eminent domain if he was going to build his pipeline and wind-power lines across private land. And by happy coincidence, the legislators passed a smaller bill that made that all the easier.120
The bill eased the requirements for creating a water district.121 Originally, five registered voters living within the water district had to be elected as its supervisors.122 But now, the five voters only needed to own land there.123
Pickens sold eight acres of his ranch to five of his employees that summer. Mesa Water then filed a petition to create an eight-acre water-supply district with those five as the directors and sole members.124 The water district was created, so Pickens employees can now use eminent domain proceedings and issue tax-exempt municipal bonds. In April 2008, Mesa Water sent letters that informed landowners in the area that their lands could be condemned by eminent domain if they refuse to sell.125
The same could happen across America if the Pickens Plan is adopted.
Don't be fooled. The Pickens Plan is about the naked brute force of government at the service of millionaires and their crony politicians.
Part of the automaker/union bailout will probably be that everyone will have their house rewired to give them a 500 amp car outlet.
Illegal immigration costs us energy.
Will they come with a free scraper for those -20 day's or an extra battery for heat?
It would be nice for them to declare a tax amnesty for all the people who owe back Federal Taxes, and give them a chance to start over just as they've done for the Mortgage market, the Investment Banks, and now the Big 2 1/2 (I don't consider Chrysler a really viable manufacturer which is a shame as their recent products appear to be excellent automobiles).
The Chevrolet Volt is going to be failure just as the Corvair, Vega, Chevette, and Sprint were.
Ten years ago GM tried to produce through a subcontractor a car called the Solectria.
It was based on the GEO Prizm platform. Sold to utilities and government they largely ran well with many limitations, such as limited range and expensive batteries. You can still buy one for about $15k or more on Ebay as well as the Ford Ranger electric trucks.
The problem will be infrastructure to support the Volt when it makes it to work. Where are you going to plug it in ?
I don’t want an electric car. Does anyone know if there is a ranking of countries by Freedom? I’d like to know which countries offer me the most financial freedom - lowest taxes, smallest government, lowest government debt, fewest penalties for spending money on whatever I want.
American coal, not Saudi or Venezualan or Russian oil
Either that, or he's running gas with ethanol in it.....
Yes, but the Land Rover Defender is a true off-roader. It’s used in safaris in Africa, india and by farmers in the UK. This is no soft-roaders like the Cadillac Escalade
What’s wrong with issuing a challenge for better fuel efficiency? Do you want to go back to the 5/10 mpg cars of the 60s? All those got hit BAAAADDLY during the 70s oil shock. And car makers learnt to make more efficient and yet more powerful cars.
And, there will have to be significant enhancements to the grid to handle the additional load of a significant amount of the fleet going electric. Another thing to consider is what happens when there is an earthquake or an ice storm or a hurricane and there is no electricity for a week or more? I suppose everything comes to a screeching halt.
Don’t recall a lot of plugs in my apt. bldg parking lot. And what about the power grid?
Dumbing down of America, Part 2.
Electric cars go 40 miles and then sit around a few hours being charged. The exhaust eliminated is actually belched out at the electric company’s power plant.
This is one more year the Democrats won’t get the Albert Einstein Intelligence ward.
Since there are 44.6 million shares outstanding I would hardly think a $50,000 to $100,000 investment would make her a major holder.
Lessee, we’re gearing up for lil’ electric toy cars, Obama is destroying the coal (and oil) industry which supplies electricity and other fuels, this is gonna be entertaining.
Our neighbors and we are in agreement to utilize combined pasturage as a woodlot, gardening and for a few horses so one way or the other we’re going to stay a step ahead of the fascist liberals, that is until they drive our horses to the glue factory with flatulance taxes, not to mention fireplace bans and home garden tariffs (we would be in competition with produce retailers you see)....
Lordy, these people are hopelessly insane—and dangerous.
and it will certainly have an added tax because the power grid will have to be expanded and supported and roads have to be kept up.
If you get 40 miles on a "fill up, it means plugging the thing in almost every day.
So here in NY, where it's 23 degrees right now, I have to go out and fiddle with my car BESIDES scraping the windshield and waiting for the thing to warm up.
Something about...If it works, don't fix it...DRILL, DRILL, DRILL
After almost purchasing Toyotas twice in my life, I finally had enough of American car repair bills and bought a 3 year old Toyota a year and a half ago, and have not had any repair expense whatsoever with it. It could not be more reliable so far, and I couldn’t be happier with it. I’ll prolly be sticking with Toyotas from here on out.
My sister, her hubby and daughters, I have watched all driving Hondas for decades, and running them up to in excess of 150K with very low maintenance.