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SCOTUS Re: Obama....Live Thread

Posted on 12/05/2008 6:33:15 AM PST by maineman

I thought we should have a link to post any and all updates.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: bho; birth; birthcertificate; certifigate; colb; donofrio; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; obamatruthsquad; odinga; scotus
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To: koraz
P.S. You really should read about the Chester Arthur case because there are some interesting parallels there. The “scandal” was regarding Arthur's place of birth. With all the focus on this, the real scandal regarding being natural born was missed!
51 posted on 12/05/2008 7:07:37 AM PST by koraz
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To: maineman

Also today...Bank of America board to vote on Merrill Lynch acquisition. Not necessarily a done deal.


52 posted on 12/05/2008 7:07:48 AM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: KarlInOhio
I' like to be shown to be wrong but I have no faith in the courts at any level My bet is that they will treat this will all the legal seriousness one shows when finding a dead hooker in bed in the morning. Lots of panicking, lots of calls to the right people who can make it go away, lots of trying to hide the evidence and lots of nonsensical denials when called to answer for it.

Luckily I am optimistic about them actually ruling on this case. Leo has 3 candidates that are possibly constitutionally unqualified - at least 1 is absolutely proven not to be qualified which could make them angry that someone is not accountable for vetting these people.

Then they will have to determine what natural born actually means. If they do decide that it would be a child born on US Soil to 2 US parents then BO will be disqualified. McCain will have to be determined as well. I'm not sure what rules they will enforce in this issue. They are all issues though. They can't ignore it!
53 posted on 12/05/2008 7:09:39 AM PST by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: gracesdad

It would work best if the MSM was still silent, we do not need them in any respect, they do nothing positive so I am quite glad they are ignoring our mission.

We are getting good results now on the Manchurian Project.

The electoral college is getting more information now and proceedings are in the early stage of changing the political map of America.

Nobody in America is willing to be blackmailed every day for the next 4 or more years because of this liability the American people were led to believe in, we all make mistakes, its human nature, its time to move forward.

By pulling out the splinter now quickly it will hurt but its a better alternative than letting it fester and create blood poisoning.


54 posted on 12/05/2008 7:09:46 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: kidd

Elect Obama says this painful crisis will heal us and he will lead the way with his 2.5 million new jobs. Grab a shovel and a pike. I’ve been working on the highway...
I look awful in orange too!


55 posted on 12/05/2008 7:10:40 AM PST by Boardwalk
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To: littlehouse36
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x258192
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3005000
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x317114

Seems as if the Democrats were caught on their own petard.

PRICELESS.
56 posted on 12/05/2008 7:11:01 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated ([http://www.americanphonic.com -- mp3] [http://www.foundingfathers/info//federalistpapers/])
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To: koraz
You may be correct. My thinking is that the SC knows that this is an issue that won't go away and that will only get worse if it is not addressed prior to Jan 20th. If they think like a chess player they will take on the case now.

..at that, Donofrio's argument is founded on the principle that he was born in Hawaii and there is no issue with the birth certificate. This isn't the case our side is looking for.. imho, this is the weakest of them all.

57 posted on 12/05/2008 7:11:09 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Diogenesis

Nice summary and quite an eye opener!


58 posted on 12/05/2008 7:11:21 AM PST by StarFan
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To: Kerretarded
ROFLMAO!!! I LOVE the BC that looks like it was written by a 5-yr-old!

Ruth Buzzi Ginsburg has already ruled on its complete authenticity...


59 posted on 12/05/2008 7:12:42 AM PST by pookie18 (Jindal-Palin or Palin-Jindal '12)
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To: kidd

Can’t imagine a down vote on Merrill Lynch.


60 posted on 12/05/2008 7:12:42 AM PST by maineman (If McCain had half of my passion...we'd have won.)
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To: maineman

I’m not expecting any real substantial action on this but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the court strongly suggest that Obama clear this issue up.

There are other cases and if Zero doesn’t show the BC I think the court will take this up in a meaningfull way.


61 posted on 12/05/2008 7:13:27 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: pookie18

62 posted on 12/05/2008 7:13:56 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: STARWISE
Supreme Court justices are scheduled to hold a private conference today to consider high court petitions. One that is bringing loads of attention from the media is a case challenging President-elect Barack Obama's citizenship and eligibility for office.

Are they friggin crazy? A case that is bringing loads of attention from the media - this reporter is bonkers!

63 posted on 12/05/2008 7:14:18 AM PST by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: Kerretarded; pookie18
ROFLMAO!!! I LOVE the BC that looks like it was written by a 5-yr-old!

Hee hee! Or a LOLCat!

64 posted on 12/05/2008 7:14:25 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: maineman

This is all so silly. Yeah they’re gonna look at it alright... for five minutes to issue a one page order saying case dismissed.


65 posted on 12/05/2008 7:16:30 AM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Diogenesis


66 posted on 12/05/2008 7:17:25 AM PST by pookie18 (Jindal-Palin or Palin-Jindal '12)
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To: Elle Bee

Move to another Country.


67 posted on 12/05/2008 7:17:48 AM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: gracesdad

Gracesdad, we got it. You don’t think the Court is going to hear it. Neither does talk radio, the mainstream media or the professoriate.


68 posted on 12/05/2008 7:19:03 AM PST by Shady Ray
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To: Boardwalk

Well what exactly do they expect with our government telling the country they’ll rewrite the mortgages for everyone who stops paying theirs? The news should be that 90% of the country haven’t taken the bait!


69 posted on 12/05/2008 7:19:32 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Lee'sGhost
Exactly WHEN can we expect something to break?

It's possible that the Court will announce this afternoon the cases for which it has granted cert. More likely, however, the Court will release a list on Monday of the cases in which it denied cert. Expect this one to be in Monday's list.

70 posted on 12/05/2008 7:21:21 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: marajade

With Justice Thomas having reviewed this AND THEN asked for a hearing...yes, I do think there is something to this.


71 posted on 12/05/2008 7:23:28 AM PST by maineman (If McCain had half of my passion...we'd have won.)
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To: maineman

Yeah a hearing to dismiss it since there are wackos out there who keep filing this stupid thing in the court system wasting tax payers time and money.


72 posted on 12/05/2008 7:24:33 AM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

What is Obama’s repsonsibility? I believe it is to make public the long form vaulted birth certificate. It is his duty to America. He won’t do it. That does not sit right with some Americans.


73 posted on 12/05/2008 7:27:14 AM PST by Boardwalk
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To: marajade

http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/12/05/the-birth-certificate-time-bomb/

Obama supporters have anointed themselves the smartest people on the planet. For this whole Obama birth certificate thing to be true would mean the left would have to admit to being duped, and then ignorant participants in a cover-up. In other words, they would have to admit they were wrong, and most would thrown themselves off a building before doing so.

The media, mostly Obama supporters, clouded their judgment early on by their biased reporting of the primaries through the presidential campaign. IF they were objective, they would have locked on to this early on as they did with McCain. But because they balked at the story and were subsequently scooped by the blogs, their credibility is now hanging in the balance.


74 posted on 12/05/2008 7:27:24 AM PST by mtngrandpa (Fighting the Insurgency at Home)
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To: marajade

Until he produces a BC, I’ll pay, thanks.

My sister, born right here in the USA has a BC and COLB. He needs to produce the BC.


75 posted on 12/05/2008 7:28:37 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Publius Valerius
"More likely, however, the Court will release a list on Monday of the cases in which it denied cert. Expect this one to be in Monday's list."

I just heard that on TV. No news until Monday.

76 posted on 12/05/2008 7:32:38 AM PST by AGreatPer (Telling Obama all the secrets makes me sick)
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To: netmilsmom
Notice the Official Seal
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77 posted on 12/05/2008 7:33:52 AM PST by Canedawg (The media is a ass, a idiot.," said Mr. Bumble.)
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To: gracesdad
This case isn’t even looking at the birth certificate issue. I seriously doubt the court will take it.

I believe that is correct ... but

The court will need some document proving that Obama's father is a citizen of Kenya or Donofrio has no case. Since the Birth Certificate (not the COLB) is the only document that would satisfy them it seems to me that the BC is still THE issue. But of course I'm not a lawyer nor a member of the Supremes.

78 posted on 12/05/2008 7:36:09 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: All

From SCOTUSblog:

Today at the Supreme Court | 12.5.08
Friday, December 5th, 2008 12:00 am | Ben Winograd |

The Justices are scheduled to hold a private conference this morning. Any grants of certiorari could be announced this afternoon, while all other orders are expected to be released on Monday.
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79 posted on 12/05/2008 7:36:16 AM PST by elpinta (Insured by Walther, Glock, Smith & Wesson.)
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To: All

See this — It’s OUTRAGEOUS is the only words I can think of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5OUdj_YIpo


80 posted on 12/05/2008 7:37:19 AM PST by Blu By U
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To: Blu By U

WOW! Where the hell has that video been?


81 posted on 12/05/2008 7:39:39 AM PST by maineman (If McCain had half of my passion...we'd have won.)
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To: Canedawg; lilycicero

LOL, Canedawg!

Dec. 5 ping, lily.


82 posted on 12/05/2008 7:40:49 AM PST by Girlene (Will they or won't they?)
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To: maineman

I found on the freedom march thread post # 173..

Somebody needs to get this to LD..


83 posted on 12/05/2008 7:41:13 AM PST by Blu By U
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To: Boardwalk

“You meant his non-existant dog ate his non-existant birth certificate.”

And it happened while he was on vacation in Kenya helping his marxist cousin. ;-)


84 posted on 12/05/2008 7:43:09 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: veracious
America, meet your new, soon to be, masters. You've allowed your government and monied interests to transfer many trillions of dollars, to your enemies and _friends_ around the world. This wasn't reciprocal, those dollars, representing your wealth, are now theirs.

You've allowed those same dollars to return and influence your government, institutions, news services and corporations, to increase the outpouring of wealth. Those foreign dollars now own large, often controlling shares of said organizations. What used to be your institutions, now make decisions in the best interests of their new owners, not we the peoples.

The new owners refused to allow USA to use its own oil or keep its own manufacturing, preferring to move these essential and profitable items to their homelands. This was done under hundreds of different disguises and proxies agents.

The outpouring of wealth is so vast that now foreigners subtly fund the President and congressional campaigns and there isn't anything that can be done about it. As a matter of fact there nary a word of honest journalism regarding it; new owners hired new editors and journalists.

Now the US Treasury vault, has been thrown open to protect the financial losses of foreign capital invested in USA. Of course there is plenty of plunder for all of those
who've been aiding and abetting the transfer of wealth.

In case it's not obvious, federal agencies (e.g. FEC) and courts at all levels are threatened cajoled and _advised_ by the same influence. I pray the U.S. Supreme Court justices are strong and courageous enough to defend our law and We the Peoples right to a Constitutionally guaranteed, United States government.

85 posted on 12/05/2008 7:44:11 AM PST by veracious
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To: AGreatPer
The reporter I heard on the msm said that the American voters said he was eligible by voting him in. Now, what the hell does that mean?
86 posted on 12/05/2008 7:45:34 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: netmilsmom; LucyT; seekthetruth; unspun; All

Mr. Obama’s Eligibility to be Aired Monday at the National Press Club

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Mr-Obamas-Eligibility-Aired-Monday/story.aspx?guid={35E191D7-D7BD-4722-BAF1-E6C0CBC18EA3}

QUEENSBURY, N.Y., Dec 04, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ — On Monday, December 8, 2008, at 1:30 pm, the We The People Foundation will conduct a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington D.C.

The licensed attorneys who initiated lawsuits in PA (Philip Berg), NJ (Leo Donofrio) and CA (Orly Taitz), challenging Mr. Obama’s legal eligibility to hold the Office of President of the United States, will briefly summarize the facts, legal arguments and status of their cases. They will answer questions from the press.

Prior to the start of the conference, at 10 am, the Supreme Court of the United States is expected to announce whether it will consider applications from these attorneys who have asked the Court to delay the proceedings of the Electoral College pending a determination of the underlying constitutional question - the meaning of the “natural born citizen” clause of Article II of the Constitution and its application to Mr. Obama.

Robert Schulz will briefly discuss Mr. Obama’s response to the publication of his Open Letter in the Chicago Tribune on Monday and Wednesday of this week.

For the reasons given in the Open Letter, Schulz asked Mr. Obama to: (1) immediately authorize Hawaiian officials to provide a team of forensic scientists access to his original (”vault”) birth certificate and (2) arrange for the delivery of other documents needed to conclusively establish Obama’s citizenship status. Mr. Schulz will answer questions from the press.

“Under our Constitution, no one is eligible to assume the Office of the President unless he or she is a ‘natural born citizen,’” said Bob Schulz, Chairman of the Foundation.

“To date, Mr. Obama has refused all requests to release his original birth certificate or other documents that would definitively establish his citizenship status and thus his constitutional eligibility.”

The Open Letter to Mr. Obama summarizes the evidence against Mr. Obama and the adverse consequences that would befall the Nation should he assume the Office of the President as a usurper.

“Should the state members of the Electoral College cast their votes for Mr. Obama in the face of such overwhelming evidence, and without verification of Mr. Obama’s eligibility, they would be committing treason to the Constitution,” said Schulz.

SOURCE We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education, Inc.

http://www.WeThePeopleFoundation.org


87 posted on 12/05/2008 7:46:37 AM PST by STARWISE ((They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: DooDahhhh

LOL!


88 posted on 12/05/2008 7:47:41 AM PST by maineman (If McCain had half of my passion...we'd have won.)
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To: gracesdad; All

“This case isn’t even looking at the birth certificate issue. I seriously doubt the court will take it.”

I’m not a lawyer and don’t know squat. However, haven’t others filed briefs to support this case that mention the BC issue????? Wasn’t there some dude that did, but a clerk routed to be anthrax screened? Didn’t he have to file in in person???

Please bring the ignorant, me, up to date.


89 posted on 12/05/2008 7:49:37 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: maineman

Bump to save my spot:)


90 posted on 12/05/2008 7:49:51 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: jcsjcm
Then they will have to determine what natural born actually means.

I don't think they'll take that issue up. I think they'll only determine whether NJ SOS Wells acted appropriately in vetting the candidates for the ballot. It's legally his/her job according to the laws of NJ, and that's Donofrio's complaint--that no vetting was done, that the SOS office admitted to assuming it had been done, and blindly allowed their electorate to vote on candidates who weren't eligible, thus disenfranchising millions of voters. His case includes three candidates and their eligibility, including McCain. Their only responsibility to the case is to determine whether NJ law was violated. Then, if they determine it was, the whole thing gets kicked back to NJ to properly vet the eligibility of the candidates before electors vote. It will be NJ's job to determine the meaning of natural born and whether Obama is or not. NJ SOS can simply accept the Certification of Live Birth, I suppose, and this will all have been for naught.

Just my 2 cents...but then I'm no Supreme Court Justice or expert. I'm just a citizen with no standing.

91 posted on 12/05/2008 7:50:22 AM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: IrishPennant

That picture is eating my bandwidth, and I have broadband.


92 posted on 12/05/2008 7:50:41 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: maineman

What does he say in the video? I can’t access audio at work.


93 posted on 12/05/2008 7:52:09 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Sola Veritas
Philip Berg is bringing the BC to the Supreme court
Leo Donofrio and Cort Wrotnowski are bringing the natural born citizen into question.

Leo's case is the one that is being heard today. Philip Berg's was on Monday and no decision has been made yet!
94 posted on 12/05/2008 7:52:16 AM PST by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: gracesdad
“I hear many have gathered on the steps of the Supreme Court.” I’ve never gotten why people do this. I seriously doubt demonstrations will affect what the SC does.

Because this is America, and we can do it. Would you prefer the crowd carry pitchforks?

95 posted on 12/05/2008 7:52:33 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: DooDahhhh
Whether he was elected or not, is irrelevant; the people did not _know_ he was ineligible. The DNC and news media hide the information from him.

Further, this the United States of America is not a democracy, where a mere 51% of the people vote to deny lawful rights. Specifically, We the People's right to a lawful, U.S. Constitutionally guaranteed, President (and other branches). The Supreme Court members need to act accordingly.

96 posted on 12/05/2008 7:53:33 AM PST by veracious
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To: DooDahhhh

It means that that reporter works for the propaganda wing of the DNC.


97 posted on 12/05/2008 7:53:47 AM PST by Canedawg (The media is a ass, a idiot.," said Mr. Bumble.)
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To: MomwithHope

I remember hearing Leo say that the Justices begin their Conference at 9:45 Eastern.


98 posted on 12/05/2008 7:54:40 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: KittenClaws

It took me a few tries to get that. :)

BTW, anyone have an approximate time of when their decision will be released?


99 posted on 12/05/2008 7:55:07 AM PST by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: FreeAtlanta
That picture is eating my bandwidth, and I have broadband.

More than glad to pull it if you need me to...

100 posted on 12/05/2008 7:55:42 AM PST by IrishPennant (He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.)
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