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Why the stories about Obama's birth certificate will never die
Salon ^ | 12/5/08 | Alex Kopppelman

Posted on 12/05/2008 9:52:12 AM PST by pissant

Dec. 5, 2008 | Barack Obama can't be president: He wasn't really born in Hawaii, and the certification of live birth his campaign released is a forgery. He was born in Kenya. Or maybe Indonesia. Or wait, maybe he was born in Hawaii -- but that doesn't matter, since he was also a British citizen at birth because of his father, and you can't be a "natural-born citizen" in that case. (But then, maybe his "father" wasn't really his father; maybe his real dad was an obscure Communist poet. Or Malcolm X.)

You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen, his mother Ann, or after Hawaiian state officials confirmed in October that he was born there. You might think the rumors would have died off after was elected by a comfortable margin. Instead, they've intensified. There have been paid advertisements in the Chicago Tribune questioning the president-elect's birth certificate and eligibility, and one group is raising money to run a similar ad on television. The right-wing Web site WorldNetDaily has been reporting on the issue almost non-stop. Numerous plaintiffs have filed lawsuits in various states. And Friday, the Supreme Court's nine justices will decide whether they want to hear one of those suits, which also contends that John McCain, born in the former Panama Canal Zone, does not meet the Constitution's requirements to hold the presidency.

The people hoping this is a sign the court will agree with them and stop Obama from becoming president are almost certain to be let down. The fact that the case has gone to conference doesn't mean anything about its merits -- the court will also be

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; choomgang; larrysinclairslover; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile
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The ONLY conspiracy here is Obama hiding his BC. Demanding proof of natural born citizenship IS NOT A CONSPIRACY, it is a REQUIREMENT for the damn office.
1 posted on 12/05/2008 9:52:12 AM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Regardless of what the SCOTUS does this needs to be addressed by CONGRESS.


2 posted on 12/05/2008 9:53:47 AM PST by LiberConservative
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To: pissant

In then end, Obama will say that if previous 42 men who have been president did not produce their birth certificate, that he will not produce his.


3 posted on 12/05/2008 9:55:05 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: pissant

So true.


4 posted on 12/05/2008 9:55:34 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: LiberConservative

Hey Alex get a clue. The Hawaiian Officials NEVER stated he was born there!


5 posted on 12/05/2008 9:56:39 AM PST by Joe Marine 76 (God Save the Republic and God Bless the United States Marines!)
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To: pissant

Cowardice drives the naysayers plain and simple. Fear of what will happen if something is done.


6 posted on 12/05/2008 9:58:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: pissant
...Hawaiian state officials confirmed in October that he was born there...

There they go again.
7 posted on 12/05/2008 9:58:58 AM PST by ComputerGuy (not my real name)
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To: pissant

Isn’t withholding the valid birth certificate a cover-up which, in turn, amounts to obstruction of justice because it perpetuates a fraud?


8 posted on 12/05/2008 9:59:21 AM PST by quintr
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To: ComputerGuy

Every single time they toss out this false canard.


9 posted on 12/05/2008 9:59:25 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
The people hoping this is a sign the court will agree with them and stop Obama from becoming president are almost certain to be let down

Its not about that. Just show the birth certificate, and answer two questions: what nationality to he claim when he applied to college, and what passport did he travel on when he went to Pakistan.

Its easy. Just do it so we can all go about our business.

10 posted on 12/05/2008 9:59:43 AM PST by marron
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To: Joe Marine 76
Hey Alex get a clue. The Hawaiian Officials NEVER stated he was born there!

I, too, am SO tired of that misinformation being repeated in every story written on this.

11 posted on 12/05/2008 9:59:49 AM PST by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: pissant
You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen, his mother Ann, or after Hawaiian state officials confirmed in October that he was born there.

You might think that proof would consist of more than a badly forged digital image.

And state officials didn't confirm that he was born there. They can't say what they have due to privacy issues.

The longer this goes on, the more and more it is becoming apparent that Obama either isn't qualified constitutionally to be President or Obama has lied horribly about some aspect of his past.

12 posted on 12/05/2008 10:00:06 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: proud American in Canada

It is obviously very important to their cause to repeat this misinformation over and over again.


13 posted on 12/05/2008 10:00:24 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: pissant
"Hawaiian state officials confirmed in October that he was born there."

Someone should offer Slate a million dollars to provide such a quote from Hawaiian officials saying he was born there. I am trying so hard to stay off this birth certificate issue...but these constant lies are pulling me in.

14 posted on 12/05/2008 10:01:03 AM PST by icwhatudo
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To: pissant
Or maybe Indonesia.

Who has ever said that he may have been born in Indonesia?

People have to make up "facts" when the real ones don't look good for them.

15 posted on 12/05/2008 10:01:05 AM PST by Onelifetogive (I'm gonna drop talk radio in favor of some audio books. Gotta lower my blood pressure.)
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To: pissant
I will leave it to others who keep pace with the latest developments in this controversy to comment on the discrepancies which even I noticed in the author's remarks. I will be content simply to observe that the whole article is written to foreclose further inquiry, to justify not releasing the original vault copy of the birth certificate.


16 posted on 12/05/2008 10:01:16 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: cripplecreek

Since they are so DAMN SURE that the marxist was a natty-born baby, they should be fully confident nothing will happen except to make us so called conspiracy nuts look like fools. Seems to me they would like that to happen.....so why aren’t they pushing for Obama to release his vault copy?


17 posted on 12/05/2008 10:01:51 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
Come on...Salon knows that if they don't change the Constitution for Erkel the Dem party elites will vote in Hillary. Pubbies are not pushing this. Look for a certain mob of people directly in front of you ....maroons.
18 posted on 12/05/2008 10:01:59 AM PST by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: Joe Marine 76
Yep! Only that his birth was REGISTERED there.

How much you wanna bet that Long form certificate has an ADDRESS listed on it, and only one illegible witness signature?

LOL

19 posted on 12/05/2008 10:02:25 AM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: nathanbedford

Funny how there have been numerous such articles in the lefty media in the last few days. Axelrod’s fax machine must be working again.


20 posted on 12/05/2008 10:02:50 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: MrB; Joe Marine 76; ComputerGuy; pissant; All
It is obviously very important to their cause to repeat this misinformation over and over again.

Yes. It's becoming clear there is something very wrong and they're desperate to cover it up.

21 posted on 12/05/2008 10:02:51 AM PST by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: trumandogz
In then end, Obama will say that if previous 42 men who have been president did not produce their birth certificate, that he will not produce his.

And Kerry will use the same rationale to refuse to sign the 180.

22 posted on 12/05/2008 10:03:55 AM PST by freespirited (Honk to indict the MSM for treason.)
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To: pissant
You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen, his mother Ann, or after Hawaiian state officials confirmed in October that he was born there.

None of the above is true.

23 posted on 12/05/2008 10:04:37 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: LiberConservative

Its a dumblecrat congress...what are they going to do except say “move along...nothing to see here....”?


24 posted on 12/05/2008 10:07:30 AM PST by Adder (typical basicly decent bitter white person)
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To: icwhatudo

Perhaps an all-out effort by the Republicans to get the a majority in the Hawaii legislature in 2010....and pass a law that all birth certificates are open per view of any county judge who requests a view. This would really tear up the Obama legend.


25 posted on 12/05/2008 10:08:34 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: pissant
Both parties deprecated war; but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive; and the other would accept war rather than let it perish. And the war came .... Fondly do we hope -- fervently do we pray -- that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away.

Abraham Lincoln--March 4, 1865
26 posted on 12/05/2008 10:09:07 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: pissant

This should be sooo simple that even a Dem could do it...just show your BC, Barack. That’s all there is to it.

The hard part is to show one that hasn’t been altered in any way.


27 posted on 12/05/2008 10:10:49 AM PST by whatshotandwhatsnot
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To: pissant
You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen,

Why isn't the "proof" passing muster with the courts? If he HAS released his birth certificate, there would be nothing to obstruct.

Lies by omission are designed to bend the truth.

28 posted on 12/05/2008 10:11:00 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: Don Corleone

Donofrio’s contention is that Obama was born in Hawaii, but not a natural-born citizen and thus not eligible to become POTUS. Stop with the doubt about the place of Obama’s birth. We accept that Obama was born in Hawaii. Now how do you answer the question that Obama was a natural-born citizen if his father was a British subject at the time?


29 posted on 12/05/2008 10:11:52 AM PST by techno
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To: trumandogz
In then end, Obama will say that if previous 42 men who have been president did not produce their birth certificate, that he will not produce his.

I may not be asked to show my driver's license when I enter a bar in Texas but I'd better be prepared to show it per state law.

30 posted on 12/05/2008 10:12:24 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: pissant

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I think we deserve a couple of memes that we can drag through the Obama presidency.


31 posted on 12/05/2008 10:13:07 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (Do not read this tagline.)
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To: SlowBoat407

The left deserves to have their president treated with the same respect that they showed.


32 posted on 12/05/2008 10:14:19 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: techno

We accept that Obama was born in Hawaii
***Who’s “we”?


33 posted on 12/05/2008 10:15:12 AM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: MrB

34 posted on 12/05/2008 10:16:25 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: pissant

Any word on how the vigil at the SCOTUS is going? Are you in touch with Freepers Beckwith and RaginApache? Thanks!


35 posted on 12/05/2008 10:17:19 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: icwhatudo
Someone should offer Slate a million dollars to provide such a quote from Hawaiian officials saying he was born there. I am trying so hard to stay off this birth certificate issue...but these constant lies are pulling me in.

Come on, jump in with both feet. There may be little chance of removing him but he's obviously hiding something big and the media is trying its best to cover for him. He deserves a big scandal to taint his illegitimate presidency.

36 posted on 12/05/2008 10:17:36 AM PST by TheThinker (It is the natural tendency of government to gravitate towards tyranny.)
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To: cripplecreek
Cowardice also drives those so-called conservatives here on FR who think we should just let this issue slide because they're afraid of riots.
37 posted on 12/05/2008 10:17:57 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: seekthetruth

I’m not in touch with those guys. I’m also not confident about Donofrio’s contentions, similar to Judah Benjamin’s on Texas Darlin. I’m more confident in the COLB is a forgery angle and the need for him to produce a vault copy BC.


38 posted on 12/05/2008 10:22:15 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: weegee

Yes, there is a law in Texas that states that people must be 21 to purchase alcohol but there is no law that states that everyone who buys alcohol must show proof that they are of drinking age.

However, the Ledge will go into session next month and you are free to write your State Rep and ask him to propose such a law.

And you are also free to write Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson and ask her to propose a law that would require President-Elects to show their BC before they are sworn into office.

And you are free to write letters to Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia. Thomas and Alito and chastise them for refusing the Donofrio case.


39 posted on 12/05/2008 10:25:45 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: pissant

“Demanding proof of natural born citizenship...is a REQUIREMENT for the damn office.”

That’s the whole problem, isn’t it? The COTUS states the qualifications but remains silent on what evidence is needed
and who certifies the qualifications and when and how.

I think the SCOTUS should clear this up now and set a precedent.


40 posted on 12/05/2008 10:26:18 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: trumandogz

No, I just have reason to believe that Obama is Constitutionally qualified to serve as president.


41 posted on 12/05/2008 10:28:18 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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“I’m more confident in the COLB is a forgery angle and the need for him to produce a vault copy BC.”

Yes, that is the angle the Keyes’ case is taking. Hopefully his case will also make it to the Supreme Court. Time will tell.


42 posted on 12/05/2008 10:29:36 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: swain_forkbeard

Me too.


43 posted on 12/05/2008 10:29:37 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: techno

If, as you say, Obama was born in Hawaii, which was then a State, his parentage doesn’t matter. He’s a US Citizen. The only exceptions are for those not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, for example, born to foreign embassy personnel, born on a foreign warship. Source: 14th Amendment; Immigration and Nationality Act.

This also explains why so many pregnant women from Mexico are desperate to deliver their children in the US.


44 posted on 12/05/2008 10:30:09 AM PST by DPMD (~)
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“The fact that the case has gone to conference doesn’t mean anything about its merits “

This is wishful thinking on Salon’s part. The fact that it has gotten past the first hurdle is important. SC judges just don’t take cases for the fun of it. Now that it is in the system, anything can happen.


45 posted on 12/05/2008 10:30:47 AM PST by Brookhaven (The Fair Tax is THE economic litmus test for conservatives)
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To: trumandogz

As bad as I hate to admit, you are probably correct.

If any government body requires him to show a BC, he will play the race card.

I know that McCain, Michelle, Biden, and Palin have supposedly released their BC, but were they the long forms?


46 posted on 12/05/2008 10:30:47 AM PST by hsrazorback1 (Seek truth.)
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To: pissant

They’ll die as soon as he releases his birth certificate.


47 posted on 12/05/2008 10:31:04 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: pissant

“The ONLY conspiracy here is Obama hiding his BC.”

No, that may not be the only conspiracy.

That he is constantly being protected by the courts and Congress may be even a greater and more ominous conspiracy that will affect the entire nation.

If this controversy is not resolved by inauguration time, we’ll know that this country is broken. Not so much by Obama alone, but by his supporters and the courts who act against the welfare of this nation.


48 posted on 12/05/2008 10:31:32 AM PST by 353FMG (The sky is not falling, yet.)
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To: techno

“Donofrio’s contention is that Obama was born in Hawaii, but not a natural-born citizen and thus not eligible to become POTUS. Stop with the doubt about the place of Obama’s birth. We accept that Obama was born in Hawaii. Now how do you answer the question that Obama was a natural-born citizen if his father was a British subject at the time?”

That’s my reading on why this one was accepted by the court (and the others rejected.) It goes back to the original meaning of “natural born citizen” as the founders understood it. Born on US soil AND BOTH PARENTS WERE US CITIZENS AT THE TIME OF BIRTH.

Not that it matters what we argue, the court understands the issue. It does get tiring to hear people argue about his birthplace when that isn’t the issue at hand.


49 posted on 12/05/2008 10:38:22 AM PST by Brookhaven (The Fair Tax is THE economic litmus test for conservatives)
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To: pissant

Because lots of people don’t want him to be president.


50 posted on 12/05/2008 10:42:46 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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