Skip to comments.Why the stories about Obama's birth certificate will never die
Posted on 12/05/2008 9:52:12 AM PST by pissant
Dec. 5, 2008 | Barack Obama can't be president: He wasn't really born in Hawaii, and the certification of live birth his campaign released is a forgery. He was born in Kenya. Or maybe Indonesia. Or wait, maybe he was born in Hawaii -- but that doesn't matter, since he was also a British citizen at birth because of his father, and you can't be a "natural-born citizen" in that case. (But then, maybe his "father" wasn't really his father; maybe his real dad was an obscure Communist poet. Or Malcolm X.)
You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen, his mother Ann, or after Hawaiian state officials confirmed in October that he was born there. You might think the rumors would have died off after was elected by a comfortable margin. Instead, they've intensified. There have been paid advertisements in the Chicago Tribune questioning the president-elect's birth certificate and eligibility, and one group is raising money to run a similar ad on television. The right-wing Web site WorldNetDaily has been reporting on the issue almost non-stop. Numerous plaintiffs have filed lawsuits in various states. And Friday, the Supreme Court's nine justices will decide whether they want to hear one of those suits, which also contends that John McCain, born in the former Panama Canal Zone, does not meet the Constitution's requirements to hold the presidency.
The people hoping this is a sign the court will agree with them and stop Obama from becoming president are almost certain to be let down. The fact that the case has gone to conference doesn't mean anything about its merits -- the court will also be
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I wouldn’t give that much credence to the Media,DNC,et.al.,
knowing much of anything. That, after all, is the hallmark of who they are.
I’m not sure but I am sure John Roberts and the other eight justices will have an answer.
Please don’t tell us what we are free to do. I understand that you are being sensible and realistic. However, with this attitude we would still be British subjects, petitioning the king!
Linda Lingle had a fantasy about winning the lower house in 2004. Didn’t come close to happening.
Now there are hardly any Republicans in the legislature.
It’s like Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
The Socialist candidates case didn’t come up because he didn’t win. Based on the other cases, prior to winning nobody has “standing” to contest on the “natural born” grounds - which is a pretty silly idea to my mind. Perhaps one of the other candidates in the election would have had “standing” ?
But as for the law - effectively the law is what its current interpretation is, not what we think it is or would like it to be. It seems to me that the wording in the Constitution can be interpreted in a broad sense, given that there is very little precedent. The meaning would be whatever the current case establishes, if it comes to that.
I think it would be very difficult to solidly establish original intent in this case as there is no real precedent.
And then there is the fact of changes in social structure via the law since then. Original intent could call for only the father being qualified to pass on citizenship for instance (”both parents” is an absurd requirement, even for “original intent”. That was never the custom.). These days it would be absurd to deny the mother the ability to pass on citizenship also.
The whole business is highly unsettled it seems.
I have no idea why he dormed with anyone. He went to school with Americans (in Hawaii) for almost his whole life. Possibly he thought hanging with the foreigners was cool ? There is a considerable desire among American students in UC Berkeley to be dormed at International House for instance.
My point about his 40 years here is that HE thinks he is American. The idea floating around about him having pre-existing allegiances to any other country (dating from the age of 7 ?) are absurd. This is a matter about the letter of the law, not such silly speculations. I don’t like him at all, and I wish he had stayed in Hawaii or Chicago, but lets be rational critics. I am afraid that he is an American leftist, not a foreign leftist.
The Constitution is not a bit clear about this - or a lot of other things. Sometimes original intent IS clear, when you have precedents from the period, but not here. If a case is brought before the Supreme Court they will clarify for the first time the meaning of “natural born”.
Rev Manning on Plains now. Leo to be on later.
Well, the problem as far as we are concerned is in fact what the public thinks, in this and every other matter. We have no ability to create our reality. The law will be what the public thinks in this case.
It does not matter a hill of beans what Freepers think. We can gripe to each other all day for the next four years and it still won’t matter. Best is to come up with something the public will buy, not just Freepers.
Yeah, winning the HI legislature isn’t going to be happening anytime soon. The HI House has gone from 32D-19R in 2000 (under Dem Gov. Cayetano, its high water mark in the recent era) all the way down to 45D-6R with this election (essentially tying MA for a GOP non-entity). Even worse, the Senate now has just 2 Republicans, down from the 5 it had won since 2002 (it had lost 1 in ‘07), so it is even lower a percentage in the Senate than in the House (8% of the body).
Lingle has been unable to turn it around. The GOP hasn’t held the majority in either body since just prior to statehood in the ‘50s. At one point, the GOP had an even smaller presence than it does now and came very close to being the first state in the nation outside the South in the modern era to have no Republicans in a legislative body.
It’s remarkable Lingle can even govern under such circumstances, as the obscene Dem majorities could rule without her input and reduce her to figurehead status.
It can be solved simply.. Put the rumors to rest. Just release the Birth Certificate so we can all believe you are a legitimate President of the U.S.
An unbiased reporter MAY have written that. This reporter said:
He was born in Kenya. Or maybe Indonesia.
Today, neither has delivered on that promise, because both would rather be liked by Democrat politicians at state cocktail parties than force real change. Arnie tried a series of half-ass "reforms" that didn't have a prayer of passing, including some really off the wall stuff, and so did Lingle (perhaps the silliest proposal being her plan to ship all criminals across the pacific ocean to prisons on the mainland in order to deal with the prison overcrowding issue on Hawaii without having to build new prisons). The "Republican Main Street Partnership" -- the premier RINO breeding ground in the U.S. -- has only two Governors who are card carrying members. Guess who? Yep, Arnie and Linda. Not even that annoying Conn. RINO is a member.
The hopes that Arnie and Linda had of campaigning across the state with like-minded "moderates" who would get elected on their celebrity coattails didn't work, because voters choose the real Democrat when their choices were Dem and Dem lite. So in both Hawaii and California, the situation is Dems control the legislature by lopsided margins for the foreseeable future, and every statewide office except the Governorship. As usual, RINOs deliver for no one but the left.
There are some differnces of course -- Arnie is a numbskull and Lingle is a bright speaker, Arnie is a showman and Lingle is an actual politican -- and of course Arnie PLAYS a tough and "manly" act, where Lingle has Charlie Crist syndrome (constantly being the subject of whisper campaign in her own party that she's a closet homosexual), but what it all boils down to at the end of the day is they are both ineffective RINOs.
The sole bright spot Hawaii might have is the Lt. Governor, James Aiona, had a reputation as a very conservative law and order judge and won the Lt. Governor GOP primary without the support of Lingle's faction of the party, but was elected to the office in November on her coattails. As a pacific islander, the average Hawaiian can identify with him more, and perhaps he can do a better job selling the GOP brand than the RINO Lingle. If Lingle is not term limited and doesn't retire in 2010, Aiona needs to step up to the plate and get the Governor's office from her.
I’m afraid that was some of my worries with Lingle (and now trying to ascertain what her game is with the alleged birth certificate). BTW, Aiona wasn’t elected “on her coattails”, the Lt Governor is elected as a package deal. At least the nice thing is that the Governor gets to appoint the other statewide officeholders. Although not my favorite, I’d let her take a shot at running for the Senate in ‘10, she might even win (although Bill Quinn tried it when Hiram Fong stepped down in ‘76, which I wish he hadn’t, since he could’ve conceivably lasted into this decade as the Chinese-American version of Strom. However, Quinn had lost reelection as Governor in ‘62 and had been out of office 14 years, and in ‘10, she can run straight from the Governorship. I see HI now has term limits of 2, since I recall some of the Governors served 12-year stretches).
Of course, one difference between the former HI Lt Gov vs. California’s is that Mazie Hirono wasn’t that unpopular, and she managed a comeback to Congress. Bustamante became literally toxic, and the only reason we won the State Insurance Commissioner’s office is because that happened to be the office he decided to run for in ‘06. Had he been eligible to run for a 3rd term as Leo McCarthy did, there’s a pretty good chance McClintock might’ve been able to beat him outright. Too bad he couldn’t. But, our gain in Congress now. Maybe we can dump Boehner for Tom sometime in the next session.
Oh geesh.....that info has been aroun d a LONG time, not just from this stupid reporter. Are you new??
I'm not new...
And I'm not sure what we disagree about. The reporter threw in a stupid line indicating that people are accusing Obama of "maybe being born in Indonesia." This is simply not true. He may have Indonesian citizenship from being adopted by an Indonesian, but no one is saying that he was born there. This is intentionally bad reporting.
Having a DUAL citizenship would be somewhat of a problem to moderates, as why didn’t he reveal such info and what else may he be hiding, that’s all.
Aiona is already running it seems. Good news if he’s more conservative than Lingle.
Hopefully Hawaii won’t return to total union fiefdom status.
The first 2 rat governors did serve 12 years each.
“The “Republican Main Street Partnership” — the premier RINO breeding ground in the U.S. — has only two Governors who are card carrying members. Guess who? Yep, Arnie and Linda. Not even that annoying Conn. RINO is a member.”
Odd. She’s at least worse than Lingle.