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California may be out of cash in February
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 12/5/08 | Jim Christie

Posted on 12/05/2008 1:44:01 PM PST by NormsRevenge

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) – California is on track to run out of cash in February or March and faces a $15 billion cash shortage by the end of its fiscal year in June unless officials plug an $11.2 billion budget gap, according to the state's budget director.

Additionally, if Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and lawmakers fail to close the current fiscal year's budget shortfall soon, California, the most populous U.S. state, may in March delay payments to its vendors or hand them notes promising payment, according to a December 1 letter to top lawmakers from the director of the Department of Finance, Michael Genest.

A copy of the letter was obtained on Friday by Reuters.

"Specifically, it now appears certain that available cash reserves from all sources will fall below the cash cushion target of $2.5 billion in February and that the state will begin delaying payments or paying in registered warrants in March," Genest said in his letter.

"To reduce this threat, the administration is also proposing legislation to increase internal borrowable cash resources," Genest added. "However, even with this cash solution the state will not be able to pay all of its bills in the absence of quick action on the budgetary solutions."

The last time California, the world's eighth biggest economy and the largest issuer of U.S. public debt, issued payment promises to vendors was in the early 1990s.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; cash; february
a lot of theories on what kil't the Golden Goo$e... and no shortage of easy cures..
1 posted on 12/05/2008 1:44:01 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Does that mean Caaleifoorniia will have a going out of business sale?


2 posted on 12/05/2008 1:44:59 PM PST by Perdogg (01-20-2013 Obama's last day - If we survive)
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the world’s eighth biggest economy

wasn’t so long ago it was 5th, I think.


3 posted on 12/05/2008 1:45:18 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed)
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a snip further down the page

Schwarzenegger, a Republican, is urging the Democrat-led legislature to back his plan for closing the budget shortfall with a combination of spending cuts and new revenues, including cash from raising the state’s sales tax.

Democrats oppose spending cuts and the legislature’s Republican minority opposes tax increases, resulting in routine stalemates on spending plans.


4 posted on 12/05/2008 1:46:38 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed)
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To: Perdogg
"Does that mean Caaleifoorniia will have a going out of business sale?

Wouldn't be a bad idea. Declare chapter 11 and Break it up into three smaller states. Then sell San Francisco to China to pay off the debt.
5 posted on 12/05/2008 1:46:58 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The state could declare bankruptcy... but could a judge legally void the numerous propositions that cost the state so much money?


6 posted on 12/05/2008 1:47:43 PM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Si se puede !
7 posted on 12/05/2008 1:48:48 PM PST by traumer
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To: NormsRevenge
CUT SPENDING! Since the Democrats and Red Arnold won't do it, its time for a wakeup call!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 12/05/2008 1:50:17 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge
save the State, put the Legislature on furlough.
9 posted on 12/05/2008 1:50:44 PM PST by elpadre (nation)
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To: NormsRevenge

Have each illegal chip in $1. Problem solved.


10 posted on 12/05/2008 1:53:11 PM PST by Heartland Mom ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: NormsRevenge

All the gold in California
Is in a bank in the middle of Beverly Hills in somebody else’s name
So if you’re dreaming about California
It don’t matter at all where you played before, California’s a brand new game


11 posted on 12/05/2008 1:56:48 PM PST by txroadkill (www.honorandremember.org)
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To: pnh102

could a judge legally void the numerous propositions that cost the state so much money?

void? No, I don’t think so.

The best we could probably hope for may be having them suspended.


12 posted on 12/05/2008 1:57:58 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed)
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To: Liz; calcowgirl

Aww, Arnold the RINO is running out of money!


13 posted on 12/05/2008 1:58:21 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: NormsRevenge

Right there, on the western coast of the U S of A, is a prime example of how liberalism fails every time it’s tried.


14 posted on 12/05/2008 1:58:43 PM PST by red-dawg (Bend over for CHANGE.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Apply to Mexico for Financial aid. They have leverage. If Calefornica fails; the population could overrun the boarder going South for a change. Maybe, they could take South LA with them. Can you say surplus?


15 posted on 12/05/2008 2:00:46 PM PST by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: NormsRevenge

With all the money floating around in CA? When one is facing a shortfall, one needs to STOP spending and start cutting the fat off.


16 posted on 12/05/2008 2:04:33 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: NormsRevenge

Couldn’t happen to a nicer set of lunatics, like the Democrats in our legislature and the grade-B actor that serves as our Governor.

My solution? Stop paying for illegals (schools, welfare, housing, medical, prisons) and we’d have a surplus.


17 posted on 12/05/2008 2:06:59 PM PST by tom h
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To: NormsRevenge

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer group of nuts and fruits. California went for Obama; I say “screw ‘em”


18 posted on 12/05/2008 2:08:59 PM PST by veritas2002
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To: NormsRevenge

When I left CA a couple of decades ago, I believed I was escaping its perversity and socialism.
Nonetheless, it appears I (we) will be asked pay for it as a U.S. taxpayer.


19 posted on 12/05/2008 2:10:53 PM PST by frog in a pot (Is there a definition of "domestic enemies" as used in federal oaths, or is that just lip service?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Maybe it’s time the governator lobbies Congress to enforce the laws against illegal immigration by deporting them to Mexico, instead of asking for money to bail them out, and he needs to do it IMMEDIATELY!! Once all of the illegals quit draining the budget on social services, CA will have a LOT of money to play with.


20 posted on 12/05/2008 2:11:02 PM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: NormsRevenge

Running out of money? Why not print their own? Some place in the US has but just for local use ...


21 posted on 12/05/2008 2:17:48 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: pnh102

VIVA Cali-mexifornia, here we come!


22 posted on 12/05/2008 2:28:05 PM PST by ronnie raygun ( When CHANGE comes let me know, I'll put my tin foil hat on and sit in front of myTV)
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To: NormsRevenge

Quick, raise taxes. Chase even more businesses out of the state. Idiots.

How about cutting the damned budget you morons?


24 posted on 12/05/2008 2:44:15 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: NormsRevenge
Is this really a bad thing for a Sate to go bankrupt?

It has been noted here by wiser heads than me that a collapse of State Governments may be the ONLY WAY to destroy the liberal welfare state. As Edmund Burke observed " The revenue of the State IS the State".

We may be witnessing a sea change similar to the old USSR when the old system just couldn't sustain itself anymore

Maybe BO will turn out to be an American Gorbachev...trying to save a dying system and failing

The question is...what should the true Conservative, lover of limited government be advocating right now.....maybe the death of bloated big government is at hand?...should we really try to stop it?

25 posted on 12/05/2008 2:45:25 PM PST by mick
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To: GonzoGOP

China is not that stupid to buy S.F.; however, France kinda some to mind as a potential buyer.


26 posted on 12/05/2008 2:46:29 PM PST by biff
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To: NormsRevenge
That is what happens when you let liberals run government. They just spend without any cost-benefit analysis or budget.
27 posted on 12/05/2008 3:08:29 PM PST by HwyChile
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To: pnh102


Judges here in California don't need the legislature to legislate, they do it all the time from the Bench!

There would have been no need for Proposition 8 if the clueless California Supreme Court, most of whom were appointed by Republican Governors, would have just done their jobs and listened to the will of the people from proposition 22. Instead, they decided they were little demi-gods and made up an unknown and unheard of civil rights issue based on someone's sexual choice.
28 posted on 12/05/2008 3:13:30 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: NormsRevenge

California, General Motors, Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac, ... long term, I won’t miss any of ‘em. Let ‘em go. Like Peter Schiff sez, rehab might be rough, but it’s better than just buying more drugs.


29 posted on 12/05/2008 3:18:57 PM PST by flowerplough ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: veritas2002
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer group of nuts and fruits. California went for Obama; I say “screw ‘em”

As a friend of mine used to say "California is the turkey state, there is a gobbler behind every palm tree".

30 posted on 12/05/2008 3:20:33 PM PST by dearolddad
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To: NormsRevenge

Question,,, SO WHAT? If all state services stopped except police/DOT in my state today, I would not be affected. Would you?


31 posted on 12/05/2008 3:40:41 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: NormsRevenge

The two biggest sources of income for California is income taxes and sales taxes. Both of these will be going down severely this year, and for a few years, because of the real estate crash, and the recession. They can raise taxes, but it probably won't bring in the cash, as people are already only buying necessities.

They need to cut spending by a large amount, with as little job loss as possible though. They can also sell off assets like buildings and schools.

32 posted on 12/05/2008 3:44:40 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: MrPiper
Question,,, SO WHAT? If all state services stopped except police/DOT in my state today, I would not be affected. Would you?

Not in the least but all those bureaucrats shaking coffee cups on the street would set up quite a racket.

33 posted on 12/05/2008 4:00:30 PM PST by ninonitti
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To: rabscuttle385

"Chonny and Wooty, you two losers bettah make udder plans.
I gotda funny feeling the Republican Potty tinks you guys are pure crapola."

"Me, I'll kiss anybody's tookus so's I can git federal tax dollahs to bailout
bankrupt Kaliforneeah."

34 posted on 12/05/2008 4:26:27 PM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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To: GonzoGOP

Then sell San Francisco to China to pay off the debt.
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China has already nixed that idea, saying the San Franciscans are just too radical


35 posted on 12/05/2008 4:55:33 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: NormsRevenge

The Golden Goose has become a made in China Tin Goose.


36 posted on 12/05/2008 4:59:39 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: GonzoGOP
Early to mid 90s, this did come up in CA; about breaking it up into three parts. Then came the brawls over which new part would get stuck with SF. Unanimous agreement that SF should be given to Hawaii. And then talk of splitting CA into three parts died off.

No, I'm not kidding.

A mere year or so later, a far left group in SF was demanding to have SF secede from California. The whole state thought it would be a good idea, and agreed with the radical leftist spokesperson suggesting this idea. The SF leadership hammered the tongue of the person and group proposing such a thing. As certainly, SF can not survive on its own -- it demands subsidies from taxpayers throughout CA.

37 posted on 12/05/2008 5:32:32 PM PST by Alia
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To: ninonitti

LOL! But drat, the sound would drown-out the perpetual drum-beaters and that would be *racist* (cue up Dracula face with fangs).


38 posted on 12/05/2008 5:36:37 PM PST by Alia
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To: NormsRevenge
California may be out of cash in February

Understandable. And let's accept that it's not a lie, in order to hasten a bail-out.

And now we must ask "Would this be a bad thing?"

For state employees, who wouldn't get their paycheck, certainly! But, in itself, would that be a bad thing?

For municipalities, who are subsidized by state taxes, certainly! But, as above, would that be a bad thing?

For vendors, who do business with the state, absolutely! And it would definitely be a bad thing, because they have incurred real costs in providing the state with goods or services.

But, for the citizens of California, who pay taxes to the state and endure its regulations, the state's going broke would conceivably provide a political trauma that may well have beneficial side effects.

Like an intrusion of reality. For example, a recognition by thge state's voters that the state's legislature is both corrupt and incompetent. And that the political philosophies which have ruled the state for a generation are utterly bankrupt.

The state's politicians will be incapable of coming to this same conclusion, so it is totally up to the voters.

39 posted on 12/05/2008 6:02:30 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01
Good analysis.

The one thing that props up "The State Inc." is the ability to raise revenue from it's "customers" through coercive means..known as "taxes". A private business that really does deliver needed and desired goods and services can never do that. A private business is always being lashed with the whip of competition. Not so with the "State Inc."

As I said in a post above, quoting Burke, the revenue of the state IS the state. We must bleed the State Inc. of it's revenue and start over. Somehow, someway we must create another way for the community of individuals and families to work collectively toward common goals without the onerous and self serving mechanism of the "State". That answer is above my pay grade but it needs to be addressed.

40 posted on 12/05/2008 7:20:35 PM PST by mick
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To: NormsRevenge
California may be out of cash in February

States and municipalities line up right behind automakers.

41 posted on 12/05/2008 8:12:00 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (making full use of an unfair advantage in the marketplace of ideas)
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To: mick
Somehow, someway we must create another way for the community of individuals and families to work collectively toward common goals without the onerous and self serving mechanism of the "State".

An out-of-the-box idea that deserves some serious attention.

Has the "State" out-lived its usefulness in the USA? Is there another way...???

42 posted on 12/06/2008 8:34:20 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: NormsRevenge

At least, this time, we know who to blame: The democrat
Legislature! They have forced business to move out of the
State with their oppressive regulations and taxes. They
have “broke the bank” with their “touchy-feely” laws.


43 posted on 12/06/2008 9:55:52 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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