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Obama May Cancel Space Shuttle Replacement
Fox ^ | Monday, December 01, 2008 | Brian Berger

Posted on 12/05/2008 2:35:41 PM PST by Chet 99

WASHINGTON — U.S. President-elect Barack Obama's NASA transition team is asking U.S. space agency officials to quantify how much money could be saved by canceling the Ares 1 rocket and scaling back the Orion Crew Exploration Vehicle next year.

Obama pledged during his campaign to inject an additional $2 billion into NASA aimed in part at narrowing the gap between the space shuttle's retirement and the introduction of a successor system.

While NASA Administrator Mike Griffin and his senior managers are adamant that Ares and Orion are the right vehicles to fill that role, Obama did not endorse either system by name during his campaign.

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KEYWORDS: 111th; ares1; bhonasa; brokepromise; federalspending; nasa; obama; obamatransitionfile; orion; space
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1 posted on 12/05/2008 2:35:41 PM PST by Chet 99
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With the exception of JFK, space exploration has never been popular with liberals. They’d rather this money be spent at home on welfare cheats and illegal aliens.


2 posted on 12/05/2008 2:36:21 PM PST by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2141054/posts


3 posted on 12/05/2008 2:36:35 PM PST by TomServo
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To: Chet 99

Whattttttttt?


4 posted on 12/05/2008 2:36:52 PM PST by CindyDawg (Lord, please bless America)
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To: Chet 99

and themselves


5 posted on 12/05/2008 2:37:52 PM PST by quintr
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To: Chet 99

JFK was a WW II hero and a Cold Warrior. I wouldn’t lump him in with the likes of his little brother, Edward.


6 posted on 12/05/2008 2:38:46 PM PST by gundog (When the SHTF, it will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: Chet 99
HOW ABOUT SCALING DOWN GENERATIONAL ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS.
7 posted on 12/05/2008 2:38:51 PM PST by ronnie raygun ( When CHANGE comes let me know, I'll put my tin foil hat on and sit in front of myTV)
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To: Chet 99

He promised to spend money on NASA.


8 posted on 12/05/2008 2:38:53 PM PST by Perdogg (01-20-2013 Obama's last day - If we survive)
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To: Chet 99
Well, that's change. Other high tech change will involve cancelation of many next generation military weapons systems. Wouldn't want the ChiComs and the Russians, never mind the Isalmist crazies, to be at too much of a disadvantage.
9 posted on 12/05/2008 2:39:50 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Chet 99

Can anyone say Bait and Switch!


10 posted on 12/05/2008 2:39:50 PM PST by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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To: Chet 99

if so, FL is back to a Red state in 2112.


11 posted on 12/05/2008 2:40:12 PM PST by ilgipper
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To: Chet 99

This is one thing that I can agree on with Obama. Private companies will have a viable replacement rocket and human rated capsule up and running before NASA ever gets anything done. Turn ISS missions over to the private sector. They’ll do it better and cheaper.


12 posted on 12/05/2008 2:40:39 PM PST by saganite
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To: Chet 99
Bwahahahahahahaha ... and he PROMISED, Central Florida, PROMISED not to uh, mess, with the space program. And you all bought it, hook, line, and headline. (Note that the bwahahaha is hysterical laughter, noting what the end of Apollo did to the Space Coast).

Sen. Barack Obama Pledges Space Advocacy
By Patrick Peterson
FLORIDA TODAY
posted: 8 August 2008

TITUSVILLE - Sen. Barack Obama promised not to cut NASA funding and said Saturday at a town hall meeting he will rely on Florida Sen. Bill Nelson and revered astronaut and former Sen. John Glenn to help form his space policy.

"Under my watch, NASA will inspire the world once again and is going to help grow the economy right here in Brevard County," said the presumptive Democratic nominee, speaking to a crowd of 1,400 at Brevard Community College's Titusville campus.

Obama has changed an earlier position, in which he planned to delay the Constellation program five years and use up to $5 billion from the NASA budget for education.

"Here's what I'm committing to: Continue Constellation. We're going to close the gap (between the end of shuttle flight and the next program, Constellation). We may have additional shuttle flights," he said.


13 posted on 12/05/2008 2:41:01 PM PST by NonValueAdded (once you get to really know people, there are always better reasons than [race] for despising them.)
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To: Chet 99

Look for reconnaissance satellites and missile defense programs to be cut next. God help us.


14 posted on 12/05/2008 2:41:15 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: Chet 99

Mr Obama could save a lot of money by shutting down NASA. However, he would have to explain, in about 12 years, how India, China, Russia, Europe, Japan, Brazil, and others have moonbases and are going to Mars and the USA is converting the truck fleet to oxen-drawn.


15 posted on 12/05/2008 2:41:20 PM PST by RightWhale (We were so young two years ago and the DJIA was 12,000)
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To: Chet 99
They’d rather this money be spent at home on welfare cheats and illegal aliens”

Yup.
Whatever money is “saved” on the space program will promptly be wasted on welfare cheats,the gay agenda etc.

16 posted on 12/05/2008 2:42:32 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Chet 99

They’d rather this money be spent at home on welfare cheats and illegal aliens.
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Of course. Space shuttles do not vote for DemoRATS. Anything that does not support the far left Dims will be compromised or shut off. INCLUDING THE MILITARY. (ala Carter and Clinton).


17 posted on 12/05/2008 2:44:15 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Chet 99
Kerry's Fault

18 posted on 12/05/2008 2:44:21 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: Chet 99
If you saw the excellent HBO mini series From The Earth to The Moon, that point was demonstrated by Walter Mondale, who wanted to scrap the entire Apollo Moon Program.
19 posted on 12/05/2008 2:47:35 PM PST by reg45
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To: Chet 99
JFK wasn't all that hot about space either, it was vice president Johnson that pushed the space program.

Cutting these programs is a drop in the bucket financially, and will have two big effects. First, we can't just keep sending up the shuttle until they all fail. We will just start using the Russians for access to space. This is a horrible national security move. And the biggest effect will be to eliminate very technical, very hard to replace knowledge carried by knowledgable employee's brains. By the time we want to return to these programs again, the people will have moved on to something else.

This is all coming just as we are starting to have valid economis reasons for returning to the moon, such as mining Helium-3.

20 posted on 12/05/2008 2:47:37 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: NonValueAdded
While NASA Administrator Mike Griffin and his senior managers are adamant that Ares and Orion are the right vehicles to fill that role, Obama did not endorse either system by name during his campaign.

YES, HE DID

See above: "Here's what I'm committing to: Continue Constellation." Well, since the Aries rocket and Orion Crew Vehicle ARE Constellation, only the most rabbid Clintonian parser could say he did not endorse the systems by name.

21 posted on 12/05/2008 2:47:40 PM PST by NonValueAdded (once you get to really know people, there are always better reasons than [race] for despising them.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Obama Lied, Space Died.


22 posted on 12/05/2008 2:48:35 PM PST by reg45
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To: Chet 99

NASA; SDI, just two programs that will have to do with less or none at all so that the ‘urban voter’ may be rewarded for helping make history.


23 posted on 12/05/2008 2:50:04 PM PST by jla
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To: 88keys; Matchett-PI; mcmuffin; 3D-JOY; WorkerbeeCitizen; shove_it; drj; Sax; Normal4me; ...

Brevard County, Florida ping.

Obama lied, the Space Coast died ping.

Let me know if you want on or off this list.
(not associated with the county government - NVA is a NGO!)

24 posted on 12/05/2008 2:51:28 PM PST by NonValueAdded (once you get to really know people, there are always better reasons than [race] for despising them.)
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To: NonValueAdded

It’s only a request for info, but Mr Obama campaigned on speeding up the Ares/Orion. However, all bets are off.


25 posted on 12/05/2008 2:51:59 PM PST by RightWhale (We were so young two years ago and the DJIA was 12,000)
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To: Chet 99


26 posted on 12/05/2008 2:52:07 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: Chet 99

The only person who was President while people were on the moon was Nixon.


27 posted on 12/05/2008 2:52:14 PM PST by reg45
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To: Chet 99

Needs the money for ‘programs’.


28 posted on 12/05/2008 2:52:58 PM PST by Carley (Prayers for Sgt. Eddie Ryan)
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To: Chet 99

What use does a 2nd world nation have with a space program?


29 posted on 12/05/2008 2:54:51 PM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

That point is key. We want the smart guys (and gals) to have an outlet for their talents in THIS COUNTRY. We’ve already been outsourcing labor and manufacturing.. it’d be suicide to do that with the technical workers.


30 posted on 12/05/2008 2:55:15 PM PST by Chet 99
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To: NonValueAdded

Thanx for the ping.


31 posted on 12/05/2008 2:58:20 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (An inadequately policed Conservative)
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To: reg45
Obama Lied, Space Died.

Sally Ride, denied.

32 posted on 12/05/2008 2:59:26 PM PST by countess
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To: RightWhale

A request for info, exploring the breaking of such an important campaign promise needs to result in singed fingers.


33 posted on 12/05/2008 3:01:26 PM PST by NonValueAdded (once you get to really know people, there are always better reasons than [race] for despising them.)
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To: RightWhale; NonValueAdded

We need to wait and see what he does - I’m not going to panic yet.

He has sent mixed signals and has a knack for flip flopping.


34 posted on 12/05/2008 3:03:05 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (An inadequately policed Conservative)
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To: saganite

I also agree that scrapping the shuttle’s replacement is a good idea. Manned spaceflight is not necessary for the development of space-based defense systems. Further, private industry can do manned space flight more cheaply and can innovate more quickly. Because the gov’t has been involved we’ve had to keep the shuttle going despite the fact that it’s basically ‘70s technology shoved into a school bus with wings.

As for going to Mars, let’s not waste the money for idle curiousity. The distance, the constant exposure to cosmic radiation, the dust microns in the thin Martian atmosphere, etc. make any prolonged human stay on the Martian surface risky beyond any feasible benefit. If the Chicoms or russkies want to put the first corpses on Mars, let them.


35 posted on 12/05/2008 3:03:07 PM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: Chet 99

Obama will cost this nation trillions listening to the global warming frauds at NASA, but when it comes to listening to steely-eyed rocket men, Obama knows better.


36 posted on 12/05/2008 3:11:47 PM PST by pallis
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To: Lou Budvis

but exploration for the sake of exploration is the very thing that gives greatness to Mankind. Unlike animals, we do more than simply eat and reproduce. Don’t we? Then let’s explore.

Promoting the useful sciences is one few express powers given to the Congress by the Constitution.


37 posted on 12/05/2008 3:12:00 PM PST by Chet 99
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To: Lou Budvis
As for going to Mars, let’s not waste the money for idle curiousity

What question is more important to civilization than whether there is or was life on Mars?

38 posted on 12/05/2008 3:14:13 PM PST by RightWhale (We were so young two years ago and the DJIA was 12,000)
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To: NinoFan

The zero will cut

The Shuttle
The ISS, all this money and no science to date.
THe F35 and stall any future F22 buys
ALL of the advanced combat systems existing or planned
ALL but 3 (or maybe 4) of the carrier battle groups
The planned increases for the Army and USMC will be phased out over 2 to 4 years

There may be additional manning cuts across the board in all services, tho the Coasties may be spared the brunt of the cuts. NOAA is toast.

Feel free to add your picks...


39 posted on 12/05/2008 3:40:19 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: Chet 99

Yesterday, Democrat Rep. Adam Schiff spoke before employees at JPL.

Basically, he lied about a lot of things, including the incoming administration’s support for the space community. BTW, they, like the car manufacturer community, voted for the guy. Fools!


40 posted on 12/05/2008 3:41:46 PM PST by Ben Reyes (Palin 2012)
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To: Chet 99

He can do what he wants to as far as I am concerned.

I don’t really care.

The fools and idiots are in control now. Let them run things.


41 posted on 12/05/2008 3:43:58 PM PST by sport
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To: Chet 99

Better get used to the idea of Obama cutting programs. Literally EVERY federal program out there. BEGIN with a 25% across the board cut, and there is no conceivable way the big four: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Defense, are going to be unscathed, either.

At the very least, there will have to be means testing for EVERYTHING. Nobody who has any income, retirement, or savings will get anything from the government. Military pay for enlisted personnel will be reduced to close to room and board. Even WWII pay of $50/month for a private will be unlikely.

Entire government departments will be closed indefinitely, which will soon become permanent.

Right now, the US Post Office employs 786,000 employees. Their first round of layoffs has been announced as 40,000. Before all is said and done, there will probably be fewer than 300,000 postal workers. This is a good indicator of an *essential* government department.

Unessential workers, departments and agencies will be closed, and their budgets diverted to keep essential departments and agencies open.

The DEA, Department of Interior, Education, Homeland Security, NASA, NOAA, and many, many others will be reduced to a minimal staff or eliminated entirely. Average government salaries of $47,000 may be reduced by 90%.

In total, the US government employs about 1.8 million people outside of the military and Post Office. This may have to be reduced to 800,000.


42 posted on 12/05/2008 3:44:03 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ASOC
The zero will cut

The Shuttle
The ISS, all this money and no science to date.
THe F35 and stall any future F22 buys
ALL of the advanced combat systems existing or planned
ALL but 3 (or maybe 4) of the carrier battle groups
The planned increases for the Army and USMC will be phased out over 2 to 4 years

There may be additional manning cuts across the board in all services, tho the Coasties may be spared the brunt of the cuts. NOAA is toast.


Excellent news. It'll be nice to have a president who actually cuts big government programs for a change. Now we just have to convince him not to spend it all on something else.
43 posted on 12/05/2008 3:49:53 PM PST by UncleDick (Sola fide)
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To: Chet 99

NASA has become nothing more than a tool for environmentalist wackos...Where do you think all this global warming garbage came from?


44 posted on 12/05/2008 4:04:55 PM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: UncleDick

Thats the other half

MORE food stamps
MORE “free” medical
More aid to dependant children
More school watchers
and on and on.

Buddy of mine sold his house and is moving onto his Crealock 37 to ‘full time’.

Plans to be in International waters by the 20th.
Something he has been planning for years, this just got him off dead center.


45 posted on 12/05/2008 4:04:58 PM PST by ASOC (This space could be employed, if I could only get a bailout...)
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To: My Favorite Headache

ping to post 13


46 posted on 01/27/2010 9:58:23 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Mass. elects Scott Brown. NVA:" for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my birth state")
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To: Chet 99

He hasn’t learned from JFK, has he?

There go some more jobs...............................going, going, gone.


47 posted on 01/27/2010 10:06:08 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NonValueAdded

Yep. Yep. Yep. Lying P.O.S.


48 posted on 01/27/2010 10:06:24 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: NonValueAdded

Awesome...bookmarked it.


49 posted on 01/27/2010 10:07:37 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache

Unfortunately I knew the minute he uttered the lie it needed documenting.


50 posted on 01/27/2010 10:11:07 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Mass. elects Scott Brown. NVA:" for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my birth state")
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