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Why the stories about Obama's birth certificate will never die
Salon ^ | December 5, 2008 | Alex Koppelman

Posted on 12/05/2008 5:18:15 PM PST by Aliska

Dec. 5, 2008 | Barack Obama can't be president: He wasn't really born in Hawaii, and the certification of live birth his campaign released is a forgery. He was born in Kenya. Or maybe Indonesia. Or, wait, maybe he was born in Hawaii -- but that doesn't matter, since he was also a British citizen at birth because of his father, and you can't be a "natural-born citizen" in that case. (But then, maybe his "father" wasn't really his father; maybe his real dad was an obscure communist poet. Or Malcolm X.)

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: acrackerhead; artbell; birth; birthcertificate; blackhelicopter; certificate; conspiracy; csection; obama; tinfoilhat
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To: Aliska

What is the big deal? Maybe it is the fact that he won’t release so many things about himself, and not just the birth certificate. What that does is feed the fires of rumor ans speculation about what is really in his past. Anyone who pays attention to such things cannot help but wonder what is really the truth about the birth certificate, his childhood in Indonesia, his college years, Harvard law school, his questionable friends, fundraising, and a host of other things. The only logical conclusion, in the absence of full and open disclosure, is that there is that he has skeletons in his closet, and any speculation as to what those skeletons are is entirely justified in the interest of making the truth come out. 0bama can disprove all of this, unless what is hidden is too damaging to risk disclosure.


21 posted on 12/05/2008 5:40:00 PM PST by yawningotter
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Simple Obfuscation? No, it is a layering of lies, the specialty of David Axelrod, Obama's handler. Axelrod has used this method of layering lies upon issue to hide the truth from the public throughout his tenure as Obama minister of deceit. We know for certain that Hawaiian officials did not verify Obama was born in HI, in fact they went out of their way to phrase their response to shwo they would not say if he was or wasn't since that would be a breach of his privacy and open them up for prosecution!

Think for a moment what it means that every time an issue regrading Obama's past associates or life history arises, David Axelrod has a list of lies to layer on the issue to hide the truth. THAT IS THE KIND OF BASTARD WE THE PEOPLE HAVE ELECTED TO BE PRESIDENT. We will get what we deserve this time, and there isn't enough Vaseline or K-Y Jelly in the world to make the experience only uncomfortable.

Allow me to be more succinct: Barack Obama is revealing what sort of anti-American bastard he is right from the start, as he pisses on the domestic tranquiility for his own empowerment and ignores our Constitution.

22 posted on 12/05/2008 5:40:55 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: BenLurkin
What are tehy suggesting -- that Stanley was a slut?

Yes, maybe.

...and he has the nude photos (or the links to them) to prove it.

23 posted on 12/05/2008 5:43:42 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: muawiyah
I never took factcheck as gospel but tended to rely on it. Now I no longer trust them. It still doesn't prove anything one way or another.

Koppleman did bring up the notice in the Hawaii newspaper. I have seen a photocopy of that. And the school record. And the COLB. Two supposed versions of that, actually. And the purported draft registration which may be not be what it is supposed to be. What other relevant scans are out there?

But there is no way I can prove any of this one way or another. A lot of the missing pieces of the puzzle are just suspicious, that's all.

24 posted on 12/05/2008 5:45:40 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska

As I was looking at the picture of madonna and child in the article, I couldn’t help but wonder why, oh why, would America ever pick a ninny to be its president?


25 posted on 12/05/2008 5:47:16 PM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: outofstyle

Yes. obama’s presidency will always be in question unless he comes up with the bc. Given that, why doesn’t he just do it? Because, apparently, he has something to hide. People like Koppleman (corrent?) can write distort the issue, but it’s not that complicated.


26 posted on 12/05/2008 5:47:20 PM PST by ElayneJ
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To: Aliska
Not necessarily, because while I never questioned it until it came up on the web, how do I know what is true and not a forgery?

That is my point. For those who believe that this birth certificate thing is a non-issue brought up by fringe kooks, Obama has the power to end this controversy by producing his presumably authentic birth certificate. If he can't, then maybe these people aren't fringe kooks after all.
27 posted on 12/05/2008 5:49:23 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: LucyT

Thanks, LucyT

Ping


28 posted on 12/05/2008 5:50:54 PM PST by Iowan
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To: nufsed
"If the court doesn't uphold the constitution, I am having my birth certificate scanned onto my t-shirt with the words Natural Born. Just to wear on political occasion"

Offer them with a template we can put ours on. Cafe Press offers such a service.

I bought"Maverick/Barracuda" bumper stickers from there. I'll buy and wear some of your t-shirts and bumper stickers and try to distribute some too.

29 posted on 12/05/2008 5:51:11 PM PST by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: LiberConservative

Yes!and will someone please come forth for clarity’s sake with the names of the THREE LAW FIRMS that onothing has hired.I’ve only heard of one lawyer mentioned by name(i forget who)& who at one time had a relationship with CAIR-
the THREE LAW FIRMS please,anyone?:)


30 posted on 12/05/2008 5:51:15 PM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Good Morning Mr & Mrs Scooter and All The Ships At Sea)
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To: AZ .44 MAG

Thanx. I’ll post it at the time.


31 posted on 12/05/2008 5:53:49 PM PST by nufsed
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To: All

This whole ordeal is Obama’s fault, and only he has the ability to make it go away. Maybe the leftnuts should appeal to him, if not, it should never go away.


32 posted on 12/05/2008 5:54:49 PM PST by pallis
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To: BenLurkin
What are tehy suggesting

He's suggesting that we are right wing conspiracy whackjobs just for questioning any of it. That's stuff he's picked up and spitting back at the reader. No, he's not suggesting she was the s-word I don't believe.

He didn't mention, on the offchance he was born in Kenya, the age and law in effect at the time, and I have to take the case file that the law was as it was. At first I thought it was ridiculous that he could have been born in Kenya. Then if young Ann was starry eyed and curious about other cultures as she seemed to be, it wouldn't be beyond the pale that she would have accompanied O, Sr. to Kenya to meet his family, an adventure, etc.

As another poster noted, we've seen no evidence that Hawaiian officialdom actually said he was born in Hawaii, just that there was a certificate in a lock box.

The dual-citizenship, I would think American law would take precedent except for the years in Indonesia, that I don't really know.

I've just read second hand what his sister supposedly said about the hospital, never seen a good source for that. Every question raises another question which I don't see as necessarily conspirational but critical thinking and logic.

33 posted on 12/05/2008 5:57:51 PM PST by Aliska
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To: fr_freak; Aliska
Which is the whole point of any of it. Obama has the power to make it evaporate in an instant ~ all he has to do is show the record maintained in the Hawaii data base ~ which should name the people who attended his birth.

It's possible he is as stupid as I think he really is and doesn't comprehend the difference between the source document (prepared at birth), the long form (with all the good stuff), and the short form (the folded document he kept in a drawer with his cufflinks).

Rather than attempt to "cover up" stuff, people in authority, like the ol'gal who runs the records center in Hawaii, should 'splain stuff to Obama so he can take appropriate action.

Instead, these idiots keep firing the flames of controversy and Obama just trundles along smiling and waving and delivering Axelrod's speeches.

Oh, yeah, I did say "cover up" ~ there are people who think that by taking a defensive posture they can actually "cover up" the problem and protect their candidate.

That's the Limited Hang Out Route.

Richard Nixon did that.

34 posted on 12/05/2008 5:59:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Aliska

Look into who funds Factcheck. It’s an important part of the picture.


35 posted on 12/05/2008 6:02:15 PM PST by xdem
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To: Aliska

This thought just occurred to me.

The BC had a date on it of 2007. They explained that away by saying they had obtained it in 2007.That can’t be his original birth certificate. It was sealed at adoption.

Wouldn’t the next birth certificate - done at adoption - change his last name?

The name shown on the records of the Indonesian school.

One thing is damn sure clear..HE FLAT OUT LIED WHEN HE APPLIED TO THE STATE BAR STATING HE HAD NEVER GONE BY ANY OTHER NAMES.

MAYBE SALON.COM OUGHT TO WRITE ABOUT THAT.


36 posted on 12/05/2008 6:02:32 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: LiberConservative
Jim can make it go away here and time he wants!
37 posted on 12/05/2008 6:04:00 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: outofstyle
This may be true in some cases. However, in this case there has not been much supporting data offered. I believe if the original birth certificate were presented and judged by most experts to be valid, and if a plausible explanation of Obama's status while in Indonesia was offered, the issue would be virtually dead.

Add to that the supposedly sealed school records that could show anything and the Illinois bar app and the possible use of two different names and clear up the draft registration, by experts as you say, then it would be virtually dead, agreed.

I mean if it looks like, smells like and walks like a conspiracy . . . .what else is a person to make of it.

There are two things that I don't necessarily buy into. The radio show that called the ambassador. He could have meant Obama, Sr. The grandmother in Kenya, could have been a translation error (or idiomatic) or she's old and her memory may not be so good; I do look for alternative explanations.

38 posted on 12/05/2008 6:05:28 PM PST by Aliska
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To: fr_freak
Obama has the power to make all of this go away right now, but he won’t show his birth certificate.

He has:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

39 posted on 12/05/2008 6:11:41 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Mojave
What's his birth certificate say?

Honolulu, Hawaii

40 posted on 12/05/2008 6:13:17 PM PST by curiosity
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