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Between the Lines: Modern American fascism developing from outside the government
The Valley News ^ | 120608 | Ronald L. Caravan

Posted on 12/06/2008 12:37:57 PM PST by Fred

Just a few years ago, I took the opportunity to attend special guest appearances by two high-profile political personalities at Syracuse University whose visits were within a few weeks of each other—Ralph Reed, former leader of the Christian Coalition and a Republican strategist on the right, and Jocelyn Elders, former surgeon general of the United States during the Clinton administration and a Democrat of decidedly left orientation.

Although their addresses and responses to questions that followed illustrated vividly their wide differences of opinion on current issues, that was not the most striking contrast between the two mid-week evening events at Hendricks Chapel on the university campus. The most significant distinction between them was not the behavior of the respective guests, but the behavior of their audiences.

Dr. Elders drew the smaller audience, most which appeared to be of similar political persuasion. Following her address, she fielded questions from attendees representing both sides of the political spectrum, all of which were presented respectfully and answered by Dr. Elders in an uncompromising but mutually respectful and cordial manner.

By contrast, Dr. Reed drew a much larger audience, but it was evident from the start that many were there to challenge him openly and berate him for his political positions. Far-left activists in the audience were disruptive throughout, and although Dr. Reed completed his address and responded to a few questions with courtesy and dignity, he eventually had to be escorted out of the chapel for his and everyone else’s safety.

At the time, what occurred in the chapel that night may have seemed like little more than an isolated example of extreme discourtesy on the part of a few members of the extreme left. But recent reports from across the nation about an increasing incidence of this sort of behavior, and worse, by those on the political left provide evidence of a pattern—the use of interference, intimidation, and even violence by left-wing activists in order to suppress opposition to their political viewpoints.

From a few hecklers interrupting an opposing speaker, to same-sex marriage activists disrupting a church service, to left-wing counter-demonstrators accosting an elderly woman and destroying a sign she was carrying, a significant segment of political-left activism has evidently adopted “forcible suppression of opposition” as an acceptable strategy to advance their causes in the public square.

This is, indeed, the very definition of fascism.

Although Americans are about to witness the inauguration of the most left-leaning president in the nation’s history, and his administration working in consort with perhaps the most left-leaning congressional majority we have ever seen, it is not from within government that citizens of the republic must first fear the rise of fascism, but from outside and eventually creeping in.

This modern American societal fascism of the left has already become well established across the culture. Some of it arises out of simple, seemingly innocent things that many would scoff at taking very seriously, such as all manner of “political correctness,” which has been progressing for several years. What is this so-called political correctness, anyway, but activist imposition of revised standards, according to politically left sensibilities, for acceptable and unacceptable thought and behavior?

Like any forced evolution toward political totalitarianism—the logical outcome of an unchecked fascist trend—the progression begins with the seemingly innocent stuff. Eventually, coercion, intimidation, and suppression of non-conforming viewpoints becomes institutionalized here and there on the way to everywhere. Although government may not be initiating the trend or its manifestations, given sufficient political momentum it will be in complicitity at first and later the primary purveyor after things have gone irreversibly too far.

The early signs are plentiful, and typically marked by descriptions that belie the real essence and agenda. Witness the “Fairness Doctrine”—regulation the left-leaning majority in Congress would love to impose on the free-enterprise media market in order to suppress the one traditional outlet the left does not already monopolize—talk radio.

Now, we may be about to witness another example of institutionalized suppression of opposition compliments of another politically left oriented institution—labor unions. The so-called “Employee Free Choice Act,” promoted by organized labor leaders and bantered about the news media these days as “card check,” has been hanging around Congress since 2005. If its supporters can scare up at least 60 votes in the new Senate, this legislation will make it to the president’s desk and, Mr. Obama has signaled, receive his signature.

This legislation would remove the guarantee of a secret ballot wherever employees of a company would be voting on whether to unionize their workplace. The primary objection of those opposed to the legislation? The increased exposure to workers of intimidation and coercion in absence of a secret ballot.

Ironically, rank-and-file union members are overwhelmingly against the proposal being pushed in Congress by their leadership. A recent Zogby poll revealed that 71 percent of union members favor ballot privacy, while a McLaughlin poll showed that 79 percent of Americans oppose “card-check” legislation that would make private-ballot elections no longer mandatory.

Despite overwhelming favorability numbers like that to retain the basic American right of ballot privacy in the workplace, the small minority who favor card-check legislation are only a couple allied senators away from getting the new law imposed on everyone else. It is just the latest sign, and a pretty glaring one, that the fascism of the left is moving right along as it builds momentum to change the very fabric of the American nation.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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1 posted on 12/06/2008 12:37:57 PM PST by Fred
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To: Fred
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2 posted on 12/06/2008 12:40:57 PM PST by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism and BO is a WHINING marxist)
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To: Fred

As the right continues to allow this type of behaviour from the left it only makes them bolder.

At some point the scale will tip and the pushback from the right will not be pretty.

IMHO the left in America is on the very edge of learning a very important message.

Obama says get in our faces.

The line is getting ready to be crossed by the left and when it’s crossed there will be no retreat.


3 posted on 12/06/2008 12:45:02 PM PST by stockpirate (Democrat Syndrome, psychological disorder that makes victims loyal to their abusers)
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To: Fred; Beckwith; LucyT
Fascism is here. Its not coming, its here NOW!

Its all very well explained by Johak Goldberg in his well annotated and referenced history text:

Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of America's Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning

Be assured of one fact. We now have a presidential candidate who is the pinnacle of AMericas Fascist movement.

And the thuggishness of this "NEW Politik" within the so called Democrat Party ( it is no longer Democrat, it is nationalist socialist....Joe Leiberman is a Democrat)has resulted in an exodus of millions of Democats into oraganizatios like PUMApac.org.

As a matter of fact the new dynamic is now rearranging Chairmanships within the Congressional Dem Caucus.

A monster has been created, and our job is to slay it, as sure as the sun rises in the East.

Conservative Americans are preparing for the violence to come, and it will hardly be pleasant.

4 posted on 12/06/2008 12:53:57 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: Fred

Ping for later reading.


5 posted on 12/06/2008 12:57:24 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: stockpirate

The line is crossed. Ammo, gold and food is the only thing I will buy.


6 posted on 12/06/2008 12:57:51 PM PST by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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To: Fred

This type of leftist conduct was one of the reasons Hitler helped found the SA. The SA would “handle” the leftist agitators who came to disrupt Hitler’s speaches.


7 posted on 12/06/2008 1:03:23 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: lookout88

“The line is crossed. Ammo, gold and food is the only thing I will buy.”

After some 35 years of not owning a firearm, I purchased a 12 ga. pump, 500 rounds of ammo, two bandolers that each hold 50 rounds.

Soon will be purchasing a .40 cal semi-automatic handgun. I think it will have a 15 shot clip, I will buy extra clips.

A friend was at a gun shop the other daym a man came in and purchased $1,200.00 in ammo. Lots of deer in his area.


8 posted on 12/06/2008 1:05:14 PM PST by stockpirate (Democrat Syndrome, psychological disorder that makes victims loyal to their abusers)
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To: stockpirate

In addition to that, I am buying a bow to hunt deer in the forest preserves if necessary. I figured it would be quiet. This is the END.


9 posted on 12/06/2008 1:08:22 PM PST by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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To: lookout88; All

may I make a suggestion or two (also buy seed, and batteries/fuel).


10 posted on 12/06/2008 1:11:13 PM PST by JSDude1 (Like the failed promise of Fascism masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism- Nephi)
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To: JSDude1

may I make a suggestion or two (also buy seed, and batteries/fuel).

Check. We all think alike.


11 posted on 12/06/2008 1:12:43 PM PST by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
This type of leftist conduct was one of the reasons Hitler helped found the SA. The SA would “handle” the leftist agitators who came to disrupt Hitler’s speaches.

And this is why middle class Germans voted for Hitler. He was the only one around willing to fight the Lefties on their own terms.

And that is the danger we are in. Unless we start pushing back, people will finally turn to ANYBODY who is willing to push back.

12 posted on 12/06/2008 1:17:50 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: Fred
This is, indeed, the very definition of fascism.

No, indeed, it is not. Those are fascist tactics, but that is not fascism.

13 posted on 12/06/2008 1:20:08 PM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: PapaBear3625

I agree with you absolutely.


14 posted on 12/06/2008 1:21:18 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Cacique; ExTexasRedhead; cgk; AnAmericanMother; Coleus; armymarinemom; Antoninus; Alex Murphy; ...

Brilliant summation of American “social fascim.”


15 posted on 12/06/2008 1:23:00 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: Fred

We also see this behaviour on Fox when the conservative is trying to speak the leftist will yell and try to speak over them.

Soon, very soon we will stop being polite about it. They do by the way see our restraint as WEAKNESS on our part.


16 posted on 12/06/2008 1:33:56 PM PST by stockpirate (Democrat Syndrome, psychological disorder that makes victims loyal to their abusers)
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To: Fred; Clemenza; rmlew; Yehuda; PARodrig; Reaganite1984; nutmeg; firebrand

Violence begats violence. One of the things that was different about this country when I came here is that politics was rather civil back then. We are about to find out that in the rest of the world assassination is seen as a legitimate political tactic.


17 posted on 12/06/2008 1:39:56 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: sauropod

read


18 posted on 12/06/2008 1:40:50 PM PST by sauropod (An expression of deep worry and concern failed to cross either of Zaphod's faces - hitchhiker's guid)
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To: Fred
read-later-with-great-care-just-before-running-to-the-bullet-store-for-supplies PING
19 posted on 12/06/2008 1:46:04 PM PST by ReeseBN38416
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To: Albion Wilde
Thanks Albion Wilde.I have to admit we did this to the pro-aborts and a friend of mine chained himself to the lectern.I wasn't there but it stopped the pro-abort from speaking in a Catholic College.At least until the cops came.
20 posted on 12/06/2008 1:52:44 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Fred
I'm not sure why the author labels Communism Fascism, probably for the same reason we ended up labeling ethnocentrism 'racism', to associate bad things with the ultimate baddie of the 20th century, although as we all know he was a piker compared with Uncle Joe, Saint Mao, Ho and others. But everyone thinks that fascism is bad and Communism tried to be good, da comrade?

And then we bring up examples of leftist agitators (community organizers) interrupting Hitler's speeches and we still call it fascism. Were those leftists fascist then? I'm confused!

21 posted on 12/06/2008 1:53:48 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Everytime they open their mouth they shoot themselves in the foot.)
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To: stockpirate

This whole movement took hold among the middle class in the 60s when college students, attending on mom and dad’s dime, began to take over Admiistration buildings on campus. They were allowed to get away with it both by the parents and college administrators who’d abdicated their responsibiities. The “Greatest Generation” created those brats.

Those very 60s students are now grandparents of today’s college students, and we are still paying for it. What was radical and revolutionary then is assumed today.


22 posted on 12/06/2008 2:01:12 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

Alot of money came in from communists outside the US, Soviet Union, France, North Viet-Nam, China just to name a few.

McCarthey was correct, our government was and still is invested with communists, socialists, and marxists.


23 posted on 12/06/2008 2:07:18 PM PST by stockpirate (Democrat Syndrome, psychological disorder that makes victims loyal to their abusers)
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To: stockpirate
McCarthey was correct, our government was and still is invested with communists, socialists, and marxists.

Infested, too.

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.
Groove to Black Violin EPK, too.


24 posted on 12/06/2008 2:21:28 PM PST by rdb3 ([T]he cool regions of the head are easily trumped by the raging fires of the heart.)
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To: rdb3

Sorry for the typo, yes invested and infested.


25 posted on 12/06/2008 2:24:28 PM PST by stockpirate (Democrat Syndrome, psychological disorder that makes victims loyal to their abusers)
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To: firebrand

ping for later


26 posted on 12/06/2008 2:27:41 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Petronski

Adorno and Horkheimer did not pull their punches, although they withheld publication until the danger was past. Those intellectuals who try to reason, eggheads, are overrun.


27 posted on 12/06/2008 2:29:55 PM PST by RightWhale (We were so young two years ago and the DJIA was 12,000)
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To: Revolting cat!

Fascism is only a little to the right of communism, since it claims it allows private property. Note I said claims. You may hold the title, but the state dictates how it is used. And the state will take it when it deems it necessary or convenient.


28 posted on 12/06/2008 2:49:02 PM PST by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder)
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To: stockpirate

Very true ... BUT had the institutions of the time stood up and stood together to preserve traditional American ideals, all the money in the world could not have prevailed against them. Instead, they caved at every level.

Liberals/progressives are relentless. For whatever reason, peop;e of a leftist persuasion seem to be more committed than those on the right. They never, ever give up on achieving their goals. Unlike conservatives, liberals will accept a partial victory, retreat, and come back for another partial victory until they have everything they want.

Although a ‘lesser’ issue, think about smoking on planes .. started with a smoking section, then no smoking on planes for flights under x miles, then no smoking on flights of any length and duration, then no smoking in the airport. Now there is no smoking in any building anywhere. Took 20-30 years, but they achieved their goal.

Had that effort been led by conservatives, if the end goal of banning all smoking in all venues not been achieved in one fell swoop, they’d have quit and gone home. And cursed the politicians who let them down.

It is that very strategy the liberals/progressives use so effectively that concerns them if it were ever taken up by conservatives, especially on the issue of abortion. When they fear momentum by conservatives, it’s a ‘slippery slope.’ Using that straategy, those seeking to overturn RvW would accept the ban on partial birth abortion as only step one. Then it would be parental consent. Then third trimester, etc., until abortion was banned altogether.

But, alas, with conservatives it’s always all or nothing. The PBA ban just wasn’t enough, and those who might move on to the next step haven’t received the persistence support and encouragement needed to achieve the end goal.


29 posted on 12/06/2008 3:00:40 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: PapaBear3625
"And this is why middle class Germans voted for Hitler. He was the only one around willing to fight the Lefties on their own terms." While your heart is in the "right" place, please do not perpetutate the myth that the Nazis were right-wing. They were anything but. They were National Socialists. Hitler fought the Bolsheviks, perhaps, but on their own turf, from the Left.
30 posted on 12/06/2008 3:28:37 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: fatima
Thanks Albion Wilde. I have to admit we did this to the pro-aborts and a friend of mine chained himself to the lectern. I wasn't there but it stopped the pro-abort from speaking in a Catholic College. At least until the cops came.

Good job, Fatima and friends!

I think we need to see a lot more complacent conservatives out on the streets over the next couple of years. Freedom isn't free, y'all.

31 posted on 12/06/2008 3:30:25 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: Albion Wilde

When a girl from my Catholic university phoned for the annual donation, I told her I could not support the school that invited only leftist speakers to campus events. She did not argue with me, but I hope she understood what I was telling her.


32 posted on 12/06/2008 7:55:29 PM PST by maica (Barack Obama is a Weathermen Project.)
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To: maica

Fellow Fordham grad?


33 posted on 12/06/2008 7:55:56 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: Candor7

Our job to slay it. Yes!


34 posted on 12/06/2008 9:45:28 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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I think this is a very intersting article. Conciliation and being "nice" is not always a virtue. Courage is the test of all other virtues, and I think all conservatives need a lot of courage. The leftists are not going to stop until THEY ARE STOPPED.

35 posted on 12/06/2008 9:50:08 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: EDINVA

“The worst are full of passionate intensity
While the best have lost all conviction.”

WB Yeats

(maybe the lines are reversed...)


36 posted on 12/06/2008 10:01:46 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah; Braak
I think this is a very intersting article. Conciliation and being "nice" is not always a virtue. Courage is the test of all other virtues, and I think all conservatives need a lot of courage. The leftists are not going to stop until THEY ARE STOPPED.

It hurts me to think this way but it seems like this is becoming more obvious over time. The leftists want to push up in a corner and then line us up against the wall. When it comes to that, I know we will fight, even a day old baby chick or a 7 week old kitten would fight in that case. I don't want to think that way, but I've seen many libs who would want to eliminate us or toss us into camps. It is chilling to think about but when I heard things like that from the William Ayers of the world, I often wonder if it will have to come down to a fight. I'm about 90% sure it will end up that way.
37 posted on 12/06/2008 10:14:23 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: rdb3

God bless you for mentioning “Nuttin’ But Strings”. I’d never had known of this music before, it grabbed my heart,squeezed it and never let go! Hope I can buy album.


38 posted on 12/06/2008 11:01:57 PM PST by pankot
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To: Fred Hayek

Fascism is but National Socialism, Communism is INTER-national Socialism.


39 posted on 12/06/2008 11:04:09 PM PST by pankot
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To: Nowhere Man

Pollyanna! I’m 100% certain it will end that way, bar natural disasters like H5N1 pandemic and/or major war that clears some of the deck, so to speak.

But I am not hopeless. I think that the leftist crap and all that goes with it will be very, very subdued - in a while, and at least for a good long while. But we conservatives need courage, badly.


40 posted on 12/06/2008 11:26:27 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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Ping


41 posted on 12/07/2008 12:32:35 AM PST by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: Clemenza

Loyola in Baltimore. The Jesuits seem to be the worst for leftist ideology.


42 posted on 12/07/2008 5:59:07 AM PST by maica (Barack Obama is a Weathermen Project.)
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To: little jeremiah
We have abandoned two generations to the hands of public school and university ideologues, and now we wonder why we do not have ‘conservative’ voters. We should have be pushing back for decades, but we didn't. We are reaping...

Add the pervasive indoctrination that American school children receive to the instant gratification society that we have evolved into because of our affluence in the age of the computer chip; stir with all the focus on pop culture instead of history and values of decency; and we have a recipe for a country that may not be able to be turned back to the Right.

43 posted on 12/07/2008 6:05:50 AM PST by maica (Barack Obama is a Weathermen Project.)
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To: pankot
Click here.

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.
Groove to Black Violin EPK, too.


44 posted on 12/07/2008 6:30:20 AM PST by rdb3 ([T]he cool regions of the head are easily trumped by the raging fires of the heart.)
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To: maica
When a girl from my Catholic university phoned for the annual donation, I told her I could not support the school that invited only leftist speakers to campus events.

Excellent!! You rock!

45 posted on 12/07/2008 1:09:32 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: little jeremiah
You are close...

The Second Coming

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity
...

William Butler Yeats

46 posted on 12/07/2008 3:06:19 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge

Thanks some more! I need to sit and read some poetry for a while.


47 posted on 12/07/2008 3:39:17 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: maica

I agree with you. There is the possibility, though - but IMO it can only happen with great difficulty and hardship.


48 posted on 12/07/2008 3:40:54 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah; Braak
Pollyanna! I’m 100% certain it will end that way, bar natural disasters like H5N1 pandemic and/or major war that clears some of the deck, so to speak.

But I am not hopeless. I think that the leftist crap and all that goes with it will be very, very subdued - in a while, and at least for a good long while. But we conservatives need courage, badly.


Well, my fears is a civil war will tear us apart at some point in the future unless the libs have a "come to Jesus/God" moment, using a figure of speech here. I do realize there always have been divisions there like for example during the FDR days, but both sides had a lot in common where they pulled together and we fought as one and stood as one. I've seen places like Democratic Underground and some others who are so mean, they would put all of us in jail if not worse. Already in a way, we are in a war now but it is more like a "cold war" right now. I pray it doesn't go hot but I'm afraid there will be a point where some hotshot on their side or ours will start something and light the fuse.

I'm not too worried about bird flu, generally if you are healthy and practice good hygiene you're 70 or 75 percent there in surviving and/or not catching it at all. Atomic war, well, a civil war here can cause that or vice versa.

One of my favorite sites is John Titor, a supposed time traveller from 2036 who came to 1975 and 2000 where he says we end up in a civil war. Well, the time travelling part I'm dubious on, I mean I need more proof, but more likely, the story is put out by some person or group who is trying to warn us that if we keep continuing on this path, we will end up with a future similar in the story. I get the impression that whomever is behind this is of a religious/conservative/libertarian bent, there are elements of all three. You can read it at http://www.johntitor.com although I cannot confirm or deny the story, but I just point out that it is a warning to us to where we could be headed.

It really hurts me to even think that way, but we can't ignore it if we seem to be headed that way. It is like watching the old movie where you see two locomotives crashing and wishing you can stop it and hoping you can.
49 posted on 12/07/2008 6:54:47 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: maica
We have abandoned two generations to the hands of public school and university ideologues, and now we wonder why we do not have ‘conservative’ voters. We should have be pushing back for decades, but we didn't. We are reaping...

Add the pervasive indoctrination that American school children receive to the instant gratification society that we have evolved into because of our affluence in the age of the computer chip; stir with all the focus on pop culture instead of history and values of decency; and we have a recipe for a country that may not be able to be turned back to the Right.


Well, way back when, somebody should have just said, "no" to all of this and backed it up. If we did, we'd be better off today.
50 posted on 12/07/2008 6:56:16 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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