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Lessons from Britain and Canada Could Save the GOP
Town Hall ^ | November 21, 2008 | Matt Lewis

Posted on 12/06/2008 2:32:36 PM PST by yongin

Much has been written lately regarding how the Republican Party might re-form itself into a winning operation. Of course, this debate has been around for a long time, but our recent losses have reignited the debate. This time, however (perhaps having learned from liberals that “progressive” sounds better) -- the moderates have re-branded themselves as “modernizers”, “reformers”, or “pragmatists”. And to give their revolution some historical credibility, they have given themselves a new hero: British Conservative Party Leader David Cameron.

In their minds, Cameron is the crusading moderate who wrested control of the Conservative Party from…well…conservatives -- dragged it kicking and screaming into the 21st Century -- and now stands ready to become Prime Minister in the 2009 Election. They are right on two counts: the first being that Cameron is a moderate and the second being that he is a political genius.

Indeed, there is much we can learn from Mr. Cameron, and even as a staunch conservative I think that elements of his template could be the keys to future Republican victories. However, the idea that he would be on board with their reverse-RINO-hunt is complete and utter rubbish -- and it shows great ignorance of how Cameron has revitalized British conservatism. If we really want to implement the Cameron model, we must first understand the details of what he did…and what he did differs starkly with the ideas currently being floated by angry moderates hungry for conservative blood.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 111th; 2008; davidcameron; gop; rebuilding; tory

1 posted on 12/06/2008 2:32:37 PM PST by yongin
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To: yongin

Huh? Cameron is pretty liberal and Boris loves Obama. Harper in Canada I think is more conservative.

As soon as Harper won the Canuck Libs pulled a fast one with a coalition to kick him out of office a immediately. They used the Obama template and were assistied by Obama people.


2 posted on 12/06/2008 2:37:10 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: yongin
. . . the moderates have re-branded themselves as “modernizers”, “reformers”, or “pragmatists”.

A/K/A "faggots".

3 posted on 12/06/2008 2:40:14 PM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: yongin
"...angry moderates hungry for conservative blood"

ROFLMAO!! That's a good one. "I'm so mad I could crush a grape."

4 posted on 12/06/2008 2:43:22 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (All points of view tolerated...as long as they agree with mine.)
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To: yongin
I'm in favor of establishing a new Conservative Party here. Republican sounds like a boring label. Let's be proud of being conservatives!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 12/06/2008 2:44:06 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Frantzie
In left-wing Canada conservatives have recovered by emphasizing their conservatism, not by trying to moderate or water it down. They have kept on gaining seats and winning in places that haven't elected a Conservative for a generation. Therein lies the lesson for the American Right: being Democrat Lite is not a prescription for victory.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 12/06/2008 2:47:24 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: yongin
Britain and the US are quite different in lots of ways. Conservatism on Britain is not the same as conservatism in America. While conservatives in America are strongly pro life for example, plenty of conservatives in the UK are for abortion.
Not to mention, the UK is totally fed up with the sleaze and corruption of the Labour Party, that has been in power for 10 years, and the public blames the Labour Party for the financial meltdown in Britain, just as the public in America(wrongly) blamed Republicans for the financial meltdown here, because Bush has been in power for 8 years.
Conservatives will win next year as part of the normal cycle of politics, hereby one party is in power for some time, screw up, the public gets fed up with them, then throw them out and vote for the other party.
It would be wrong to read too much into anything that Cameron has done, as the cause of the Conservatives turn around in the polls.
7 posted on 12/06/2008 2:50:09 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: goldstategop

Good point. I may start to sound like Alec Baldwin and decide I want to move to Canada if this Indonesian citizen of British/Kenyan birth gets sworn in.


8 posted on 12/06/2008 2:51:40 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: goldstategop
In left-wing Canada conservatives have recovered by emphasizing their conservatism, not by trying to moderate or water it down. They have kept on gaining seats and winning in places that haven't elected a Conservative for a generation. Therein lies the lesson for the American Right: being Democrat Lite is not a prescription for victory”

you are exactly right.
And the author of this article is quite wrong on his analysis.

9 posted on 12/06/2008 2:52:15 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Norman Bates; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clintonfatigued; jveritas

Things stink right now. But to put it in perspective, we did have a nice run in the past 28 years. We had the White House from 1980-1992 and 2000-2008. We had Congress from 1994-2006. We also held the majority of the Governorships durng that period. We are could be entering a period where conservativism is burnt out in need of a break. Obama was elected because too many people just wanted to try something new. As bad as things are now, I am confident that we will bounce back. The success of Brit Cameron and Canadian Harper are proof of that. The question is will it take 4 years or 12 years?


10 posted on 12/06/2008 2:52:52 PM PST by yongin (Converting people to Mormonism makes the world more conservative)
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To: surely_you_jest
The moderates abandoned the bipartisan Republican, the one they said could work with Democrats and endorsed and voted for Obama.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

11 posted on 12/06/2008 2:54:09 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: yongin; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; Squawk 8888; ...

12 posted on 12/06/2008 2:56:27 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: yongin
I think it will take a generation. The New Deal lasted from 1932 to 1980. The Reagan Era lasted from 1980 to 2008. So these shifts come and go in cycles. We're now entering a period of liberal ascendancy.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 12/06/2008 2:57:22 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SmokingJoe
It would be wrong to read too much into anything that Cameron has done, as the cause of the Conservatives turn around in the polls. It would be wrong to underestimate his influence as well. Michael Howard (the last party leader) singularly failed to re-vitalise the Conservative Party and make it electable the way Cameron has done, despite the fact that in the 2005 election, Nu-Labour and Tony Blair were extremely unpopular because of the Iraq war and nanny-statist policies, but the Conservative Party was still not seen under Howard as a party that was worth trusting with government.....
14 posted on 12/06/2008 2:57:34 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: yongin

It’s not “conservative” that is burnt out: it’s he Fake Conservatism associated with RINOS and Bush that haven’t gone far enough to actually live up to their promises to re-direct America into a Conservative nation (aka roll-back the New Deal& Co).


15 posted on 12/06/2008 2:58:37 PM PST by JSDude1 (Like the failed promise of Fascism masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism- Nephi)
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To: yongin
The funny thing is that the great majority of "true conservatives" here did and do support nation building efforts in Iraq.

I suppose it is time for every nation builder get off his/her high conservative horse first, before we ever had a chance to have a meaningful discussion about moving forward.

16 posted on 12/06/2008 2:59:45 PM PST by alex
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To: yongin

I am willing to bet, we will gain plenty of seats in the House come 2010, so far as we elect a proper conservative RNC Chair, boot out the amnesty loving, anti-ANWR drilling people that the Bush/McCain cabal have left us with, and work hard to nominate strong conservative candidates to stand in the 2010 elections in seats that are currently held by the Dims. If the Bush RNC was not been asleep and had worked to remove Stevens and put in a solid, non-corrupt Republican candidate, we would have the US Senate seat in Alaska by now.


17 posted on 12/06/2008 2:59:58 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: yongin

Looking at the examples RINOs present, it is more clear than ever that they will never lead the party to victory, and even if they did, (in their fantasies) it would be a losing proposition.


18 posted on 12/06/2008 3:00:03 PM PST by pallis
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
The Conservatives are learning the much of the Green agenda is political poison. People want the environment protected but they don't want pay more to do it. I think their their sweeping wins last fall, they stressed bread and butter themes. David Cameron is discovering what works and what doesn't.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

19 posted on 12/06/2008 3:00:55 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SmokingJoe
We have to stop writing off Blue States. We'll have to invest resources, time and money to build a strong grassroots in the Northeast, Illinois and the Left Coast. It may take a generation but we will only be a majority party can when conservatives can win all across the country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

20 posted on 12/06/2008 3:06:19 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: yongin

Cameron is a British Obama.


21 posted on 12/06/2008 3:06:53 PM PST by FFranco
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To: yongin

I like this excerpt.


Most of the program did, however, succeed. If you go to the party’s website or watch their ads you will see a much more hopeful message than you did a few years ago. Gone is the old logo, a rather intimidating hand grasping a torch. It has been replaced by a very happy-looking tree. Everything about the new message is hopeful, sunny, and forward looking — and the focus is now on “quality of life” issues like family, healthcare and education. Granted, the old “taxes and national security” message is still there, but it comes packaged as part of a larger message that the Conservative Party cares about people. Cameron also makes a point of being modern and tech-savvy, as illustrated by his “WebCameron” video blogs. These are all fantastic moves, and the Republican Party should move quickly to implement them (of course, technology is philosophically neutral). By the way, the people who are broadening this discussion here in America are conservative governors like Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal. They are the real “American Camerons” in my mind.


22 posted on 12/06/2008 3:12:47 PM PST by yongin (Converting people to Mormonism makes the world more conservative)
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To: SmokingJoe
The 2010 prospects depend a lot on the state of the economy.

As for RNC Chair, who do you favor - Steele, Dawson, Saul A., Duncan? I can't believe Duncan is running again. He thinks Saxby’s reelection win entitles him to another term. The MI GOP did not fare well under Saul A's leadership. I suspect his main priority as RNC Chair will be to help Mitt Romney get the Presidential nomination in 2012. Dawson proved he is not incompetent. The GOP is still strong in SC. As for Steele, he is telegenic and ran a dynamite Senate campaign in the Marxist red state of MMD. But he was never elected in his own right. With O’Malley’s approval ratings shaky, Steele might be a contender for MD Governor. So my pick for RNC Chair would be Kit Dawson.

23 posted on 12/06/2008 3:27:48 PM PST by yongin (Converting people to Mormonism makes the world more conservative)
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To: FFranco

No, Tony Blair was our Obama. We’re over that now, at least until the next one comes along. Despite all the tree-hugging media image, Cameron is IMHO a true Conservative (in the British Disraelian sense) who believes in traditional English values and liberties and one-nationism....


24 posted on 12/06/2008 3:28:03 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Frantzie
As soon as Harper won the Canuck Libs pulled a fast one with a coalition to kick him out of office a immediately.

Not quite. They had an opportunity on Nov 19 to vote not to accept the speech from the throne. They seemed to think that they would appear less obviously idiotic by waiting two weeks to attempt it, or that the GG would be more likely to let them get away with it.
25 posted on 12/06/2008 3:31:10 PM PST by caveat emptor
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To: goldstategop

I agree....rename it the Conservative party and let what’s left the Republicans decide where they want to be...


26 posted on 12/06/2008 4:38:41 PM PST by teg_76
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To: goldstategop

Too long, country can’t take it.


27 posted on 12/06/2008 4:51:41 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: goldstategop; teg_76; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy

If they did that in the 30’s (or 10’s 50’s whatever though civil rights would be a major sticking point in after WW2) it might have helped Southern dems defect faster. An official attempted at a merger and purging of liberal Republicans would have made sense then.

“Oh look we’re a new different party, not the one your grandfather died fighting in the civil war”.

I wonder if such a change today would appeal to idiots who call themselves conservative (still over 40% of the electorate I think) that vote for fauxcon labor rats.


28 posted on 12/06/2008 4:59:46 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: yongin; goldstategop; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy

The lesson from Canada seems to be “only have 1 right of center party and hope the main left party remains scandal plagued and incompetent”.

The lesson from Britain is “let the economy suck after the other party has been in charge for 15 years and talk like a moderate climate change climate change green green”.

For us the sheen on his majesty needs to come off. I don’t believe there has been some liberal sea change. Bush and GOP incompetence and failure to keep their promises coupled with a recession gave the left this opening. In a few years most of those college aged Obamites will (hopefully) cease caring about “green politics” and “gay rights” and be worring about feeding their families like most people.

In the short term we need far-left overreaching and incompetence or else Barry will probably get another term.

Continued economic crisis could result in a swift rebound OR could result in a FDR style disaster depending on how stupid America really is.


29 posted on 12/06/2008 5:13:09 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

Unless America becomes more like France, the two party system will remain. Success of 3rd party movements tend to be short lived. Take Jesse Ventura. After winning the Governorship, the Reform party hoped to expand nationwide. However, Ventura didn’t run for another term and the Reform Party couldn’t win any other office in MN. Support for 3rd parties are “summer flings” rather than long term relationships. When people join 3rd parties, they quickly learn how tedious the political process can be. Its more than waving signs at rallies. Its long hours stuffing envelopes, knocking on doors, and making phone calls on a Weekend afternoon or Weekday evening. They figure why do this work for just 1% of the vote? They eventually leave the 3rd party and either become politically apathetic or become reabsorbed by the 2 party system.


30 posted on 12/06/2008 5:27:39 PM PST by yongin (Converting people to Mormonism makes the world more conservative)
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To: yongin

Oh no the idea wasn’t a third party nut rather renaming the Republican party.

And my historical ‘wish’ idea for back in the day was for a GOP merger with ‘conservative dems’ under a new banner, not a third party.

I in no way am for that foolishness, a split on the right eliminated any chance of anything but a Liberal Party Government in Canada until they merged.


31 posted on 12/06/2008 6:06:35 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: yongin

Excellent analysis. The Republicans cannot keep winning every elections. No party can win every elections in a democratic system or else it will not be a democracy anymore. In 2008 every odd under the sun was against the Republicans and hence we lost. The news about the demise of Republicanism and Conservatism is greatly exxagerated.


32 posted on 12/06/2008 6:43:37 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: goldstategop
I heard Bob Bennett on Radio the other day and he was saying that the doom and gloom that the media and even some conservatives pundits are saying about the Republican party is way over exxagerated. He mentioned that the situation of the Republican party in 2008 is still much better in 1976 after Carter won and democrats had a 2/3 majoritiy in Congress. He said that back then top Republicans were thinking of changing the name of the party because they feared that the name Republican was too dangerous in politics. And then we all know the rest of the story.
33 posted on 12/06/2008 6:50:35 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: goldstategop

Yep. We aint going to win if we are just the white Southern Baptist party.


34 posted on 12/06/2008 6:58:51 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: yongin; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; Cannoneer No. 4; ...

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35 posted on 12/06/2008 7:43:51 PM PST by Clive
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