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What's with Ben Stein?

Posted on 12/06/2008 3:09:54 PM PST by EveningStar

What's with Ben Stein, anyway? He's been acting a bit goofy for a while now, but what he said yesterday makes me wonder if he's lost it.

Michael Medved had Stein on his show yesterday. Ben made several pronouncements:

-- He supports the bailout. Moreover, he would bail out states if needed.

-- He was vehemently opposed to the Sarah Palin pick for VP. I checked out a past YouTube video where he was quite vitriolic about it.

-- He's for taxing the rich at a higher rate. OK. I already knew about this. But, WTFF???

No. I don't think he supported Obama in the election At least I hope not.


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1 posted on 12/06/2008 3:09:54 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

I loved Win Ben Stein’s Money. It was one of my favorite shows.

I wrote the guy off when he started supporting Creationism - uh, er - “Intelligent Design”.


2 posted on 12/06/2008 3:11:33 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: EveningStar

I agree. He has written some great editorials but recently his views seem a bit wacky.


3 posted on 12/06/2008 3:11:58 PM PST by tips up
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To: EveningStar
It sounds like Mr. Stein has gone over to the Dark Side ..
4 posted on 12/06/2008 3:12:00 PM PST by Ken522
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To: EveningStar

I think Ben’s kid is driving him nuts.


5 posted on 12/06/2008 3:12:47 PM PST by Palladin (Obama on Ayers: "He's just a guy in my neighborhood." LIAR!!!)
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To: CE2949BB

Yeah. What really bugged me about it was that he misrepresented the evolution side.


6 posted on 12/06/2008 3:13:23 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

He’s hoping for a job on MSNBC?


7 posted on 12/06/2008 3:13:30 PM PST by Carley (Prayers for Sgt. Eddie Ryan)
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To: EveningStar
Here's what I call the Rush Limbaugh Theory of Conservatism:

You know the old saying that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged? Well, a liberal is a conservative who has made so much money, that they couldn't possibly spend it in their lifetime.

-PJ

8 posted on 12/06/2008 3:14:53 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: EveningStar

If you spend too much time in Hollywood or Washington DC, you become acclimatized. It’s called “going native.”

Happens all the time.


9 posted on 12/06/2008 3:16:08 PM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: EveningStar

I only met him once, but I got the feeling that he’s an FDR democrat at heart. He doesn’t really fit in anywhere.


10 posted on 12/06/2008 3:19:30 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: EveningStar

Ben Stein has always been at his roots an Eastern Establishment type, more comfortable with the elites than with the grass roots.


11 posted on 12/06/2008 3:22:06 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: EveningStar

That would certainly be a HUGE concern of mine [not], since I don’t buy into it at all as it relates to the origin of the species. Actually, I do want both sides depicted honestly, but the inability of the evolutionist to face reality, makes the intelligent design folks look like sages. And that’s something evolutions just can’t come to terms with.


12 posted on 12/06/2008 3:23:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Okay lefties... the problem with wanting something, is that you sometimes get it. Good luck now!)
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To: EveningStar

He’s in full panic mode. His investments have gone south.


13 posted on 12/06/2008 3:25:07 PM PST by Mr. Peabody
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To: EveningStar
Doesn't he live in Sandpoint or whatever it is Idaho just down the road from Sly Stallone and a whole bunch of Hollywood types. He's about as mainstream America as . . . well as a guy living on the beach in Malibu.

By the way, where's Mr. Precious these days?

14 posted on 12/06/2008 3:25:08 PM PST by Oratam
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To: EveningStar
When God chose the Jewish people as “His”, He chose them as a nation. Had he chosen them one by one, on merit and brains, some would not have gotten picked. You know what I mean.
15 posted on 12/06/2008 3:25:24 PM PST by fish hawk (Atheism is a non-prophet organization)
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To: DoughtyOne

No it is the creationists that look like idiots. There is no evidence for creationism and anyone who thinks the world is 7000 years old is no better than a flat earther or believer in Obama’s change.


16 posted on 12/06/2008 3:27:47 PM PST by Birdwatcher
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To: abb
If you spend too much time in Hollywood or Washington DC, you become acclimatized. It’s called “going native.”

Ben's more than just "acclimatized." He's part of the Hollywood machinery. He's certainly not a conservative and never has been. He plays both sides against the middle when it suits him. He's mainly interested in the greater glory and financial success of Ben Stein. He's very talented, smart and is a gifted writer.

17 posted on 12/06/2008 3:29:23 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: EveningStar

>>Yeah. What really bugged me about it was that he misrepresented the evolution side.<<

What exactly do you feel was misrepresented in a movie stating that ID is not allowed to be talked about at University?

Could you please give an example where ID is taught at University, in a non-Catholic school or in a non-Religion class?

And please understand that the evolutionists have defined Intelligent Design as Creationism and therefore all theories of God creating the universe have been shunned unless you can prove otherwise.

If you cannot, you have proved the point of the movie.


18 posted on 12/06/2008 3:29:51 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: EveningStar

Stein was supporting the idea that if the government wants to just print money, it’s not a problem at a time like this considering supposed deflation. He was also on board about any bailout you could imagine. It didn’t sit well with me.


19 posted on 12/06/2008 3:30:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Okay lefties... the problem with wanting something, is that you sometimes get it. Good luck now!)
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To: Birdwatcher

“Intelligent Design” has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Bible, Genesis, Fundamentalism, or the earth being 7000 years old!


20 posted on 12/06/2008 3:30:30 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: EveningStar

He’s gone to the dark side.


21 posted on 12/06/2008 3:31:01 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: CE2949BB

WHY? ITS TRUE!


22 posted on 12/06/2008 3:32:40 PM PST by NOBAMA in 08 ( OBIE HUSSEIN is a Pathetic Puppet of Bill Ayers and Associates!)
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To: DoughtyOne
but the inability of the evolutionist to face reality, makes the intelligent design folks look like sages

Their opponents' tendency to immediately resort to insults makes the ID folks look alot more even mannered as well.

23 posted on 12/06/2008 3:32:48 PM PST by skeeter
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To: All

ID and evolution both have gaping holes in them. My issue with both is that both sides feel like it is an all or nothing proposition, that no compromise is possible in science.

Once you start shutting out other theories or idea then your science is dead.

I watched Steins movie Expelled, it was thought provoking at points but you could tell he had the fervor of a “True Believer” and his interviewees on the other side were wacky as hell as well.

That being said, I have felt for a long while that old Ben was indeed his own man and doesnt really subscribe to either side of the political spectrum.. And I can respect that.


24 posted on 12/06/2008 3:35:42 PM PST by USAFJeeper
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To: EveningStar

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension
as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle-ground between
light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the
pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of
imagination. It is an area we call the “Twilight Zone”.


25 posted on 12/06/2008 3:36:01 PM PST by Gator113 ("Noli nothis permittere te terere.")
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To: Mr. Peabody

Nah He went to Gold in June-July when things started looking like ZERO had conned his way onto the ballot!:-)


26 posted on 12/06/2008 3:36:17 PM PST by NOBAMA in 08 ( OBIE HUSSEIN is a Pathetic Puppet of Bill Ayers and Associates!)
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To: EveningStar

Ben Stein is a Nixon conservative. In other words, he’s a liberal.


27 posted on 12/06/2008 3:37:00 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Birdwatcher

...says the guy who can’t prove a damned thing with regard to a a solid irrefutable lineage of omeba to Man.

I am always entertained by the pseudo scientists out there who think they have the final word on anything.

Yes, there are questions that I have concerning both creation and evolution. Neither can prove it’s major points. At least the folks who believe in creation understand what faith is. Those who support evolution deny that they must indulge in it to believe their pipe dream.

Now, perhaps you explain how some contemporary beliefs accepted by the scientific community today, are diametrically opposed to beliefs held even twenty years ago. There are plenty out there, and much more if you increase that time frame to eighty years. And in another twenty, theories we have today will also be turned on their heads.

Evolution is a theory. The end. Other theories deserve equal billing.


28 posted on 12/06/2008 3:39:46 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Okay lefties... the problem with wanting something, is that you sometimes get it. Good luck now!)
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To: EveningStar

Maybe he’s made anough money off the conservatives and has decided to switch because he can make money off the lefties now. I have noticed several are going that route.

What cheap cowards.


29 posted on 12/06/2008 3:41:20 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: EveningStar

What happened to his son, who was addicted to a video game and had to be sent away to school? How old is he now?


30 posted on 12/06/2008 3:41:34 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Birdwatcher

“There is no evidence for creationism and anyone who thinks the world is 7000 years old”

yes there is. The Word of G-d is the best evidence you can get.


31 posted on 12/06/2008 3:42:02 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: skeeter

I agree. Most everyone I know believes in evolution. We just keep it in perspective.


32 posted on 12/06/2008 3:42:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Okay lefties... the problem with wanting something, is that you sometimes get it. Good luck now!)
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To: Arthur McGowan
"Expelled" is maddening to discuss on this forum. I saw it for the 1st time the other night, and was profoundly intrigued. I then went back into the archives to see the discussions when it first came out, and folks made irrelevant comment after irrelevant comment. Why?

Stein's thesis: 1) some reputable scientists and journalists who have broached, or pursued the subject of ID, have been attacked by the establishment
2) Evolution has yet to explain first sources, and when one of the major thinkers in this camp (Dawkins) attempted to explain the beginning, he speculated on an advanced alien species who may have "seeded" our world to create that first cell - but under no circumstances was it God

He uses the metaphor of the Berlin Wall: you better keep on our side if you know what is good for you. He also shows how the application of evolution can, and did, lead to Naziism and the holocaust, eugenics, and now abortion.
33 posted on 12/06/2008 3:43:02 PM PST by jobim
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To: USAFJeeper

Actually, I think a lot more people on the creationism side buy into evolution as a concept. We see clear change in species due to the selection processes, or as a result of geographical or climate changes. They just don’t see it as the origin of man.

On the other hand, evolutionists cannot accept creationism on any level.


34 posted on 12/06/2008 3:45:47 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Okay lefties... the problem with wanting something, is that you sometimes get it. Good luck now!)
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To: EveningStar

I thought the same thing last time I saw him on TV- I thought he was a conservstive


35 posted on 12/06/2008 3:52:09 PM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Mr. Peabody

He’s in full panic mode. His investments have gone south.


That is my take too. His earlier pronouncements on the economic crisis were way, way off. He likely made some heavy investments (thinking he was buying on a dip) that turned sour. He may well have lost enough $$ to make him question his worldview—that is another way some conservatives become liberal. He certainly looks physically worse and his voice sounds very hoarse.


36 posted on 12/06/2008 3:52:51 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: EveningStar
Before this thread gets completely hijacked, I will agree with you that Stein seems to have lost his mind.

Either that or he's a fair-weather conservative, and now that a severe economic bubble has burst, he's jumped ship to join the FDR types.

37 posted on 12/06/2008 3:55:08 PM PST by TheWasteLand
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To: Gator113
"There is a Fifth Dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity"



38 posted on 12/06/2008 3:55:19 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: EveningStar
Yeah. What really bugged me about it was that he misrepresented the evolution side.

With that movie he has joined the Michael Moore school of film making.

39 posted on 12/06/2008 3:57:41 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
"Well, a liberal is a conservative who has made so much money, that they couldn't possibly spend it in their lifetime."

. . . who feels guilty and hasn't thought of charity.

yitbos

40 posted on 12/06/2008 3:59:27 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: EveningStar
I listened to Ben Stein on the Medved show the other day and he sounded like an idiot. He actually claimed the treasury could just print money and that it would have no inflationary affect on our currency. He even made some reference to it being like magic. I used to have respect for the man's intellect. I figured he had deluded himself a bit with the creationism, but I still gave him the benefit of the doubt, but after hearing him yesterday it's gone. Apparently he never really figured out that there's no such thing as a free lunch.
41 posted on 12/06/2008 4:05:51 PM PST by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: jobim
2) Evolution has yet to explain first sources,

Darwin gave us the Origin of Species, not the Origin of Life.

and when one of the major thinkers in this camp (Dawkins) attempted to explain the beginning, he speculated on an advanced alien species who may have "seeded" our world to create that first cell

Exogenesis / Panspermia. It's one of the possible explanations for the origin of life on Earth. It, however, doesn't solve the actual problem... since it doesn't explain where the aliens came from.

Saying "God Did It!" doesn't explain anything.

If I remember correctly: Dawkins doesn't support panspermia (or exogenesis), he was just citing it as a possible explanation.

He also shows how the application of evolution can, and did, lead to Naziism and the holocaust, eugenics, and now abortion.

Oy vey.

Not running through that minefield. :)

42 posted on 12/06/2008 4:10:10 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: elmer fudd

Doh! Used an “i” instead of a “p” and ended up with italics instead of a new paragraph.


43 posted on 12/06/2008 4:10:26 PM PST by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: netmilsmom
And please understand that the evolutionists have defined Intelligent Design as Creationism

The Evolution of the "Intelligent Design" textbook Of Pandas and People


44 posted on 12/06/2008 4:13:58 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Birdwatcher
How about we just say “I don’t know”

Both Creationists and Evolutionists are just guessing.

45 posted on 12/06/2008 4:20:55 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Oztrich Boy
They changed "creationists" to "design proponents" -- but they goofed in one place and "creationists" became "cdesign proponentsists" thereby giving away the whole sordid scheme.

And then folks try to tell us that intelligent design is science. This is just more evidence that intelligent design is creationism with the serial numbers filed off in an attempt to fool school boards and the courts.

46 posted on 12/06/2008 4:24:59 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: EveningStar

Ben Stein is the reason we stopped our American Spectator subscription years ago.


47 posted on 12/06/2008 4:25:48 PM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: CE2949BB

I don’t think Stein actually supports Creationism or ID personally. What his fild did was to expose some rather - uh, er - embarrassing problems with boilerplate orthodoxy - not to mention some of the colorful personalities of leading evolutionists.


48 posted on 12/06/2008 4:26:29 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ($750 billion is nothing - surrender your children, wealth and gold fillings now to avoid the rush.)
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To: EveningStar

Ben has gone liberal. His column in the NewMax magazine brags up obama (he voted for him) but said nothing positive. The only reason I could see that he voted for him was his color. He sounded just like the libs who say he is the One.


49 posted on 12/06/2008 4:35:30 PM PST by taxesareforever (Quick justice for the senseless killing of Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Crutchfield.)
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To: EveningStar
Maybe Ben has assumed his "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" personna:

"Bueller?.......Bueller?......Beuller?....."

50 posted on 12/06/2008 4:44:03 PM PST by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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