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Shinseki To Be Veterans' Affairs Secretary
NBC Washington ^ | 12/6/08

Posted on 12/06/2008 3:44:15 PM PST by jamese777

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To: SkyPilot; SLB

I think that you misdirected your response to SLB. Those words were mine. I didn’t work for Shinseki, we were contemporaries. I admired him as a soldier, don’t care much for where he has cast his political lot.


121 posted on 12/07/2008 7:20:16 PM PST by centurion316
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To: tarheelswamprat
..it was not because of the number of troops. It was how they were used, and not used. It was strategic and tactical mismanagement on the part of Bremer..

Yes, and your very good analysis backs up the fact that Shinisky was wrong (in March 2003) in his claim that the US would need 400,000 troops ... or whatever his inflated number was.

My theory was and still is that President Bush, once he realized that the expected stockpiles of "weapons of mass destruction" would not be found, suddenly got cold feet and began to second guess his hard-line advisers and military commanders....

Which simply encouraged US enemies both domestic and abroad to disrupt and distort the ongoing conflict at every opportunity.

The failure to find WMDs fed the egos of the anti-Bush forces in Congress and the media (are there any other kind) and suddenly Bush lost his will to fight.

The other strategic mistake in the lead up to the war was to emphasize the WMD's over and over when the argument SHOULD have been it was vital to dismantle Saddam Hussein's network of terrorist training centers (Iraq at the time harbored Abu Nidal, Abu Abazz, and many many others) and its funding and underlying cooperation with other global terror networks associated with AlQaeda.

Unfortunately, that idiot terrorist Steven Hatfill had everybody in America obsessed with anthrax... which naturally played in to the WMD narrative.

Lastly, if you want to make some quick cash with a bar bet (your target should be a Bush-hating lib), bet him or her $1,000 that Iraq was partly behind the World Trade Center attack.

Well, of course every lib Democrat KNOWS that it was 19 SAUDI's who flew those planes into the WTC ... and thus your patsy will likely jump at the chance to agree to your $1,000 bet.

The trap is sprung.

Then you whip out the court transcripts proving that Iraq had indeed supplied a passport and other help ... FOR THE 1993 WTC ATTACK, which killed six people and failed to topple the towers.

People tend to forget the significant role Saddam Hussein played in the 1993 WTC attacks.

122 posted on 12/07/2008 7:35:01 PM PST by Edit35 (.)
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To: Edit35
My theory was and still is that President Bush, once he realized that the expected stockpiles of "weapons of mass destruction" would not be found, suddenly got cold feet and began to second guess his hard-line advisers and military commanders.... Which simply encouraged US enemies both domestic and abroad to disrupt and distort the ongoing conflict at every opportunity.

I appreciate your thoughtful reply - that's as plausible a scenario as any. It's a shame that we'll never get a straight answer or explanation from Bush himself...

123 posted on 12/07/2008 8:19:21 PM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: CondorFlight

The infantry still has their CIB which is unique from the CAB. Likewise the Rangers still have a unique beret.


124 posted on 12/07/2008 8:34:11 PM PST by chargers fan
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To: driftdiver

Yes, I see your point. I simply thought it necessary to point out that Mr. Rumsfeld was not the paragon of brilliance and leadership that some have painted him to be. I have a son who is soon to be a Marine. My biggest fear is that he and his fellows will be tossed casually into a no-win waste of American blood like Somalia because THAT’S how liberal p***ies think wars should be fought. Or, that ultimately American armed forces will be turned against American citizens who dare speak out against Obastard.

It’s not as far-fetched as one might think. With the current congress and this America-hating sonofabitch at the helm, things could get ugly in a very short while.


125 posted on 12/16/2008 8:37:12 AM PST by 60Gunner (ALL bleeding stops... eventually.)
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To: SkyPilot
" The very fact that he accepted a political appointment from the likes of Barack Obama is evidence he is a bad seed, and of questionable character.

I sympathize with your point of view...but even Robert Gates accepted at least a temporary appointment from Obama, and Robert Gates is a person I greatly respect. Sometimes you take a job because you know it's what's best for your country, even if you don't agree with the politicals in charge. It takes a special person to be able to do this, because it requires extraordinary self-control, prudence, and wisdom...you really need to be able to pick your battles wisely. I won't comment on Shinseki's past career, intentions, or potential as the new head of the VA, because I don't know enough about him. I don't recall him publicly gloating after it turned out he was right, and that seems like an example of good character to me...it shows that he may be quite humble after all.

126 posted on 12/17/2008 5:36:48 PM PST by Valentine_W
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