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Sociology Prof's Solution To Detroit Meltdown: Unionize Toyota!
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 12/06/2008 4:49:01 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

Only a professor, preferably a sociology professor, one with way too much time on his hands, could have come up with this one. His solution to the Detroit crisis that has the Big Three automakers on the brink of bye-bye? Unionize their foreign competitors manufacturing in the USA!

Now why didn't we think of that? Because we're not Jonathan Cutler, associate professor of sociology at Wesleyan University. His solution in a nutshell, contained in his Los Angeles Times column of today [emphasis added]:

"[N]ot to tear down the historic and heroic gains won by prior generations of UAW workers. If there is hope long term -- for the unionized Big Three companies and for the UAW -- it rests in dealing with the unfinished business of the 1980s: unionizing the unorganized transplants."

Let's count the ways that won't work:

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: automakers; bigthree; leftists; professors; toyota; uaw; unions
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1 posted on 12/06/2008 4:49:02 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Pointy-headed perfesser ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 12/06/2008 4:49:49 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Keeping track of the MSM so you don't have to!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

LMAO!


3 posted on 12/06/2008 4:50:44 PM PST by monkeycard (There's no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Socialism’s ultimate goal: Don’t elevate anyone, bring everyone down to the same level of suffering.


4 posted on 12/06/2008 4:51:51 PM PST by Washi (Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) leads directly to Irrational Obama Exuberance (IOE))
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To: Washi

Except those in charge — the ones more equal.


5 posted on 12/06/2008 4:53:14 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: Washi

Exactly.


6 posted on 12/06/2008 4:53:14 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I think this would be considered an Act of War by the Japanese. ;)


7 posted on 12/06/2008 4:53:14 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I once knew a guy who grew up on a hippie commune and worked in a communist food co-op (no bosses, everyone paid the same, every decision made by a vote).

The co-op went out of business and I asked him if he thought there was a lesson about communism in it. His reply: "It only went out of business because it had to compete with non-communist businesses. Otherwise, it would have been fine."

This is what passes for thinking among the left.

8 posted on 12/06/2008 4:54:13 PM PST by TheWasteLand
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

They can try it. Those are words of war. I’ll defend the interests of foreign companies before I’ll let our country be debased into a socialism that is indistinguishable from that which we fought during the cold war.


9 posted on 12/06/2008 4:54:50 PM PST by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Wow. Talk about your Atlas Shrugged scenario. LOL. If one company has a winning formaula..make them adopted the loser’s formula just so things are fair!


10 posted on 12/06/2008 4:55:29 PM PST by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking"..J.C. Watts)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Great solution he has there. lol

Instead of the “big three” taking a hit. Just make them all suck equally. Idiot....


11 posted on 12/06/2008 4:56:11 PM PST by KoRn
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Oh now that makes sense, I’d hate to have to work for 40 plus an hour, with benefits, without having a union taking money out of my paycheck all the while telling me how terrible my employer is..all the while still having a job to go to...


12 posted on 12/06/2008 4:56:19 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

A better strategy would be to de-unionize the Big 3, sadly soon to be the Dead 3.

I get sick of the Dems in congress demonizing the automakers management. I have no idea how you could even try to manage these companies when their is a NO energy policy, CAFE standard, endless enviro, safety, fuel and other regulations plus a unionized workforce with a sole goal of bleeding the companies to death.


13 posted on 12/06/2008 4:57:02 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: CE2949BB
I think this would be considered an Act of War by the Japanese.

Let it be war then. We can drop a few of our sociology professors on them and they'll surrender all over again. More destructive than an A-bomb.

14 posted on 12/06/2008 4:57:51 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

this is the goal of the UAW and their Dem accomplices in the Congress with “card check”. They are going to attempt to coerce the workers at all of the non-union auto plants in the Southeast to join the union.


15 posted on 12/06/2008 4:58:20 PM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
But even if starting tomorrow the boys of the UAW went to work 24/7 to unionize them and, against all odds, were successful, a labor lawyer friend tells me it would take six-to-twelve months just to be named the bargaining representative, at which point contract negotiations would only begin.

If the unions manage to unionize American Toyota plants, there will just be no American Toyota plants. They will simply pack up and move back to Japan.

16 posted on 12/06/2008 4:58:41 PM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

If you don’t mind paying 50% more for your next car, that would work.


17 posted on 12/06/2008 4:59:09 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

No professor should be given tenure unless he/she spent at least 5 years in the private sector or the military. That would end pointy-headed ivory tower loons like this guy.


18 posted on 12/06/2008 4:59:27 PM PST by henkster (It's time for a conservative "long march through the institutions.")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Only from liberal, insane academia. The worm who has never really been out of the inside of a textbook....sheltered from reality by the book cover.


19 posted on 12/06/2008 5:01:48 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This leftist perfesser best not set foot in any of those plants here in the US, I doubt he’d be welcomed by the non-union American workers, their jobs seem to be safe.


20 posted on 12/06/2008 5:01:53 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Unbelievable idiocy.

And this is an example of what is ‘teaching’ our children.

Be afraid. Be VERY afraid! Their graduating classes are what is already starting to run this country.


21 posted on 12/06/2008 5:03:46 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

bump


22 posted on 12/06/2008 5:05:39 PM PST by VOA
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This is pretty predictable. The Big Three can’t compete with the non-unionized foreign manufacturers when it costs them so much more to manufacture a car. The Obama Administration and the UAW are not going to let the Big Three void the union contracts if they can help it. Thus, the only solution is to unionize the American plants of the foreign manufacturers.


23 posted on 12/06/2008 5:07:02 PM PST by CommerceComet
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The Ultimate Socialist Driving Machine


24 posted on 12/06/2008 5:07:27 PM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Dumb beyond belief.


25 posted on 12/06/2008 5:09:23 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: mrmargaritaville

The rats also want to eliminate the provision in federal labor law that allows right to work states. With right to work status, the union will be weak. Eliminating right to work will allow a militant union to ruin the industry.


26 posted on 12/06/2008 5:11:59 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
This is precisely what card check is about , I am surprised this is made news .
27 posted on 12/06/2008 5:12:13 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: CharacterCounts
If the unions manage to unionize American Toyota plants, there will just be no American Toyota plants. They will simply pack up and move back to Japan.

Then the rats will impose tariffs. The rats will make a truce with the foreign auto makers. The rats will force them to substantially increase labor costs. The rats will provide assurance that the foreign auto makers can pass the additional costs to the consumer.

28 posted on 12/06/2008 5:14:09 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: TheWasteLand

Reminds me of the comment from the worker in the old Soviet Union “Sytem good. We pretend work. They pretend pay us”. What does one expect from a sociology perfesser?


29 posted on 12/06/2008 5:14:22 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: CharacterCounts

“If the unions manage to unionize American Toyota plants, there will just be no American Toyota plants.”

How very true! And then the big 3 and congress would wonder why Americans are still buying and possibly paying more for foreign made vehicles. Then the government would impose some idiotic regulation barring import of foreign made vehicles. Of course, neither the companies nor the government, realizing the foreign made vehicles’ product and customer service are far superior


30 posted on 12/06/2008 5:15:08 PM PST by ebersole
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To: Maelstorm

I don’t think anyone wants to replicate the Soviet Union, do they? Either they are stupid, or they have no idea how it actually worked. One had “a job”, a government job of course - but it was assigned - it might mean a commute - and, one couldn’t quit either, nor transfer, etc. “We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us.”

Unions are in some ways a victim of their own success. Weekends, for one example, are now pretty much standard fare in the US. This isn’t the natural order of things or the default. 80+ hour workweeks used to be standard at some factories. Minimum wages, paid holidays, etc, many of the fought for work conditions have been folded into federal and state laws for all employers whether unionized or not.


31 posted on 12/06/2008 5:17:41 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: TheWasteLand
His reply: "It only went out of business because it had to compete with non-communist businesses. Otherwise, it would have been fine."

How revealing. This is the ultimate goal of Communists. Destroy all non communist businesses.

Democrats are right on the same page.

32 posted on 12/06/2008 5:19:52 PM PST by A message
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To: ebersole

Then Toyota and others will all move to Mexico (NAFTA tariff free zone) and make 100% of America’s cars and trucks. Another American industry bites the dust!


33 posted on 12/06/2008 5:23:03 PM PST by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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To: businessprofessor

Bring back the Trabbie!

This was socialized transportation at it’s finest. First, it was a three-cylinder (gotta mix gas and oil, like a lawnmower) 2-cycle engine, droppped in the finest body, though not by Fisher, constructed of compressed wool and cardboard. The waiting list (yes... there was a waiting list) was long enough for inter-generational strategery. Usually when a child was born it was a good time to apply. Some years later, word would come down “pick up your car”; payment was due in full which usually meant borrowing from friends and family because the car would be sold to another party without fast payment.

Auto insurance was unknown as well if not illegal. I’m not sure how that worked out. It’s always been a mystery to me on the near complete absence of anti-communists/socialists/collectivists (from countries who know better now) in the popular culture and news media. Reagan once said something like “A socialist is someone who has read Marx, a capitalist is somebody who has read, and understands, Marx...”


34 posted on 12/06/2008 5:25:39 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Frantzie
"A better strategy would be to de-unionize the Big 3, sadly soon to be the Dead 3.

You'd better PRAY that is the outcome. Because if they get their bail out money, this country is finished.

While we are waiting, buy extra staples to build up your emergency food stocks every time you go shopping.

Many may be thinking that things are bad now, but will get better. They are fooling themselves. This is only the beginning. The real depression will start to show itself around the same time "the big 3" come back to beg for another bail out, which will be when the big 3 have to cough up another 51 billion that they owe the retirement health care plan, which is due next December. Of course, that will also be when the bail out money which kept them open for the 2008 fiscal year runs out as well. They will be looking for another 100 billion at the very least, and more land to park all the cars they are building to keep union workers employed that nobody can afford to buy.

Perhaps the government should bail out the consumer instead. give US trillions of dollars so we can buy a new car, as well as other things.

Then the next time free money runs out, at least we'll all have new cars to drive around looking for jobs in.

35 posted on 12/06/2008 5:26:13 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Here’s a much simpler plan:

Require the foreign makers to leave one wheel off each car they build. That will boost sales for Detroit.


36 posted on 12/06/2008 5:27:26 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

Sounds good, but somehow I suspect that within a couple years Toyota would be building a hot new tricycle that would garner about a 20% market share ;-)


37 posted on 12/06/2008 5:28:52 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Keeping track of the MSM so you don't have to!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

My brother-in-law, who worked for GM for 25 years, said the same thing. He said that if the Big 3 couldn’t get the unions off of their backs, they’d accept leveling the playing field by going in the other direction, namely, hanging the UAW around Toyota and Honda’s necks. And, of course, the UAW would be all for it.

He was white collar, and said the unions were so oppressive that he couldn’t empty his own wastebasket without running afoul of someone complaining about work rules.


38 posted on 12/06/2008 5:31:48 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
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39 posted on 12/06/2008 5:32:02 PM PST by engrpat (End the National Nightmare on 1-20-2013)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Captain! There’s a passenger overboard....he’s drowning!

THROW THE OTHERS OVERBOARD IMMEDIATELY!


40 posted on 12/06/2008 5:36:21 PM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski

LOL!


41 posted on 12/06/2008 5:38:41 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Keeping track of the MSM so you don't have to!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Sociology is a joke of a discipline, and a pseudo-profession.

Sociologists are just people who otherwise would be unemployable because they don’t know sh*t about how the real world operates.

Every college and university should shut down their sociology programs and fire all the faculty. Think of the money they’d save for more important things...like winning sports teams ;-)


42 posted on 12/06/2008 5:41:14 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
If the "big three" carmakers cut back production (or shut down), then workers will be laid off.

If the "big three" carmakers cut back production (or shut down), then there will be an increase in sales of vehicles made by other auto-makers.

If the non-"big-three" auto makers increase sales, then they will need to hire more employees to make and sell more cars.

43 posted on 12/06/2008 5:48:28 PM PST by syriacus (OBAMA'S CHOICE ----> is to leave a newborn's fate in the hands of 2 people who wanted to kill her.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Soviet Union flag

Working hard to make us all one big union!

44 posted on 12/06/2008 5:48:41 PM PST by Nateman (Socialism sucks.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The Japanese would never consent to the Unionizing of Toyota. They would close every plant in the USA and move
those plants to Mexico.

Result: Fewer jobs in the USA.


45 posted on 12/06/2008 5:50:15 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Good on you, MARTIAL MONK... I have often said that a 3 hour course in sociology is more destructive to true culture than a nuclear weapon. When I was in graduate school in chemistry I had a (fairly conservative) friend with whom I used to hold discussions about life, politics, etc. I was always beating up on sociology and he used to think I was being unfair. Then he got a job a university (as I did as well) and when we met up again at conference a year or so later, he said to me with a wide-eyed expression: “you know, you were absolutely right about those sociologists! They’re crazy!”


46 posted on 12/06/2008 5:51:57 PM PST by Solidstatechemist
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I bet he wears elbow patches, unkempt hair, nerdy glasses, Hushpuppies, an unironed shirt, and has a beard......oh wai...................


47 posted on 12/06/2008 5:54:31 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: JohnLongIsland
What make is the white car in the photo?

The professor has several makes made in socialist countries to choose from--Ladas from the Soviet Union, Trabants from the German Democratic Republic, Dacias from the Socialist Republic of Romania, Zastavas from the Socialist Republic of Serbia in Yugoslavia, and whatever the car made in the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic was called. Of course he'll have to buy a used one.

48 posted on 12/06/2008 5:54:38 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
You should read some of Cutler's stuff on the net. He's not at all a UAW syncophant and holds Walter Ruther and his running dog lackeys responsible for leading that union down the wrong road.

I don't have a copy of his book(s), but I'd suggest you read between the lines on this particular piece vis a vis Toyota.

At the same time I couldn't find much he's said about how the UAW failed to protect the workers at International Harvester as that company, under weak, even criminally ignorant, management ran headlong into serious disinvestment and then bankruptcy at the hands of its debtors (dealers who offloaded their debts to the main IH company by simply not paying their bills for delivered trucks and other motor vehicles and farm equipment).

What Cutler is saying here appears to be that the Big Three are dead unless we kill off the leading automobile manufacturer, Toyota!

49 posted on 12/06/2008 5:59:59 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: truthluva

“Wow. Talk about your Atlas Shrugged scenario.”

Ayn Rand is turning out to be the Nostradamus of our time.

It’s almost spooky.


50 posted on 12/06/2008 6:01:53 PM PST by Magnatron
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