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How McCain blew it with Hispanics [Juan Hernandez alert]
The Press-Telegram, Long Beach, Calif. ^ | 2008-12-07 | Ruben Navarette

Posted on 12/07/2008 12:22:15 AM PST by rabscuttle385

Members of the cultural right have called Juan Hernandez a "border obliteration activist," an "American traitor," and an "agent of the Mexican government."

John McCain's presidential campaign called him something different: director of Hispanic outreach. For 14 months leading up to the election, the Fort Worth, Texas, native was a high-level volunteer at McCain '08 headquarters, where he attended daily senior staff meetings and advised the Arizona senator and his top lieutenants about how to appeal to Hispanic voters.

Part of that strategy was highlighting McCain's record of championing comprehensive immigration reform. Meanwhile, down the hall, another portion of the campaign was hard at work trying to make McCain more palatable to the Republican mainstream by de-emphasizing his record of championing comprehensive immigration reform.

Brilliant.

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1 posted on 12/07/2008 12:22:15 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 12/07/2008 12:22:47 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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—John McCain, October 2, 2008

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3 posted on 12/07/2008 12:23:05 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

We need high profile candidate who can speak fluent Spanish and will challenge Mexican-Americans legal and illegal and ask them point blank, “why are you here? Why isn’t Mexico able to take care of you, it’s own people? Why are you letting the rich white Mexicans run you out of your own lands? Is it right for them to live like kings while telling you to blame your neighbors to the north?”


4 posted on 12/07/2008 12:28:44 AM PST by Clock King (Radical Conservatives, arise!)
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To: rabscuttle385
rabscuttle, it must be very lonely to be one of the FEW freepers who had it right from the start, and right all the way down to the finish line. ;-)

Imagine what he would have done as President on immigration and how the GOP would not take him on over it. Obama will essentially do the same thing, but the GOP thirts for power again, so they will probably join with the grassroots to stand up against his Amnesty plans.

5 posted on 12/07/2008 12:29:13 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Shouldn't we form "Committees of Correspondence" thru Freepmail & V-Cards if FR is to be shut down?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; calcowgirl
rabscuttle, it must be very lonely to be one of the FEW freepers who had it right from the start, and right all the way down to the finish line. ;-)

Not completely. I had calcowgirl's company the entire time :D

6 posted on 12/07/2008 12:33:18 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385
Here's the real "Gay" part of it all. Barf!:

I was very frustrated," he said. "So I went up to him and told him, `Thank you very much for allowing me to participate. It's been a great honor. But I can't go on.' "And to my surprise, he embraced me. And he wouldn't stop embracing me. He said, `Juan, you have no idea how important it is to me for you to be on this campaign. They keep doing this to me in so many areas."'

7 posted on 12/07/2008 12:33:39 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Shouldn't we form "Committees of Correspondence" thru Freepmail & V-Cards if FR is to be shut down?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; upchuck; SC Swamp Fox
Here's the real "Gay" part of it all.

Well, what were you expecting, especially since Juan McCain is always hanging out with Lindsey Grahamnesty?

8 posted on 12/07/2008 12:35:01 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385
I figured they must have had a threesome somewhere along the line there! si se puede /jk
9 posted on 12/07/2008 12:42:43 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Shouldn't we form "Committees of Correspondence" thru Freepmail & V-Cards if FR is to be shut down?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I figured they must have had a threesome somewhere along the line there! si se puede /jk

LOL

10 posted on 12/07/2008 12:47:54 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

Now let me get this straight: Sarah is a drag on the ticket, although she was recruited to re-energize the base, dramatically increase fundraising, solicit volunteers to GOTV, appeal to SC voters, solidify the evangelical and NRA vote, make McCain competitive in the swing states,enhance McCain’s fiscal conservative credentials, and appeal to working class voters and PUMA’s. Except for the last two Sarah performed pretty well in these areas. With respect to them I read somewhere (I can’t remember where) that Reagan Democrats vote Democratic in bad economic times and GOP in good economic times; with respect to PUMA’s I don’t know what happened there. But regarding McCain he did not do his job with these constitutencies: independents, moderates, liberation theology RC types and Hispanics. That’s where the election was lost. McCain let the team down.


11 posted on 12/07/2008 12:56:26 AM PST by techno
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To: rabscuttle385
Meanwhile, down the hall, another portion of the campaign was hard at work trying to make McCain more palatable to the Republican mainstream by de-emphasizing his record of championing comprehensive immigration reform”

Really?
Never saw any of that. All I ever saw was good ole Juan McCain going to kow tow to the LaRaza vermin in a sickening manner, constantly bleatinbg on about how he was going to strangly peruse amnesty for illegals, and spitting in the eye of the conservative base. Even Obama never didn't push amnesty as much as McCain did in these elections. He was not as foolisg as McCain was. Without Gov Palin, McCain would have been totally slaughtered. McCain deserves everything he got.

12 posted on 12/07/2008 3:58:49 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

McCain deserves a HORSE Whipping...he is a RAT Bastid! Why do elected officials have the ability to run for another office while holding an elected position?


13 posted on 12/07/2008 4:30:24 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: rabscuttle385

;-)


14 posted on 12/07/2008 5:07:42 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Part of that strategy was highlighting McCain’s record of championing comprehensive immigration reform. Meanwhile, down the hall, another portion of the campaign was hard at work trying to make McCain more palatable to the Republican mainstream by de-emphasizing his record of championing comprehensive immigration reform.”

He must think conservatives are stupid. Can’t have it both ways.


15 posted on 12/07/2008 5:12:24 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

“Imagine what he would have done as President on immigration and how the GOP would not take him on over it. Obama will essentially do the same thing, but the GOP thirts for power again, so they will probably join with the grassroots to stand up against his Amnesty plans.

EXACTLY why I voted Republican, but NOT for McCain.”


16 posted on 12/07/2008 5:14:28 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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To: techno

Sarah Palin, as far as I’m concerned, walked lock step with McCain’s shamnesty agenda and the GOP did everything possible to keep that under wraps. While she may be conservative in other respects, adding her to the ‘team’ did nothing to change my mind.


17 posted on 12/07/2008 5:19:01 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Republicans should stop trying with Hispanics.

I watched an interview with Geraldo before the election where he was damning McCain and saying he’s never going to win with Hispanics because of the party’s reputation. O’Reilly, or whoever it was, kept interrupting Geraldo and reminding him that McCain is pro-amnesty, and Geraldo would say, “Yeah, yeah, but not his party,” and go on with what he had been saying. He absolutely refused to give McCain a scintilla of credit simply because he was a Republican.


18 posted on 12/07/2008 5:21:54 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: AmericanInTokyo; rabscuttle385
rabscuttle, it must be very lonely to be one of the FEW freepers who had it right from the start, and right all the way down to the finish line. ;-)

I hope that the Pubbies are paying attention vis-a-vis Amnesty. Also hope that they will somehow find their cahones.

19 posted on 12/07/2008 5:28:58 AM PST by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Mccain blew Hispanics, who knew?? Sure it wasn’t gramnasty??Were they legal are illegal, were they the same ones mowing willards yard??


20 posted on 12/07/2008 5:31:16 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: Clock King
We need high profile candidate who can speak fluent Spanish
Noooooooooo, that's the last thing we need. Keep repeating this and maybe you'll get it: borders, language, culture ... borders, language, culture ...
21 posted on 12/07/2008 5:43:48 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"Obama will essentially do the same thing, but the GOP thirts for power again, so they will probably join with the grassroots to stand up against his Amnesty plans."

I doubt it. More likely is that the Democrats, with the connivance of "moderate" Republicans like McCain, Graham, Snowe, Collins, etc. will pass "comprehensive immigration reform" (including voting citizenship status), by an easy margin. Obama will then sign it, and assure a Democrat congressional majority for an indefinite (but very long) period of time----if not indefinitely.

22 posted on 12/07/2008 5:53:38 AM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: rabscuttle385
No, the Hispanics blew it. Why are they blameless because our bribe wasn't big enough?

Why is their decision to crap on America acceptable because they believed they'd personally profit from voting for Obama OK?

23 posted on 12/07/2008 5:59:52 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (It's no longer the Press Van, it's a "Tanker" Truck!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Let’s see BHO preach immigration reform when unemployment is the highest it’s been in 30 years.

Right, let’s bring a bunch of new workers into an already tight economy.

Go for it, BHO, propose to import another 10 million or so. That is bound to be a really popular position with the electorate — especially with lower income types who came out in droves to vote for you.


24 posted on 12/07/2008 6:21:20 AM PST by webstersII
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To: rabscuttle385
Members of the cultural right have called Juan Hernandez a "border obliteration activist," an "American traitor," and an "agent of the Mexican government."
So Ruben reads FR. Gee, who'd a thunk it.

25 posted on 12/07/2008 6:48:14 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: rabscuttle385

Bump


26 posted on 12/07/2008 7:26:19 AM PST by upchuck (Oppressors can tyrannize only by achieving a standing army, a slaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: techno

I agree with your comments. McCain let the Republican Party down - but he has had a habit of doing that.

Yet, “for a brief shining moment,” after Sarah came on board the ticket was actually ahead in the polls. Then came September 15 and our Wall Street firecracker, Treasury Secretary Paulson, screams that the sky is falling. McCain, Bush, and part of the GOP agree - and Pelosi, Reid, and the Dims eagerly concur.

It was downhill after that.


27 posted on 12/07/2008 7:56:37 AM PST by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
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To: rabscuttle385

People use the term Hispanic as though all Spanish speakers have the same political interests. Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, and Cubans are all different with different cultures. cuisines, and interests.


28 posted on 12/07/2008 8:03:21 AM PST by csmusaret (I'd rather have a sister in a whorehouse than have a brother in the US Congress.)
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To: rabscuttle385

If Juan McLAME got BlackBarry’s 67% of the Taco vote and BlackBarry got Juan’s total-——BlackBarry still would have won. NEXT


29 posted on 12/07/2008 8:12:07 AM PST by Electric Graffiti
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To: techno
I read somewhere (I can’t remember where) that Reagan Democrats vote Democratic in bad economic times and GOP in good economic times;

Whoever wrote that seems to have forgotten that 1980 was a real bad economic time after Jimmy Carter. And 1984 was 'Morning in America' time. The Reagan Democrats voted for Reagan in both bad and good times.

30 posted on 12/07/2008 8:12:39 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: Cacique

btt


31 posted on 12/07/2008 9:13:33 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: rabscuttle385

Had it not been for Palin, McCain not only would have lost the Hispanic vote, both legal and illegal, but also the majority of the conservative vote as well. She, and she, alone, saved him from the complete and total embarrassment at the polls that he and the Republican party truly deserved.


32 posted on 12/07/2008 9:23:01 AM PST by penowa
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To: Doctor Raoul

I don’t blame anyone who didn’t vote for McCain. People shouldn’t be expected to vote for one of the worst candidates we’ve ever seen just because it’s part of some flawed party plan.


33 posted on 12/07/2008 11:12:28 AM PST by Bull Market (The Neo-Con experiment failed. John McCain deserved to lose.)
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To: Clock King
We need high profile candidate who can speak fluent Spanish

Give it a few years, and you'll get a candidate who speaks fluent Spanish, and broken English as a second language, and most likely will in this country illegally. By that time, it won't even matter.

34 posted on 12/07/2008 11:17:11 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: Doctor Raoul

Post of the day.


35 posted on 12/07/2008 2:22:33 PM PST by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
You just summarized why I couldn't even hold my nose and vote for McCain until Sarah Palin came on board. After that, we volunteered, made phone calls, passed out literature and worked our butts off. And he carried our county 58%, a county so Democrat that Mondale won it in the Reagan landslide of 1984 and no Republican was elected state representative of our district since it was created in 1969 . . . until this year.

And you know what? Everyone I talked to at county headquarters was there because of Sarah, and in spite of McCain.

Do you think there is a reason all the lieberal mouthpieces are calling Hannity, Rush and any show they can get on and saying they were thinking about voting for McCain until he picked Sarah Palin, then the voted for BaMao? They are freaking afraid of a real American woman!

36 posted on 12/07/2008 6:31:19 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Tublecane
He absolutely refused to give McCain a scintilla of credit simply because he was a Republican.

I suspect that was true for a large percentage of hispanics.

37 posted on 12/07/2008 6:33:04 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Vigilanteman

Sarah has to prove that she can appeal to other voters outside of rural areas. Right now, she is seen as a better looking Minnie Pearl by most of the electorate. She can either change that image or whine about the media. Here’s hoping its the latter.


38 posted on 12/07/2008 6:33:55 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: Wonder Warthog

“More likely is that the Democrats, with the connivance of “moderate” Republicans like McCain, Graham, Snowe, Collins, etc. will pass “comprehensive immigration reform”

Not necessarily.

We held them off once before, and with the economy going in the tank immigration reform is not going to get any more popular. This issue does not resonate with the majority of voters, and with the economy going in the tank the issue will get even less popular with Hispanics.


39 posted on 12/07/2008 7:10:50 PM PST by webstersII
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To: Clemenza
Right now, she is seen as a better looking Minnie Pearl by most of the electorate.

Says who? The enemedia? Westmoreland (our county) isn't exactly rural. Much of the population considers us to be a suburb of Pittsburgh. We were once considered one of the three swing counties (Washington and Allegheny being the other two) of SW Pennsylvania. But after seeing Sarah hold BaMao to less than 42% of the vote here this year, we may not be considered a swing county anymore.

Let Sarah spend part of the next four years visiting other swing counties like ours and then see how she does. Real Americans really connect with her in retail politics in a way that I haven't seen since Ronald Reagan, a campaign I was also intimately involved with in 1976.

40 posted on 12/07/2008 7:30:34 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Vigilanteman

Says every reputable poll. She needs to prove herself as ready for prime time, otherwise she will be a national joke.


41 posted on 12/07/2008 7:32:56 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: webstersII
"We held them off once before, and with the economy going in the tank immigration reform is not going to get any more popular. This issue does not resonate with the majority of voters, and with the economy going in the tank the issue will get even less popular with Hispanics."

I certainly hope your analysis is right----but I don't think so. "Comprehensive immigration reform" will be at the top of the Democrats priority scheme (and why wouldn't it be, as it will generate 12-20 million new Democrat voters--the economy will take second place to politics). And McCain and the RINOS will be right there to back them up.

42 posted on 12/08/2008 3:10:04 AM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: webstersII

>>Go for it, BHO, propose to import another 10 million or so. That is bound to be a really popular position with the electorate — especially with lower income types who came out in droves to vote for you.<<

Unfortunately, those who came out in droves to vote for BO are too dumb to realize what amnesty and open borders will do to them.


43 posted on 12/08/2008 5:42:24 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: rabscuttle385

The number of “Republicans-didn’t-pander-to-illegals-enough” articles coming out is barf-worthy.


44 posted on 12/08/2008 8:25:30 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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