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Report: Dion Likely Gone by Christmas
The Chronicle Herald (Canada) ^ | 7 December 2008 | Canadian Press

Posted on 12/07/2008 6:32:08 AM PST by mkjessup

TORONTO — The Toronto Star is quoting senior Liberal Party sources as saying it is now a forgone conclusion that Stephane Dion will resign as Liberal leader before Christmas. In a report Sunday, the newspaper says it is likely Dion will come under irresistible pressure to step down at the Liberal caucus meeting in Ottawa on Wednesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at thechronicleherald.ca ...


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canada; coup; dion; harper; liberalsbiteit; longliveharper


1 posted on 12/07/2008 6:32:09 AM PST by mkjessup
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To: fanfan; Clive

For your morning amusement...LOL


2 posted on 12/07/2008 6:32:55 AM PST by mkjessup (In January 1942, President 0bama would have met Premier Tojo without any preconditions.)
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To: mkjessup

What in the hell is going on in Canada? I’m glad we don’t have a parlimentary system where a coalition of groups can join together and effectively overturn the will of the people following a recent election like in Canada. You talk about chaos! It’s like a bloodless coup.


3 posted on 12/07/2008 6:40:17 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: Comparative Advantage
I’m glad we don’t have a parlimentary system where a coalition of groups can join together and effectively overturn the will of the people following a recent election like in Canada.

Or you could live in CA like me where we passed Prop 8 [twice] ... and the state is still going to overturn it.

BTW, why did Canada never rebel and leave Britain?

4 posted on 12/07/2008 6:43:07 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

Canada was the ‘good son’ who honored it’s father’s wishes and stayed loyal to King George, as opposed to those ungrateful scalawags and rebels in the American colonies, lol


5 posted on 12/07/2008 6:44:07 AM PST by mkjessup (In January 1942, President 0bama would have met Premier Tojo without any preconditions.)
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To: Comparative Advantage

It’s like a bloodless coup.
And what the hell do you think we just witnessed here in the US?


6 posted on 12/07/2008 6:45:52 AM PST by ronnie raygun ( When CHANGE comes let me know, I'll put my tin foil hat on and sit in front of myTV)
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To: ronnie raygun

It’s the same thing??


7 posted on 12/07/2008 6:46:41 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: Comparative Advantage

The opposition parties (LIEberals, Communist (NDP) and the Bloc-head secessionists in Quebec) overreached it appears, as the latest polls show that if an election were held today in Canada, that Harper and his conservatives would win with approximately 45+ percent of the vote which would give them a solid majority.

If the coup plotters try to topple the government again next month, I believe Harper will end up being PM for a very long time after the electorate speaks.

Canadians may tilt liberal, but they believe in fair play and they didn’t appreciate the attempted coup d’etat of this past week.


8 posted on 12/07/2008 6:46:44 AM PST by mkjessup (In January 1942, President 0bama would have met Premier Tojo without any preconditions.)
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To: Comparative Advantage

“What in the hell is going on in Canada? I’m glad we don’t have a parlimentary system where a coalition of groups can join together and effectively overturn the will of the people following a recent election like in Canada”

“Overturning the will of the people” is exactly the rationale the Senate democrats will use in 2009 when they employ “the nuclear option” to change the 60-vote filibuster rule, so that a “minority” of 42 Republicans won’t be able to thwart “the will of the people”....

- John


9 posted on 12/07/2008 6:48:25 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: mkjessup

So the opposition can call for elections at any time?


10 posted on 12/07/2008 6:48:37 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: Comparative Advantage

No, they can’t call for elections on a whim, but if they were able to topple the government (for example, on a budget motion, or a no-confidence vote), it would result in the current minority government (Harper’s gov’t) being thrown out of power, and the Governor-General (the Queen’s ‘representative’ in Canada) would call for an election.

What the opposition coalition plotters were trying to do was to get the Governor-General to just sign off on their plan to jettison Harper and his party from power, and they were going to just waltz right in with Dion as the PM, and literally take over the reins of government without a vote.

Fortunately, reason prevailed.


11 posted on 12/07/2008 6:51:48 AM PST by mkjessup (In January 1942, President 0bama would have met Premier Tojo without any preconditions.)
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To: mkjessup

I as thinking about that yesterday. It has to have an effect on how you think of your country and its place in the world. No wonder they are such wusses!!!


12 posted on 12/07/2008 6:52:34 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Fishrrman

“Overturning the will of the people” is exactly the rationale the Senate democrats will use in 2009 when they employ “the nuclear option” to change the 60-vote filibuster rule, so that a “minority” of 42 Republicans won’t be able to thwart “the will of the people”....

The spineless GOP could have used an existing rule (nuclear option) to get a floor vote on judicial appointments a few years back but chose to capitulate to the left. The majority makes the rules. When the GOP starts acting like conservatives again then they will regain control of Congress and make the rules. Copying the left’s agenda obviously doesn’t appeal to voters. They opted for the real thing instead.


13 posted on 12/07/2008 6:54:34 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: mkjessup

“What the opposition coalition plotters were trying to do was to get the Governor-General to just sign off on their plan to jettison Harper and his party from power, and they were going to just waltz right in with Dion as the PM, and literally take over the reins of government without a vote.”

Absolutely frightening!


14 posted on 12/07/2008 6:55:55 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: Comparative Advantage
“where a coalition of groups can join together and effectively overturn the will of the people”

Er . . . I think we are at this place as well. Bailouts, earmarks, Immigration, two-Party duopoly, etc. all are examples of interests overriding the clear will of the majority of the people. Really no difference IMO.

15 posted on 12/07/2008 7:05:21 AM PST by TCats
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To: TCats

Sadly, very true.


16 posted on 12/07/2008 7:07:28 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: BunnySlippers
BTW, why did Canada never rebel and leave Britain?

Because the British weren't stupid a second time. When Canada was ready for independence they got it.

17 posted on 12/07/2008 7:07:53 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: mkjessup; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; Squawk 8888; ...
LOL! Thanks for the ping, mkjessup.


18 posted on 12/07/2008 7:20:08 AM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: mkjessup

Does Dion actually understand spoken English?


19 posted on 12/07/2008 7:20:36 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: mkjessup

That's not soon enough.

20 posted on 12/07/2008 7:48:01 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

With Dion gone who is going to lead the Belmonts?


21 posted on 12/07/2008 7:50:27 AM PST by csmusaret (I'd rather have a sister in a whorehouse than have a brother in the US Congress.)
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To: mkjessup
Report: Dion Likely Gone by Christmas,

...can YOU tell me where he's gaw..uh...aw...uh..awn?

22 posted on 12/07/2008 9:37:44 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (Dennis Miller level obscure pop cultural reference.)
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To: Paladin2
Does Dion actually understand spoken English?

There is some question about that, in the week (?) leading up to the past election on October 14th, Dion was in a one-on-one interview with a Halifax-based news anchor and during the taping of the segment, the anchor (Steve Murphy) asked Dion 'what would you do differently if you were Prime Minister?' and Dion screwed up on his response not once, not twice, but three times. Originally, the broadcaster (CTV News) agreed not to broadcast the screw ups, but in an amazing demonstration of the media actually doing it's job, Murphy and CTV made the decision to broadcast EVERYTHING, and this YouTube clip not only is worth viewing for what is a refreshing display of responsible media behavior (as I see it), but it reveals Dion in all of his bumbling, fumbling, majesty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5hoSfvIFFE

Enjoy!
23 posted on 12/07/2008 9:45:56 AM PST by mkjessup (In January 1942, President 0bama would have met Premier Tojo without any preconditions.)
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To: mkjessup

I’d seen that performance and wondered if that was the norm for this guy.


24 posted on 12/07/2008 10:01:32 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: mkjessup; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...

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25 posted on 12/07/2008 10:04:12 AM PST by Clive
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To: Clive

We should instigate a write in campaign to keep him exactly where he his...


26 posted on 12/07/2008 10:20:57 AM PST by JNL
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To: Comparative Advantage

I’m confused by your statement! No one voted in the conservatives. The conservatives won enough seats to govern with a minority. They were deemed to be in the best position to run the government because they won more seats than Lib NDP Bloc. The system chose them, 64% of canadians didn’t.

In Canada we vote for our representative. We don’t elect parties or party leaders, we elect our representatives.

The fact that our representative belongs to a party is how governments are formed. We don’t choose the leader of that party in the electoral process, the party does.

It’s not at all frightening, it’s the process. It’s how it’s supposed to work.


27 posted on 12/07/2008 10:32:45 AM PST by JNL
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To: mkjessup

Why do they want this guy out so badly?


28 posted on 12/07/2008 10:46:06 AM PST by Islaminaction
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To: Islaminaction

Because the liberals have realised that the guy is a epic failure. The best thing in the world conservatives could do is assure the liberals that he’s their greatest asset.

If Dion stays on, a majority is almost in the bag.


29 posted on 12/07/2008 10:48:45 AM PST by JNL
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To: Comparative Advantage

It’s not that simple. The way a parliamentary system works is that you only require a plurality of seats in the House to govern, not an outright majority. However, because the government proposes legislation (because our Prime Minister sits in the House of Commons) certain matters are put to the House as matters of confidence in the government. For example, budgets and “mini-budgets”. As well as anything the government deems a confidence motion.

In our current situation, 155 seats would constitute a majority in parliament. It is very difficult for a majority government to lose the confidence of the House because they control the majority of seats. The reason the opposition in the House is called “Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition” is that it is their job to ensure the government is acting in the people’s best interest.

In a minority government situation, when the House loses confidence in the government the Prime Minister must meet with the Governor General. The Prime Minister advises the GG that he has lost the confidence of the House and he suggests one of two options to her. She can either call an election, or propose that a coalition of the opposition parties (constituting a plurality of the House) be given the chance to form a government. It is her perogative which option she chooses.

It is important to note that in the current situation, the only way for the opposition to form a plurality (and in this case a slim majority) is for all 3 opposition parties to be present in the coalition, any 2 of them together could not form a government, as they would not be able to pass any confidence motions and the new PM would be required to go to the GG and ask for an election.

In this case, because of the public posturing by the opposition, the PM met with the Governor General and asked her to “porogue” parliament. Which basically means all legislation currently in process is null and void, and we get to start with a Speech from the Throne. It’s like hitting hte reset button on the legislature.

The Throne Speech sets the priorities of the government for that session of parliament and must also be voted on by the House. It is a confidence motion and failure of the government to pass the motion will result in the government losing the confidence of the House. Note this is the 2nd time that Harper has asked the GG to porogue parliament.

In the end it’s not as frightening as it seems. It’s life in a parliamentary system.

Also note that the government does not need a majority of parliament to pass any legislation (nor does the opposition) they only need a majority of the members present and voting on that day.

Hope this helps.


30 posted on 12/07/2008 10:50:37 AM PST by AntiKev ("The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena." - Carl Sagan)
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To: AntiKev

Or lose a confidence vote ala Joe Clarke.

Nice explanation BTW...much better than mine.


31 posted on 12/07/2008 10:54:15 AM PST by JNL
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To: JNL

Thanks for the info.


32 posted on 12/07/2008 11:34:14 AM PST by Islaminaction
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To: Paladin2
I’d seen that performance and wondered if that was the norm for this guy.

Pretty much, Dion makes Harper's predecessor (Paul Martin, nicknamed "Mr Dithers" for his own Kerryesque flip-flops) look like the epitome of decisive action, lol
33 posted on 12/07/2008 1:23:11 PM PST by mkjessup (In January 1942, President 0bama would have met Premier Tojo without any preconditions.)
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To: Islaminaction
Why do they want this guy out so badly?

Because even Canadians realize that they don't need a North of 45 version of Jimmah Carter holding any position of leadership.
34 posted on 12/07/2008 1:24:23 PM PST by mkjessup (In January 1942, President 0bama would have met Premier Tojo without any preconditions.)
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To: Comparative Advantage

That is what it’s like. It’s an awful system. We should have dumped it long long ago. I guess, however, that is easier said than done. I don’t like it at all. You have a much better system with lot of built in protections against this type of government. I figure it’s the most unstable form of Government there is.

I am so angry over this. I’d like to start shooting. Anyways, as usual, the Liberals are shooting themselves at the moment. Lots of infighting. The NDP are a little more cohesive but not palatible to the public and the Bloc are irrelevant imo. CO


35 posted on 12/07/2008 2:45:14 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what an antibiotic is to an infection - Healing!!!!)
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To: Comparative Advantage

I know, I literally tear my hair watching the GOP keep trying to “play nice” with these ravenous wolves called the Democratic Party. The Dems are a party of corrupt thieves and they have absolutely no scruples whatsoever. You have to fight fire with fire. I just cannot believe, however, that the USA would vote in such an extreme SOCIALIST!!!!! I know there was a ton of voter fraud but that too, is just astounding. I can’t get over how our countries are heading south (to hell) in such a hurry. There NEEDS to be a very swift turn around and waking up. Canadians need to get off their A$$es and fight for a change. Americans, need to wake up to what is coming to their neighbourhood - SOON. CO


36 posted on 12/07/2008 2:51:52 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what an antibiotic is to an infection - Healing!!!!)
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To: mkjessup

He hasn't aged well.

37 posted on 12/07/2008 2:55:05 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Ron Jeremy

oh my GAWD, that is HILARIOUS!


38 posted on 12/07/2008 2:57:54 PM PST by mkjessup (In January 1942, President 0bama would have met Premier Tojo without any preconditions.)
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To: BunnySlippers

“BTW, why did Canada never rebel and leave Britain?”

Because after losing the Revolutionary war, Britain became afraid of the same thing happening in Canada so they gave us just enough freedom to keep us from rising up against them, but not the full measure you Americans have (no gun rights or property rights in our constitutions)

Plus, all the Americans who wanted to stay British moved up here to get away from becoming a citizen in a free republic.


39 posted on 12/07/2008 9:13:00 PM PST by Grig
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