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Abortion Politics Didnít Doom the G.O.P.
NY Times ^ | December 7, 2008 | ROSS DOUTHAT

Posted on 12/07/2008 3:37:53 PM PST by neverdem

AN iron law of recent American politics dictates that any Republican setback at the polls will be quickly pinned on the pro-life movement. You might think that the Republican Party’s 2008 debacle would be an exception to this rule. John McCain probably mentioned earmarks about a thousand times more often than he let the word “abortion” slip his lips. The Republican ticket’s weak attempts to play the culture-war card — a Bill Ayers here, a Joe the Plumber there — had nothing whatsoever to do with Roe v. Wade. And why should abortion opponents, of all conservative factions, take the blame for the financial meltdown, or the bungled occupation of Iraq, or the handling of Hurricane Katrina?

But never mind. Pro-choice Republicans, in particular, know exactly whom to blame for their party’s showing. As Christie Whitman, the former New Jersey governor and Bush administration E.P.A. chief, explained after the election, it lost because “the party was taken hostage by ‘social fundamentalists,’ the people who base their votes on such social issues as abortion.”

The conservative columnist Kathleen Parker made the same point more vividly: “The evangelical, right-wing, oogedy-boogedy branch of the G.O.P. is what ails the erstwhile conservative party.” The neoconservative writer Max Boot was diffident about the matter (“I don’t think Republicans need to panic,” he wrote, but “one area where I do see some room for adjustment is on the issue of abortion”) and the right-wing humorist P. J. O’Rourke was blunt (pro-lifers should “give the issue a rest”). The message is clear: If the Republican Party would only jettison its position on abortion, it would be back on its feet in no time.

For pro-lifers, these refrains are as frustrating as they are familiar. But more frustrating than the blame game is the equally familiar advice that...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; gop; issues; prolife; prolifevote; rebuilding
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/opinion/07douthat.html?pagewanted=print

That's the URL I used for the printer friendly version. Are you getting the printer friendly version or the regular webpage?

1 posted on 12/07/2008 3:37:53 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

what doomed the GOP was the Lehman’s initiated crash followed by the bailout.


2 posted on 12/07/2008 3:39:34 PM PST by Perdogg (01-20-2013 Obama's last day - If we survive)
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To: neverdem

John McCain ran away from the Abortion Question and hardly ever mentioned that he was Pro Life while Obama was Pro Abortion.

MCain should have ran commercials specifying that he was Pro Life and outlining what steps he would take to overturn Roe.


3 posted on 12/07/2008 3:43:08 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Perdogg

yup that’s the bottom line. We need social conservatives who understand the economy.


4 posted on 12/07/2008 3:46:54 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: trumandogz; Perdogg

Are you getting the printer friendly page or not? That’s my question.

The arguments in the OpEd will be made until the cows come home. With the media so in the tank for the rats, I don’t see how Ronald Reagan, Teddy Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln could have won.


5 posted on 12/07/2008 3:54:19 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

6 posted on 12/07/2008 3:54:58 PM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: neverdem
Reagan won two landslides by being Reagan, in spite of the press hating him. Lincoln was actually abandoned by the Republican party in 1864, and I'd say the press was pretty rough on him, too.

The GOP is losing today because it's the stupid party. The press has little to do with it.

7 posted on 12/07/2008 3:59:21 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: neverdem

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/opinion/07douthat.html?pagewanted=print


8 posted on 12/07/2008 4:16:30 PM PST by Perdogg (01-20-2013 Obama's last day - If we survive)
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To: Moonman62; narses

I guess no one will answer my question.


9 posted on 12/07/2008 4:18:20 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Perdogg; bert

It defaulted to http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/opinion/07douthat.html

That’s what I was afraid of. Thank you.


10 posted on 12/07/2008 4:22:54 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Say, is this from the NY Times, America’s paper of irrelevance!!???


11 posted on 12/07/2008 4:36:23 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: neverdem
it lost because “the party was taken hostage by ‘social fundamentalists,’ the people who base their votes on such social issues as abortion.”

????

12 posted on 12/07/2008 4:39:49 PM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: neverdem

Pro-life is the BIGGEST net gain issue for the GOP. The GOP would commit suicide if it went pro-baby killer.


13 posted on 12/07/2008 4:39:51 PM PST by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: neverdem

Ross Douthat seems to be head-and-shoulders above every other conservative pundit out there now. Maybe he would like to head up the revitalized conservative movement he proposes.


14 posted on 12/07/2008 4:56:39 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: neverdem

“Abortion Politics Didn’t Doom the G.O.P.”

Weak-assed RINO politics did.


15 posted on 12/07/2008 5:04:11 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: ari-freedom

“We need social conservatives who understand the economy.”

And fiscal conservatives that understand that socons WILL NOT compromise their beliefs for any political party to gain power.


16 posted on 12/07/2008 5:06:07 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: trumandogz

Nonsense . Saddleback made it quite apparent as well as Dobson and other prominent evangelicals endorsing McCain .

Everyone knew McCain was pro-life , but there was no need for him to incessantly proclaim it .


17 posted on 12/07/2008 5:23:33 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist (Focus 2010 - Register likeminded voters and donate money to Rightwing groups- Starting now .)
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To: Moonman62

You are wrong on this one!


18 posted on 12/07/2008 5:53:41 PM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: neverdem

The NYT would love nothing more than for GOP faithful to commit suicide by casting adrift the social conservatives in the party and go back to being a non-national party like we were in the first half of the century when we never challenged for control of either House of Congress.

The NYT liked it alot better when they never had to listen to our opinions and only had to put up with the occasional renegade President like Reagan in between dupes like Nixon and Ford.


19 posted on 12/07/2008 6:23:14 PM PST by bpjam (GOP is 3 - 0 in elections after Nov 4th. You Can Smell the Rally !!!)
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To: neverdem

It redirects to the regular page. The NYTimes is on to our tricks.


20 posted on 12/07/2008 6:38:46 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
Everyone knew McCain was pro-life , but there was no need for him to incessantly proclaim it .

Apparently not. McCain did not run commercials stating that he was Pro-Life and pointing out that Obama is Pro-Death.

21 posted on 12/07/2008 7:49:49 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: neverdem

I thought that the Evangelicals were the current favorite for who was at fault. Now it’s the pro-life movement?!?

Next, we’ll find that gore-bull warming is to blame!


22 posted on 12/07/2008 8:00:15 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: neverdem
Tim Tebow, almost aborted?

Not to mix football with the subject of abortion....

....but I was so impressed with Tim Tibow's takedown of #1 Alabama, carrying his own team on his back, that I looked up his bio in wikipedia. It says his mother was advised to get an abortion when she was pregnant with him. Amazing.

23 posted on 12/07/2008 8:33:35 PM PST by cookcounty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why the ship is built." ---Governor Sarah Palin)
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To: madprof98

Ross Douthat wrote a book called “Grand New Party” this summer. It talks about how Republicans need to prove to the world that they must be pro-problem solvers and pro-competent. Douthat seems to be quite moderate in his views, but is for building consensus with Socons.


24 posted on 12/07/2008 9:59:52 PM PST by yongin (Converting people to Mormonism makes the world more conservative)
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To: neverdem
Execllent article! Thank you for posting! This guy is right on!
25 posted on 12/07/2008 11:05:19 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Perdogg

>> what doomed the GOP was the Lehman’s initiated crash followed by the bailout

We were doomed at the point the primaries began. Too bad Sarah was part of that process.

If the 21st Century Republican Congress is a measure of the GOP field, the problem continues. I think it’s going to take more than donations to fix the GOP — grassroots activism may be the only option — and the door-to-door activism needs to begin right away.


26 posted on 12/07/2008 11:26:23 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Gene Eric

The Fundamentalists are the ones who got Bush elected. I guess they still have he liberals nervous because they realize they didn’t support McCain and that is why he lost.

I would like to see Catholics fired up like the Evangelists and then we would defeinitly take this country back. We need a real person like Palin or Jindall to motivate people.

God Bless President Bush. He is certainly a martyr.I regret not being more vocally supportive of him.


27 posted on 12/08/2008 3:32:06 AM PST by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: Grunthor

Exactly. McCain ran the most anemic campaign I have ever seen. Perhaps he did not want to be leader of a country on the verge of economic collapse. Non-campaign.


28 posted on 12/08/2008 3:55:42 AM PST by momincombatboots (Not a journey for the feeble.)
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To: bpjam
The NYT would love nothing more than for GOP faithful to commit suicide by casting adrift the social conservatives in the party

You're right. The NYT has made it crystal clear that they are no friend of conservatives. I have trouble believing all of the people on FR who pay attention to their drivel. You can bet that they're not going to make any recommendations to us which would improve our lot.....if anything; we should consider what they say and do the opposite.

29 posted on 12/08/2008 6:17:58 AM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: cookcounty

they told this story last year when he won the Heisman. His mother was sick, they recommended abortion, she refuse, and we got a wonderful, caring young man named Tim. Pro=aborts hate this story.


30 posted on 12/08/2008 7:36:20 AM PST by Jvette
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To: neverdem

It seems there is no place for us in either party.


31 posted on 12/08/2008 7:47:44 AM PST by Jvette
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To: neverdem
A TRUE fiscal conservative who is also an outspoken proponent of Culture of Life issues is a winner in a general election. They are both wonderfully positive messages in the mouth of a competent orator.

McCain was half-hearted on both, unfortunately, and a mumbling, meandering orator.
32 posted on 12/09/2008 9:02:19 AM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
Everyone knew McCain was pro-life , but there was no need for him to incessantly proclaim it.

I can't tell you how many people told me that Obama was "pro-life". McCain did need to proclaim it and challenge his opponent's record on the issue. He did so once in the three debates and let Obama get away with saying that McCain's claim wasn't true.
33 posted on 12/09/2008 9:05:11 AM PST by Antoninus (America didn't turn away from conservatism, they turned away from many who faked it. - Mark Sanford)
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To: neverdem
Pinged from Terri Dailies


34 posted on 12/09/2008 4:03:51 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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