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Obama birth battle goes to Supreme Court
Chicago Times ^ | December 7, 2008 | Tim Jones

Posted on 12/07/2008 6:36:30 PM PST by Red Steel

Five weeks after the state of Hawaii vouched for the authenticity of President-elect Barack Obama's birth certificate, the controversy over allegations that Obama is not eligible to take office next month has reached the Supreme Court, which is expected to announce Monday whether it will consider the matter.

The fight is unusual because it thrives outside the so-called mainstream media, far beyond the oak-paneled offices of $700-an-hour lawyers and a world away from the 535 individuals whose surnames are preceded by Representative or Senator.

This is a different army at work, in an environment increasingly influenced by the Internet.

"It's only being mentioned by a relative few, by the real die-hard, anti-Obama crowd," said Michael Harrison, editor and publisher of Talkers magazine, the trade bible of the talk radio industry. "On mainstream talk radio, it's not a big deal right now. I think it's run its course."

"But," Harrison added, "we live in a time that, because of the Internet, all points of view can live forever."

Just as there is a split on the legitimacy of the legal claims, there is also a split within the media on the merits of the story. Is it the last gasp of opposition from fervent opponents of Obama who have a found community of like-minded believers on the Internet, or is there a legal question to be resolved? The court will answer the latter question thisweek.

The campaign challenging the legitimacy of Obama's 1961 birth certificate or the legality of his taking office is chronicled by WorldNetDaily, a popular, politically right-leaning site that was the 26th most-visited news and media Web site during November, according to Hitwise, which monitors Net traffic.

"If this [Obama taking office] happens, the question of eligibility for the highest office in the land will no longer even be a matter for concern," wrote Joseph Farah, founder and editor of WorldNetDaily.

"Precedent will have been established. Arnold Schwarzenegger will suddenly be eligible to run for the office in 2012," Farah wrote, referring to the Austrian-born California governor and film star.

An Obama spokesman declined to comment for this story.

The lawyers who, in at least six states, have argued Obama is not a natural-born citizen and cannot be president include one who supported Hillary Clinton's presidential bid, one who has thundered for decades against the legality of the federal government collecting income tax, and one who argues that Sen. John McCain, by virtue of his birth 72 years ago in the Panama Canal Zone, would be banned from moving into the Oval Office, had he won last month's election.

Leo Donofrio is a New Jersey lawyer who tried to get Obama and McCain stricken from the New Jersey ballot in November. Donofrio's case was presented Friday to justices of the Supreme Court. Another case challenging Obama's eligibility, this one from Pennsylvania, has not yet been presented to the full court for its consideration.

"My question is on a pure constitutional ground," said Donofrio. "He [Obama] is a citizen of the United States. I just don't believe he's a natural born citizen."

This is the thrust of the attack, picked up by people like Bob Schulz, an upstate New York lawyer who purchased two full-page ads in the Tribune this month that called Obama "a usurper" who "would be entitled to no allegiance, obedience or support from the People."

Schulz has challenged the federal government on issues including the Iraq War, the Patriot Act and the income tax. "I have a long history of petitioning the government for redress of grievances for violations of the constitution and the law," said Schulz, who said he and his wife live on Social Security checks. Schulz said the ads cost "tens of thousands of dollars" and were paid for with more than 500 private donations from individuals who support the effort. He said there were "no financial angels" behind it.

If the Supreme Court decides not to consider the case, Donofrio said there "won't be any beating on the drums saying there wasn't any justice."

But that will not be the end of the matter, Farah vowed.

"It'll plague Obama throughout his presidency. It'll be a nagging issue and a sore on his administration, much like Monica Lewinsky was on [President Bill] Clinton," Farah said. "It's not going to go away and it will drive a wedge in an already divided public."

That may underscore a landscape change in the media, where the Internet is playing a bigger role in setting the agenda. In 2004, the so-called swift boat campaign against John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee, began on the Internet. In fact, the co-author of "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," Jerome Corsi, also wrote "Obama Nation," a book critical of Obama, published earlier this year.

Brendan Nyhan, a political scientist at Duke University, said the Internet's role in forming public opinion is gaining strength. WorldNetDaily, for instance, has one of the faster-growing audiences on the Internet, up 62 percent in the past year, according to Hitwise.

Nyhan co-authored a study this year that said journalists' attempts to correct misinformation is unlikely to sway public perceptions because many people want to believe the misperception.

"People often have a strong bias for believing the evidence they want to believe and disbelieving what they don't believe," Nyhan said. "There is less of a sense that we all have a common set of facts we can agree on. There's a polarization and we can't even agree on the basic factual assumptions to have a debate."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; blackhelicopters; blackmail; certifigate; colb; conspiracy; donofrio; enoughalready; getalife; notthisshiitagain; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; tinfoil; tinfoilhats
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1 posted on 12/07/2008 6:36:30 PM PST by Red Steel
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2 posted on 12/07/2008 6:37:45 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: Red Steel
Oh, God...

Here we go again.

3 posted on 12/07/2008 6:38:07 PM PST by billorites
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To: Red Steel
Five weeks after the state of Hawaii vouched for the authenticity of President-elect Barack Obama's birth certificate

The media keeps on misreporting to distort public perception.

4 posted on 12/07/2008 6:38:15 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: sionnsar

BTTT


5 posted on 12/07/2008 6:38:16 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: billorites

Up up and away....


6 posted on 12/07/2008 6:38:39 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Either they are liars or they don’t know what they are talking about. Hawaii didn’t verify the birth certificate.


7 posted on 12/07/2008 6:38:55 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: Red Steel

It’s not a good sign that the MSM is finally covering this story. I suspect they expect the SCOTUS to announce tomorrow that they’re not taking the case.


8 posted on 12/07/2008 6:39:29 PM PST by utahagen
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To: Red Steel
The media keeps on misreporting to distort public perception.

There is a shock.

9 posted on 12/07/2008 6:40:20 PM PST by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Red Steel; Arrowhead1952; ZULU

The Muslim Messiah’s Gestapo will attempt to stop any exposure via blogs on the Internet. Freedom of Speech will be their first target, IMO. Freepers will be high on their list.


10 posted on 12/07/2008 6:41:25 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Red Steel
Nyhan co-authored a study this year that said journalists' attempts to correct misinformation is unlikely to sway public perceptions because many people want to believe the misperception.

Journalists attempt to correct misinformation???? LOL, that is a good one! I needed a good laugh.

11 posted on 12/07/2008 6:42:05 PM PST by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Red Steel
The media keeps on misreporting to distort public perception.

BINGO - the thing that separates CONSERVATIVES from the moronic lefties who can only think with the hearts. Brains are disconnected totally in the left side.
12 posted on 12/07/2008 6:42:14 PM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Red Steel

Then just show us the original birth certificate!
It's not too much to ask from the state of Hawaii, is it?.
Where's my applesauce...


13 posted on 12/07/2008 6:42:23 PM PST by billorites
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To: Red Steel

If the media wants an interesting story they should ask Zero if his pride is more important than global stability.


14 posted on 12/07/2008 6:44:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Freepers will be high on their list.

Yup. FR will probably suffer cyber attacks of an 'unknown origin', press will say from China or Russia. It will be from Obammy's secret works in the sub basements outside Baltimore.
15 posted on 12/07/2008 6:44:44 PM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Red Steel

I am beginning to suspect Obama is a natural-born citizen, and that his birth certificate will confirm this....but it will reveal something else Obama doesn’t want known.

That is the only possible explanation.


16 posted on 12/07/2008 6:45:26 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Red Steel
"...that said journalists' attempts to correct misinformation is unlikely to sway public perceptions because many people want to believe the misperception..."

Journalist's attempts to correct misinformation?????

Never mind the idiot who wrote this cannot even form grammatically correct sentences (...attempts to correct misinformation is ARE unlikely...)

These are the morons who think they deliver accurate and unbiased "news" to the proles.

17 posted on 12/07/2008 6:46:28 PM PST by rlmorel ("A barrel of monkeys is not fun. In fact, a barrel of monkeys can be quite terrifying!")
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To: FreeAtlanta

> Either they are liars or they don’t know what they are talking about. Hawaii didn’t verify the birth certificate.

I think the article was factually accurate. Hawaii did verify that a birth certificate exists. They did not say anything about the contents of that birth certificate.


18 posted on 12/07/2008 6:46:40 PM PST by bluejay
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To: utahagen
It’s not a good sign that the MSM is finally covering this story. I suspect they expect the SCOTUS to announce tomorrow that they’re not taking the case.

I believe you're right. If this was going to go anywhere, the loons over at Kos and DU would be trashing Trig and Bristol Palin right now in order to draw people's attention away from their "messiah."

19 posted on 12/07/2008 6:48:18 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (For more information on America's "new direction" read The Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.)
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To: bluejay

here is authors email addy lets all educate him. let do it respectfully but lets educate him.


20 posted on 12/07/2008 6:48:46 PM PST by remaxagnt
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To: remaxagnt

tmjones@tribune.com


21 posted on 12/07/2008 6:49:16 PM PST by remaxagnt
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To: Red Steel
Five weeks after the state of Hawaii vouched for the authenticity of President-elect Barack Obama's birth certificate, the controversy over allegations that Obama is not eligible to take office next month has reached the Supreme Court,

An honest, but MEANINGLESS statement since you can have an "authentic" Hawaiian birth certificate that states that you are absolutely NOT a "natural born citizen"

22 posted on 12/07/2008 6:49:27 PM PST by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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To: FreeAtlanta
HI verified that they had a long form in their vault but did not say if it shows birth in HI or other nation.

Barack Obama admits he was born with dual citizenship since his claimed father was a British subject who registered him in Kenay on the same issue. Dual citizenship at birth because of his father means Obama was not a natural born citizen, though he is a citizen. His naturalization is by default when his British citizenry expired. BUT his adopting father made him an Indoensian citizen. AND we need to see his entry documents and funding request documents from colleges along with his passport registration used in 1981, to determine if he gamed his dual citizenship presenting himself as other than a strictly natural born citizen. His Kenayn father did so when was born, wherever he was born, but did Barack use that ambiquity and thus disqualify himself by Constitutional stipulation for eligibility?

23 posted on 12/07/2008 6:49:50 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: sionnsar

Did anyone see the program on FOX this morning with Liz Trotta and Eric Shawn? They were talking about the appointments of 0bama and that the conservatives are all getting on board with 0bama so they could stay in the game or keep jobs or whatever..this was more or less Liz Trotta’s view...to which Eric Shawn replied that if you read some of the blogs like Freerepublic ( and one other I didnt catch) these folks are still furious over the birth certificate issue and other matters so they are not all on board...


24 posted on 12/07/2008 6:49:58 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: billorites

And Obama trolls.
25 posted on 12/07/2008 6:50:15 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Cheerio

And don’t for get the attacks that can come from his base in Chicago.


26 posted on 12/07/2008 6:51:20 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: bluejay

In any case, “President-Alleged” has a nice ring to it and people need to start using it.


27 posted on 12/07/2008 6:51:50 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: bluejay
I think the article was factually accurate. Hawaii did verify that a birth certificate exists. They did not say anything about the contents of that birth certificate.

Yes, but it's misleading.

28 posted on 12/07/2008 6:52:40 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: FreeAtlanta

Either they are liars or they don’t know what they are talking about. Hawaii didn’t verify the birth certificate.
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They are liars. And there is no Birth Certificate, per se. There would have been ONLY a COLB (Certificate of Live Birth). The one(s) presented so far have been proven to be frauds by experts.

Follow at: http://www.obamacrimes.com


29 posted on 12/07/2008 6:53:45 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Red Steel
The fight is unusual because it thrives outside the so-called mainstream media, far beyond the oak-paneled offices of $700-an-hour lawyers and a world away from the 535 individuals whose surnames are preceded by Representative or Senator.

This time, America wants to see it.

30 posted on 12/07/2008 6:54:02 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Red Steel

” On mainstream talk radio, it’s not a big deal right now. I think it’s run its course.”

Limbaugh , Hannity, Ingraham and Levin et al have refused to touch this ,
so apparently “ it’s not a big deal now.”
Even to neutrally state x,y and z lawsuits have been filed alleging thus and so.
The crowd that looooves to talk about the Constitution could have interesting
and enlightening discussions on the Constitution-
without actually taking a stand
and offending Barry.
Instead they prefer to focus on global warming ,Ruth Chris steaks and pajamagrams.


31 posted on 12/07/2008 6:55:33 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: proxy_user
"I am beginning to suspect Obama is a natural-born citizen, and that his birth certificate will confirm this....but it will reveal something else Obama doesn’t want known."

Yeah, like his belly button ain't normal at all.

What's going on there? The man's a freak...

32 posted on 12/07/2008 6:56:04 PM PST by billorites
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33 posted on 12/07/2008 6:56:28 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: utahagen
It’s not a good sign that the MSM is finally covering this story. I suspect they expect the SCOTUS to announce tomorrow that they’re not taking the case.

If only the natural citizen clause was barely illuminated in a distant penumbra of the Constitution, then the Supremes would obviously hold forth on the issue. Unfortunately, the clause is directly in the Consitution. /s


34 posted on 12/07/2008 6:56:46 PM PST by magooey (Obama/Soetoro - the demagogue the Founding Fathers were waiting for)
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To: proxy_user
I am beginning to suspect Obama is a natural-born citizen, and that his birth certificate will confirm this....but it will reveal something else Obama doesn’t want known.

If it's that serious it will likely be used against him by foreign governments. Pravda has already raised questions about the validity of treaties and agreements he might sign.
35 posted on 12/07/2008 6:57:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: EagleUSA

To clear this up a little...the Tribune claims that they have received information via telephone conversations and emails from someone at that Dept who states that the Director meant that Obama was born in Hawaii. I have posted the link once...it came from that Obamatron “curiousity”


36 posted on 12/07/2008 6:58:12 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: cripplecreek

It will be used by his cousin Odinga who is calling for a coup in Africa.


37 posted on 12/07/2008 6:59:32 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: Always Right
Journalists compare unfavorably to freshly-minted junior college associate degree awardees hired for $7.50/hour teller positions at banks.

At least the tellers have demonstrated they have a grasp on reality and accountability.

HF

38 posted on 12/07/2008 6:59:43 PM PST by holden
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To: RummyChick
To clear this up a little.

Hearsay! Are we to assume this Director is incapable of making his point in clear English?


39 posted on 12/07/2008 7:01:05 PM PST by magooey (Obama/Soetoro - the demagogue the Founding Fathers were waiting for)
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To: RummyChick

Then the Tribune should write an article quoting the Hawaiian official who said it. It looks more like they are just trying to cover their Messiah with bunk story.


40 posted on 12/07/2008 7:02:32 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: cripplecreek
Pravda has already raised questions about the validity of treaties and agreements he might sign.

They might even try to use it to back out of existing agreements 

41 posted on 12/07/2008 7:03:21 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: Red Steel

Well at least some are covering it!

http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/12/07/pleading-the-fifth-reader-post/#more-13422


42 posted on 12/07/2008 7:04:20 PM PST by Sharrukin
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To: Red Steel

It’s telling that Obama’s peeps have ‘no comment.’
Why?


43 posted on 12/07/2008 7:05:09 PM PST by jackofhearts (Unko bachana kaun chahega (Who will want to save them)?”)
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To: magooey

All inquiries are suppose to go to this person..don’t remember her name..and she is the one that claims the Director was indicating that Obama was born in Hawaii. You will have to read the article. I don’t have the link handy. But it is based on emails and telephone conversations with this person according to the Tribune.

Which begs the question...was that revelation against the law or did Obama put something in writing that told them they could say that to the tribune.

If he is opening the door to a discussion of his birth certificate...does that mean the door is wide open? I mean..kind of like a court case when someone opens the door a topic becomes open for examination.


44 posted on 12/07/2008 7:05:16 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: Red Steel

the link that was posted wasn’t a direct article at the tribune site. I didn’t do any research to see how all of this came about..I just read the story posted by the Obamatron.


45 posted on 12/07/2008 7:07:02 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: billorites
That for-us-unusual belly button is probably quite normal in Kenya. It likely has to do with what they do to tie them off.

HF

46 posted on 12/07/2008 7:08:20 PM PST by holden
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To: Red Steel

Incredible how this is misreported, isn’t it?

All the State said was that a vault copy of his birth certificate did exist and that it was available to Obama if he requested it. Not who issued it, where, or what was on it.

Which knocks holes in any legal argument he might make that such a certificate did not exist or that he could not obtain it to present in court as ordered. It also indicates that only Obama can get the document, not one of his cronies “on his behalf”....

which was probably one reason for his one day trip to Hawaii the week before elections


47 posted on 12/07/2008 7:08:41 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: RummyChick

Janice Okubo?


48 posted on 12/07/2008 7:09:37 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: proxy_user
I am beginning to suspect Obama is a natural-born citizen, and that his birth certificate will confirm this....but it will reveal something else Obama doesn’t want known.

Barack Obama could have asked a court to examine the documents in closed chambers if that were the case.

Most likely I think is that he's probably eligible, but trying to stoke his ego by demonstrating that he can bluff his way through anything he wants. Not a good precedent to set.

49 posted on 12/07/2008 7:10:01 PM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: valkyry1

My nightmare scenario is that the Iranians will grab some of our soldiers and accuse them of unlawfully operating under the orders of an illegitimate leader. The only question is will his pride allow the soldiers to go to “trial”.

The Chinese saw weakness in president Bush and tried to exploit it when they held our airmen.


50 posted on 12/07/2008 7:10:17 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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