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Think tank: If each of us carried a gun . . .
Times Online (London, UK) ^ | December 8, 2008 | Richard Munday

Posted on 12/08/2008 12:11:58 PM PST by libstripper

The firearms massacres that have periodically caused shock and horror around the world have been dwarfed by the Mumbai shootings, in which a handful of gunmen left some 500 people killed or wounded.

For anybody who still believed in it, the Mumbai shootings exposed the myth of “gun control”. India had some of the strictest firearms laws in the world, going back to the Indian Arms Act of 1878, by which Britain had sought to prevent a recurrence of the Indian Mutiny.

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OMG!! Even the Brits are beginning to get it about shall issue CCW.
1 posted on 12/08/2008 12:11:58 PM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Ghandi himself called for the repeal of this heinous act...........


2 posted on 12/08/2008 12:13:32 PM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: libstripper
The arming of the populace guaranteed rather than disturbed the peace.

This guy GETS it!

3 posted on 12/08/2008 12:19:36 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Red Badger

Yes. Ghandi was one of the greatest “gun nuts” of all time!

;^)


4 posted on 12/08/2008 12:20:17 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: libstripper

Let’s keep plugging away at this issue even if it’s one person at a time.

I had a discussion with two of my son’s flaming lib friends about so-called “gun control”. By the end of it, they’d changed their minds about it and one is even considering getting his CC permit.

(I’ve also got one of them reading The Fountainhead and bought him Atlas Shrugged for Christmas. Bwahahahaha!)


5 posted on 12/08/2008 12:20:57 PM PST by nodumbblonde (Apologies: Due to the coming economic crisis, I've had to let my tagline go.)
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To: WayneS

It’s true...............


6 posted on 12/08/2008 12:22:20 PM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: libstripper
“Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India,” Mahatma Gandhi said, “history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.” The Mumbai massacre is a bitter postscript to Gandhi’s comment. D’Souza now laments his own helplessness in the face of the killers: “I only wish I had had a gun rather than a camera.”
And that "blackest of misdeeds" is now being contemplated by our "blackest of Presidents".
7 posted on 12/08/2008 12:22:29 PM PST by samtheman
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To: fanfan

Not a Canada ping, but the article may be of interest to our Candian friends.


8 posted on 12/08/2008 12:31:53 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: libstripper

Don’t even have to go that far.. just the threat of it works.

Kennesaw, Georgia put a law on their books, “Every Homeowner shall keep a Firearm in their home.”

Since then, the town crime rate sits in most cities “Margin of Error”.. THIS YEAR, same town in Late October.. had it’s first Homicide of the year.


9 posted on 12/08/2008 12:32:20 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's "1984" .. to Conservatives- a WARNING, to Liberals - a TEXTBOOK)
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To: libstripper

—bflr—


10 posted on 12/08/2008 12:34:36 PM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Red Badger

I know. I just wish MORE people knew.


11 posted on 12/08/2008 12:36:36 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Army Air Corps; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; Squawk 8888; ...
Not a Canada ping, but the article may be of interest to our Candian friends.

A very good choice for a Canada Ping.

Thanks, Army Air Corps.


12 posted on 12/08/2008 12:36:49 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: libstripper

Sorry, but even YOU missed the point: NO PERMITS NEEDED!

The BAD guys don’t have one, why should WE?


13 posted on 12/08/2008 12:39:45 PM PST by Don W (People who think are a threat to socialism)
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To: libstripper

But,but, p-ss on the victim is much more fun.


14 posted on 12/08/2008 12:46:49 PM PST by Waco (Oath? What oath?)
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To: gwilhelm56
Yes, as long as it's 'everybody trained to carry a gun. Would you want to be sitting next to somebody like that jerk in NY who shot himself in the leg?
15 posted on 12/08/2008 12:47:04 PM PST by rumraisin
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To: rumraisin

Actually, that idiot should have shot something ELSE ...thus taking himself OUT of the Gene Pool.

had that bullet entered MY LEG... my bullet would have entered his HEAD before I had the chance to Fall DOWN.. NO PROBLEM!!


16 posted on 12/08/2008 12:50:56 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's "1984" .. to Conservatives- a WARNING, to Liberals - a TEXTBOOK)
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To: libstripper

Richard Munday has AFAIK always been pro-gun/armed defense. He was assistant editor of “Handgunner” (not American Handgunner) magazine, a British firearms periodical that folded about the same time as the handgun ban (unsurprisingly) in 1997.


17 posted on 12/08/2008 12:55:31 PM PST by Mac1
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To: libstripper

Each of us? I don’t know, it’s not working out so well that each of us has a vote. :(


18 posted on 12/08/2008 12:56:03 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Public education is a welfare program. Do you indulge?)
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To: libstripper

‘If each of us carried a gun...’

We’d have 36 months of ‘incidents’.

And thereafter a much more polite society.

Works for me.


19 posted on 12/08/2008 12:57:41 PM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: libstripper

20 posted on 12/08/2008 12:58:39 PM PST by Dan Lacey
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To: libstripper

A free people ALWAYS had the right to arms.

SLAVES never did - regardless of the “format” of their servitude.


21 posted on 12/08/2008 1:10:58 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: libstripper
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BUT, ACCORDING TO DIANE FINESWINE, BABS BOXER, CHUCKY SCHUMER, ET AL – OOOOO – GUNS ARE SOOOO DANGEROUS!! In what may be a perverse form of population control, these MORONS – many of whom are themselves armed or have armed people around them -- would prefer us to have to call 911 – and DIE while the cops are en-route.

These murderous muzzies are HERE and the more of us who CARRY CONCEALED, the more of them we can “off” BEFORE they kill on the scale of their recent activities in Mumbai.

WHY THEY WANT OUR GUNS!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4


22 posted on 12/08/2008 1:15:01 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: libstripper

I have a couple of Brit friends and they get it. Sadly though the most of the country is suffering from the same wave of stupidity that has taken over our country.

So do not look for GB to ever have gun rights again.


23 posted on 12/08/2008 1:17:20 PM PST by fuzzybutt
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To: libstripper
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BUT, ACCORDING TO DIANE FINESWINE, BABS BOXER, CHUCKY SCHUMER, ET AL – OOOOO – GUNS ARE SOOOO DANGEROUS!! In what may be a perverse form of population control, these MORONS – many of whom are themselves armed or have armed people around them -- would prefer us to have to call 911 – and DIE while the cops are en-route.

These murderous muzzies are HERE and the more of us who CARRY CONCEALED, the more of them we can “off” BEFORE they kill on the scale of their recent activities in Mumbai.

WHY THEY WANT OUR GUNS!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4


24 posted on 12/08/2008 1:18:29 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: libstripper
... handgun crime, for instance, doubled here within five years of the prohibition of legal pistol ownership ...

I can't believe there are civilized societies still having this discussion.

25 posted on 12/08/2008 1:25:50 PM PST by LiberConservative (Typical white and nerdy white guy)
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To: rumraisin

That idiot was the football player Plaxico Burress. There is no law against idiots, I’m afraid....permits or not.


26 posted on 12/08/2008 1:31:27 PM PST by jdsteel (CONGRESS: Take it again in twenty ten.)
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To: Dick Bachert

Why do most mass shootings happen in ‘Gun-Free’ zones?


27 posted on 12/08/2008 1:33:29 PM PST by Girdyourloins (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. [Stonewall] Jackson)
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To: rumraisin

“Yes, as long as it’s ‘everybody trained to carry a gun. Would you want to be sitting next to somebody like that jerk in NY who shot himself in the leg?”

Agree that training is important for responsible handling and manipulation, but the 2nd doesn’t have a training clause.

Burris found out the hard way what serious folks know from training. Mexican carry works with a “peacemaker,” but a glock needs a holster, and a real belt.

Cheers


28 posted on 12/08/2008 1:40:17 PM PST by petro45acp (Hunkered down in occupied Virginia!)
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To: libstripper

I spoke with a guy from India the other day. We’ve talked at the gym before, and he was always liberal, pacifist and very critical of US policy, Guantanamo Bay and the WOT. Well, NO MORE! He was furious at Muslims, wanted India to go to war RIGHT THEN against Pakistan and totally, FINALLY, understood the purpose of Gitmo. He said, “what do we do with these animals, we can’t give them trials? Now India needs it’s own version of Gitmo”.

I didn’t say “welcome to the party pal”, as much as I wanted to, but just smiled and said, “I think India and the US are about to get a little bit closer”.

I’ve always thought that given enough time, the Muslims would piss off every civilized country on earth until the backlash wiped them out forever. They are well on their way. They have just made enemies of one billion Hindu’s, some of the most pacifist people on earth. Those pacifists now what blood, and they may get it. It’s too bad they don’t all own a gun.


29 posted on 12/08/2008 1:43:13 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Dan Lacey
Since most black murders are the result of Black-on-Black crime, shouldn't this man be crying about the *people* who have metaphorically harmed him, rather than the guns they used to do it?

If you could (not that you can, except maybe Gort) take away all those mean old guns from the equation, and left the drug-addled, choose-not-to-learn-or-work perps IN the equation, wouldn't he be surrounded by broken bottles? Steak knives? Baseball bats?

30 posted on 12/08/2008 1:43:16 PM PST by 50sDad (-/\/\/\- Obama's coming; be a Resistor!)
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To: LiberConservative
Societies?

Can you spot the pro-gun control folks right here on FR?

Ran into the same thing on AR15.com recently. "I'm pro-gun, but there are a lot of folks out there I don't want armed." They never stop to think that those in power don't want them armed either. Even more depressing is the number of law enforcement folks espousing such views.

Most people are too willing to give up a freedom if it's one they either don't use, or perceive as something that could be "unsavory" to their sensibilities.

31 posted on 12/08/2008 1:45:17 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Girdyourloins

We both know you ask a purely rhetorical question.

Having said that, for the benefit of any Dimocrats lurking here who don’t grasp the concept of a rhetorical question — or much of anything else in the REAL WORLD — the answer is that GUN-FREE ZONES ARE THE SAFEST PLACES FOR THEM TO GO TO KILL PEOPLE WITHOUT FEAR OF EXPERIENCING RETURN FIRE.

Good grief, they might get HURT or worse.


32 posted on 12/08/2008 1:51:01 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: rumraisin
Trained? How do you get training with every idiot legislator out there demonizing gun owners, gun use, and essentially trying to ignore the Second Amendment?

We have NIMBies who move in next door to a firing range, then get them shut down because of noise or environmental lead.

We have legislators and police chiefs publishing lists of CCW holders and expanding the pool of those they feel they can "disqualify" for whatever misdemeanors are in vogue this year.

How many of us are retired LEO or former military? Do we really need MORE training? How about those of us who shoot IPSC, Cowboy Action, DCM, or IDPA? Do we need more training too?

33 posted on 12/08/2008 1:52:30 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dick Bachert

Just trying to get the Dimocrats to THINK for once.

You can Phrase things another way:

Whom would a terrorist or criminal rather face, a person who CANNOT be armed, Or someone who MIGHT be armed?


34 posted on 12/08/2008 2:01:49 PM PST by Girdyourloins (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. [Stonewall] Jackson)
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To: samtheman

And that “blackest of misdeeds” is now being contemplated by our “blackest of Presidents”.

Molon Labe! Come and take them! http://moviesonline.ca/TheFeed/index.php?id=300-laydownyourweapons


35 posted on 12/08/2008 2:10:44 PM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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To: ZULU

“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.”

From “The Weapons Shops of Isher” by A. E. Van Voght


36 posted on 12/08/2008 2:13:05 PM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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To: libstripper
The firearms massacres that have periodically caused shock and horror around the world have been dwarfed by the Mumbai shootings, in which a handful of gunmen left some 500 people killed or wounded.

10 guys, armed with full autos with lots of ammo plus grenades, against a bunch of sheeple concentrated in hotels and train stations. They were LUCKY that casualties were that low.

Every single mass shooting in a Victim Disarmament Zone must be pointed out for what it is: a state-sanctioned massacre.

37 posted on 12/08/2008 2:15:28 PM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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To: libstripper
I hate to give the socialist ideas here, but I bet we will see the EPA try to outlaw smokeless power for reloading based on gunsmoke being a source of air pollution. I would laugh at this idea if campfires, home fireplaces, cow and hog farts were not on the EPAs to do list already. We might be using black-powder to reload with soon for our CCWs.
38 posted on 12/08/2008 2:19:37 PM PST by Reflex (SSCDD (same socialist crapola different day))
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To: Ancesthntr

Trust the government. Turn in your guns.


39 posted on 12/08/2008 2:43:42 PM PST by samtheman
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To: libstripper

bttt


40 posted on 12/08/2008 3:12:05 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: rumraisin
Yes, as long as it's 'everybody trained to carry a gun. Would you want to be sitting next to somebody like that jerk in NY who shot himself in the leg?

Well cops should certainly get some training.

41 posted on 12/08/2008 3:31:12 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: ZULU
A free people ALWAYS had the right to arms.

SLAVES never did - regardless of the “format” of their servitude.

It sounds almost like you are equating our modern welfare state - which traps poor people in the urban ghettos of cities with reactionary gun control laws and make them Wards Of The State - to slavery.

Yep.

42 posted on 12/08/2008 3:45:59 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: nodumbblonde

I checked out your homepage, and seeing some of the names listed there made me a little sad.


43 posted on 12/08/2008 8:57:16 PM PST by wastedyears ("Al Gore is an apostle of arrogance." - Vaclav Klaus, Pres. of Czech Republic)
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To: libstripper
Victorian gun crime - the shocking story
44 posted on 12/08/2008 10:16:16 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'll go green when they plant me in the ground.)
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To: wastedyears

I know, it made me sad to have to put some of them on there. :(

And, unfortunately, it’s just a starter list. :/


45 posted on 12/09/2008 6:56:54 AM PST by nodumbblonde (Apologies: Due to the coming economic crisis, I've had to let my tagline go.)
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To: Girdyourloins

That’s one of the points I made to my son’s friends: Ever hear of a massacre at a gun show?

Which also blows another lib theory out of the water: If the problem is guns and/or access to guns, you should be reading “Ho-hum, Yet Another Massacre at a Gun Show” in the paper every day.


46 posted on 12/09/2008 7:08:11 AM PST by nodumbblonde (Apologies: Due to the coming economic crisis, I've had to let my tagline go.)
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To: Girdyourloins

Why do most mass shootings happen in ‘Gun-Free’ zones?
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I have often wondered about that! Saturday my wife and I were with a group of over twenty people taking the training course for a South Carolina concealed weapons permit. As part of the requirements we all went out to a small firing range and fired thirty rounds each to show that we were capable of hitting what we aimed at. As we took turns firing in groups of five I wondered just why some nutcase has never taken the opportunity to come to one of these training sessions and gun down a few helpless victims. Gosh, I just can’t figure it out.
The other thing I can’ figure out is why those people who think we are safer without guns don’t put up a sign in front of their own homes saying that there are no guns allowed on the premises.


47 posted on 12/09/2008 7:20:42 AM PST by RipSawyer (Great Grandpa was a Confederate soldier from the cradle of secession.)
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To: libstripper
The Mumbai massacre could happen in London tomorrow; but probably it could not have happened to Londoners 100 years ago.

In January 1909 two such anarchists, lately come from an attempt to blow up the president of France, tried to commit a robbery in north London, armed with automatic pistols. Edwardian Londoners, however, shot back – and the anarchists were pursued through the streets by a spontaneous hue-and-cry. The police, who could not find the key to their own gun cupboard, borrowed at least four pistols from passers-by, while other citizens armed with revolvers and shotguns preferred to use their weapons themselves to bring the assailants down.

OMG - the Brits are "getting it". It's about damn time...

48 posted on 12/09/2008 7:36:55 AM PST by GOPJ (Perverse incentives birth nasty unintended consequences.)
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To: RipSawyer
The other thing I can’ figure out is why those people who think we are safer without guns don’t put up a sign in front of their own homes saying that there are no guns allowed on the premises.

Whoa - great comment. Or better yet, we could publish the names and addresses of people for gun control.

Let the crooks "figure" out what to do with the information... ( My guess is that like "Rosie" and the other Hollywood BIGS, these people have very expensive security systems and are not concerned about the consequences of their anti-gun beliefs on citizens not able to spend hundred's of thousands on similar systems.)

49 posted on 12/09/2008 7:42:51 AM PST by GOPJ (Perverse incentives birth nasty unintended consequences.)
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To: libstripper

Bump!


50 posted on 12/09/2008 8:53:12 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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