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Scotland Parliament Strongly Rejects Legislation to Legalize Assisted Suicide
Life News ^ | 12/8/08 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 12/08/2008 4:07:05 PM PST by wagglebee

Edinburgh, Scotland (LifeNews.com) -- The Scottish Parliament, the devolved national, unicameral legislature of Scotland, is not receptive to legislation to legalize assisted suicide in that portion of Great Britain. Margo MacDonald, the MSP behind the bill, failed to garner enough support to introduce the measure.

MacDonald is hoping to get a private member's bill introduced at Holyrood next year but only has the backing of four out of the 129 that comprise the legislative body.

That means she is 14 short of the number needed to get the bill introduced and well short of the level of support necessary to get an assisted suicide bill approved.

MacDonald's bill appears to be modeled after American laws in Oregon and Washington state that require a waiting period before a terminally ill patient can request a physician to provide a lethal drug prescription.

After realizing she didn't have enough support to get her measure introduced, she talked with the London Times about why she brought the bill.

"There are lots of people up and down Scotland who would like to make sure that they miss the last - and for them most intolerable - part of life, because of incapacity, loss of dignity, loss of control, insufferable pain perhaps," she said.

Pro-life advocates oppose assisted suicide and say that doctors should not be in the business of killing patients. They say patients should be given more help to cope with pain and depression and better hospice care.

Though a bill to legalize assisted suicide doesn't appear to be advancing in Scotland, pro-life advocates in England are more concerned.

A new piece of legislation, the Coroners and Justice Bill, which British Parliament officials announced at the start of the parliamentary year, will deal with assisted suicide. The measure, would reportedly modernize the law "to increase public understanding."

What that means, however, is another question.

The bill could make it more clear when people would be charged under the law for aiding in an assisted suicide, as in the case of Debbie Purdy.

John Smeaton, the director of the pro-life group Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, explained some of the concerns on Thursday.

"We are concerned that radical, so-called right-to-die MPs or peers - urged on by media coverage for assertions that some elderly people have a so-called duty to die - might seek to use the bill to weaken the legal protection of the right to life," Smeaton says.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife; scotland
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1 posted on 12/08/2008 4:07:07 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee; monkapotamus; NYer; All

Good for Scots


2 posted on 12/08/2008 4:07:46 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: wagglebee; monkapotamus; NYer; All

Good for Scots


3 posted on 12/08/2008 4:07:49 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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4 posted on 12/08/2008 4:07:49 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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5 posted on 12/08/2008 4:08:13 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Yay Scotland! Home of many of my ancestors!


6 posted on 12/08/2008 4:10:22 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: wagglebee

I oppose the state telling people when and how to end their life. That socialist Britain would oppose euthanasia doesn’t surprise me one bit.


7 posted on 12/08/2008 4:11:07 PM PST by zarodinu
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To: zarodinu

Me, too. And far too many conservatives think it’s ok to use government for this kind of thing.


8 posted on 12/08/2008 4:22:30 PM PST by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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To: SevenofNine
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9 posted on 12/08/2008 4:24:26 PM PST by monkapotamus
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To: All
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10 posted on 12/08/2008 4:26:54 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: monkapotamus

Hey Monk I watching History channel international they have thingy on William Wallace Bradeheart dude

One thing they mention he didn’t look like Mel Gibson I haven’t been disappoint since I found out that Ricardo Montilban wore that plastic chest in Star Trek Two Wrath of Khan


11 posted on 12/08/2008 4:27:14 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: arderkrag

Its not about legalising euthenasia, its about protecting the people who make it possible from prosecution for unlawful killing, which is pretty much the state’s job to do in any country....


12 posted on 12/08/2008 4:27:19 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: zarodinu; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; Sun; Dante3; 8mmMauser
I oppose the state telling people when and how to end their life. That socialist Britain would oppose euthanasia doesn’t surprise me one bit.

I realize you are new here and perhaps lost, but Free Republic is a CONSERVATIVE, PRO-LIFE forum.

Socialism fostered the modern euthanasia movement.

This person suffering from hereditary defects
costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime.
People, that is your money. Read ‘New People’.

13 posted on 12/08/2008 4:30:56 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Which is a slippery slope fallacy. If the action - legalized euthanasia - does not interfere with the rights of another, the action should be legal, regardless of what it may lead to.


14 posted on 12/08/2008 4:31:14 PM PST by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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To: zarodinu

A person is free to shoot himself in the head any time he likes, but the government shouldn’t sanction suicide. These euthanasia laws are really about giving people the right to help OTHER people kill themselves. You want to jump out a window? Fine, I guess. You want to push someone else out a window (albeit with that person’s consent)? You’re going to jail.


15 posted on 12/08/2008 4:34:43 PM PST by utahagen
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To: arderkrag

I don’t believe it is a ‘slippery slope’ fallicy. Euthenasia hasn’t even been legalised (yet) and already the debate has moved on from a ‘right to die’ to one of a ‘duty to die’. If you follow that path down to its logical destination you will end up in a very scary place indeed.....


16 posted on 12/08/2008 4:45:25 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

It is a fallacy, because you cannot guarantee that it will happen, and the threat of what might happen should not bar an action from becoming legal.


17 posted on 12/08/2008 4:49:14 PM PST by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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To: arderkrag; sinsofsolarempirefan
the threat of what might happen should not bar an action from becoming legal.

What a profound argument for drunk driving.

18 posted on 12/08/2008 4:58:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan; arderkrag
If you follow that path down to its logical destination you will end up in a very scary place indeed.....

The "logical destination" is actually the stated agenda:

Wesley J. Smith: Lady Warnock is the Future of Our Culture If We Are Not Careful

Brit Moralist Warnock Says Demented Have Duty to Die


19 posted on 12/08/2008 5:01:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I oppose government involvement in personal medical issues. Government has no right to end an innocent life, it also has no right to extend life against the wishes of a dying individual.

If the government is the ultimate arbiter of life and death (as you want it to be), the government has a right to say a baby is not really human and can be aborted. I am both pro-life and pro-euthanasia, either you let the government decide who lives and who dies, or you leave that choice to the individuals involved. I chose the later.


20 posted on 12/08/2008 5:11:08 PM PST by zarodinu
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To: zarodinu
I oppose government involvement in personal medical issues. Government has no right to end an innocent life, it also has no right to extend life against the wishes of a dying individual.

Yet you want the GOVERNMENT to legislate policy whereby physicians would be REQUIRED to end a patient's life.

If the government is the ultimate arbiter of life and death (as you want it to be),

No, I believe that God is the arbiter. You are trying to force the government to make MAN the arbiter.

21 posted on 12/08/2008 5:14:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: zarodinu

Pro-life means choosing to kill is not an option. You cannot be both pro-life and pro-death. The views you’re expressing are certainly not pro-life. No one here is suggesting that the government should decide who lives and who dies. The government should not have a choice in the matter. Murder, in all its forms, is off the table. Period.


22 posted on 12/08/2008 5:22:18 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
You cannot be both pro-life and pro-death.

But, but the Rooty Rooters said that you could . . . oh yeah, they all got zapped.

23 posted on 12/08/2008 5:27:25 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Yet you want the GOVERNMENT to legislate policy whereby physicians would be REQUIRED to end a patient's life. Apples and oranges. Nobody is talking about requiring anything. Patients would have the RIGHT to end their suffering with the aid of a physician. Involuntary euthanasia is just good old fashioned murder. That's not the issue at hand. No, I believe that God is the arbiter. You are trying to force the government to make MAN the arbiter Civil law either puts something under government control or leaves it up to the individual. You may believe that God is the arbiter, but you are letting a government clerk have the final say on what God wills.
24 posted on 12/08/2008 5:31:12 PM PST by zarodinu
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To: wagglebee; zarodinu
This explains why the troll showed up here.

zarodinu
Since Nov 27, 2008

December 1, 2008 post by zarodinu
I am an outright atheist and I believe in evil.

25 posted on 12/08/2008 5:31:26 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

Irrelevant comparison. Drunk driving actively, by itself, puts other drivers at risk. Euthanasia does not, by itself, put anyone at risk.


26 posted on 12/08/2008 5:35:05 PM PST by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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To: zarodinu

Your arguments are totally baseless, you are supporting government legislation to legalize euthanasia, yet you claim to want the government out of it.

And in case it escaped your notice, we are talking about the UK which has socialized health care, so physicians would be REQUIRED to participate.

It is fairly obvious that you are a libertarian and, though you share some beliefs with conservatives, you are not a conservative.


27 posted on 12/08/2008 5:35:25 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: arderkrag
Euthanasia does not, by itself, put anyone at risk.

Nonsense.

28 posted on 12/08/2008 5:36:25 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: BykrBayb

Hitler was an atheist who believed in evil.


29 posted on 12/08/2008 5:38:44 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Really? Keep thinking that. it’s only what it could lead to - people being killed under the guise of euthanasia - that puts the rights of the citizenry at risk. The euthanasia itself does not. The two are separate.


30 posted on 12/08/2008 5:40:31 PM PST by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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To: arderkrag

Read the links I posted in #19, they are already talking to make euthanasia INVOLUNTARY in the UK:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2145184/posts?page=19#19


31 posted on 12/08/2008 5:43:38 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I’m a libertarian. I’m a conservative. The two are not mutually exclusive.


32 posted on 12/08/2008 5:43:48 PM PST by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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To: arderkrag

Actually, they are.


33 posted on 12/08/2008 5:44:34 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

“We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out”.

-Adolf Hitler


34 posted on 12/08/2008 5:44:58 PM PST by zarodinu
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To: wagglebee
But, but the Rooty Rooters said that you could . . . oh yeah, they all got zapped.

And they would never return under a new troll name, right? LOL

35 posted on 12/08/2008 5:45:05 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee
You really don't get what I'm saying. What they are talking about has nothing to do with whether the act of euthanasia in and of itself should be legal.
36 posted on 12/08/2008 5:45:38 PM PST by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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What are you trying to say?


37 posted on 12/08/2008 5:46:14 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: BykrBayb

I don’t know, but the Bug Zapper was just Peachy!


38 posted on 12/08/2008 5:47:01 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

No, they aren’t. Libertarians are simply not in the business of using government to meet social ends, or to prevent social change.


39 posted on 12/08/2008 5:47:10 PM PST by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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To: arderkrag
What they are talking about has nothing to do with whether the act of euthanasia in and of itself should be legal.

Taking human life is morally WRONG and it is MURDER and should therefore be ILLEGAL.

40 posted on 12/08/2008 5:48:09 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: arderkrag

You’re trying to mandate euthanasia which has been forbidden in the Judeo-Christian world for thousands of years — THAT is using the government to meet social ends.


41 posted on 12/08/2008 5:49:41 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

If someone asks you to kill them, it is not murder.


42 posted on 12/08/2008 5:50:14 PM PST by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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To: wagglebee

Hitler was not an atheist, nor was he a Christian. He was first and foremost a fascist whose faith was in the state. He believed moral issue should be decided by the government and not by the individual or the churches.


43 posted on 12/08/2008 5:50:26 PM PST by zarodinu
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To: arderkrag

Actually, it is.


44 posted on 12/08/2008 5:50:35 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: zarodinu

That seems to describe you as well.


45 posted on 12/08/2008 5:51:07 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: arderkrag
Euthanasia does not, by itself, put anyone at risk.

Um, English isn't your first language, is it? There are many online dictionaries. Look up "euthanasia" and get back to us.

46 posted on 12/08/2008 5:51:44 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

Wrong. I am trying to make it legal. There is a difference. I don’t believe in forcing anyone into any action they don’t choose. And what has been forbidden is irrelevant. Does it interfere with the rights of a citizen for you to kill them after they ask you to do exactly that? No. That is all that should be considered.


47 posted on 12/08/2008 5:52:26 PM PST by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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To: wagglebee

Yeah, the bug zapper had me howlin’ for days. LOL


48 posted on 12/08/2008 5:54:13 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

Keep thinking that way. If someone begs you to kill them, it is not murder. The right to life includes the right to end your own, regardless of what society says. I don’t believe it’s morally right, but that is irrelevant to whether or not it should be legal, IMO.


49 posted on 12/08/2008 5:54:21 PM PST by arderkrag (Liberty Walking (www.geocities.com/arderkrag))
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To: arderkrag

But you’re not trying to make suicide legal. You’re trying to make a specific form of murder legal.


50 posted on 12/08/2008 5:57:25 PM PST by BykrBayb (May God have mercy on our souls. ~ Þ)
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