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'Gun control'? One Jewish group says 'Never again!'
Cleveland Examiner ^ | 12/08/08 | David Codrea

Posted on 12/08/2008 4:54:57 PM PST by Copernicus

Friday we discussed the anti-gun efforts of the National Council of Jewish Women, a group that claims to be "inspired by Jewish values."

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership would disagree. Billed as "America's most aggressive defender of firearms ownership," the "twin goals" of JPFO are:

To destroy "gun control" and to encourage Americans to understand and defend all of the Bill of Rights for everyone...

Founded by Jews and initially aimed at educating the Jewish community about the historical evils that Jews have suffered when they have been disarmed, JPFO has always welcomed persons of all religious beliefs who share a common goal of opposing and reversing victim disarmament policies while advancing liberty for all.

They're not a lobbying organization. Their work is done through education, via books, videos, pamphlets...

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; codrea; jewishamericans; jpfo; rkba; shallnotbeinfringed
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The Daily David.

There will always be people who continue to deliver through rain,sleet,snow and dark of night. (And no, I do not speak of the US Postal Service)

Best regards to all,

1 posted on 12/08/2008 4:54:58 PM PST by Copernicus
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To: Copernicus

JPFO has the right idea.


2 posted on 12/08/2008 4:57:12 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Copernicus

Until the Jews, who have the most to lose in Democrat administrations, start voting conservative, then and only then will I give a big fat rats arse about what they think.


3 posted on 12/08/2008 4:59:35 PM PST by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: shankbear
Until the Jews, who have the most to lose in Democrat administrations, start voting conservative, then and only then will I give a big fat rats arse about what they think.

Isn't that the truth. It never ceases to amaze me how these people continue to vote the SAME way and expect different results, kind of the definition of insanity, certainly deluded.

4 posted on 12/08/2008 5:09:00 PM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: brushcop

Isn’t that the truth.

Considering that Hitler’s NAZI Germany was a socialist group and they keep voting FOR the socialists.


5 posted on 12/08/2008 5:13:47 PM PST by stockpirate (Left ignores Constitution except 14th admendment, can we ignore the 14th amendment?)
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To: Copernicus
Friday we discussed the anti-gun efforts of the National Council of Jewish Women, a group that claims to be "inspired by Jewish values."

As in, run, don't walk to the gas chambers?

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6 posted on 12/08/2008 5:13:51 PM PST by JCG
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To: Copernicus

In Israel inspired by the main Jewish value over the last 4,000 years, the will to survive, our girls, subject to the draft, get the same weapons training as the boys in the army. As for Jews espousing one political viewpoint, if that ever happened, we might even get a majority government here someday.


7 posted on 12/08/2008 5:14:34 PM PST by idov
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To: ought-six

That’s why I belong to it.


8 posted on 12/08/2008 5:15:32 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: brushcop

It’s not a jewish-only group. Anyone can join.

Besides the jews who founded this group aren’t the liberal jews on the west or east coasts. They saw Hitler disarm everyone and then well, you know.


9 posted on 12/08/2008 5:16:43 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: shankbear

“Until the Jews, who have the most to lose in Democrat administrations, start voting conservative”

These Jews vote conservative. So do I.


10 posted on 12/08/2008 5:17:27 PM PST by TFMcGuire (Life is tough. It is even tougher if you are stupid--John Wayne)
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To: Copernicus

The National Council of Jewish Women: a group that claims to be “inspired by Jewish values”?? Since when does disarming oneself and forcing others to do so a part of Jewish values? One would think disarming would be the last thing of value. The NCJW must have come from some of those who managed to escape the holocaust rather than survive it and missed out on a real education on how the world was, is and can be again.


11 posted on 12/08/2008 5:17:50 PM PST by GBA
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To: Copernicus


The Jews know what they are talking about.



12 posted on 12/08/2008 5:33:31 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Copernicus

JPFO link here...

http://www.jpfo.org/


13 posted on 12/08/2008 5:35:21 PM PST by mcmuffin (.) , (.)
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14 posted on 12/08/2008 5:42:38 PM PST by mcmuffin (.) , (.)
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To: mcmuffin

Here is a great article on JPFO:

http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/athens-seiber.htm

The Battle of Athens, Tenn.


15 posted on 12/08/2008 5:56:52 PM PST by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: mcmuffin

16 posted on 12/08/2008 5:57:29 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: GBA
The National Council of Jewish Women: a group that claims to be “inspired by Jewish values”?? Since when does disarming oneself and forcing others to do so a part of Jewish values? One would think disarming would be the last thing of value. The NCJW must have come from some of those who managed to escape the holocaust rather than survive it and missed out on a real education on how the world was, is and can be again.

As the product of a liberal Jewish home, I can say that I'm the (CAUTION - Racist phrase ahead!) "black sheep" of the family. I'm the one with the motorcycle and all the guns. My fascination with guns began back in grade school, and honestly, nobody in the family has been able to figure that out... Anyway, my mother once told me that "Jews don't believe in guns." I kid you not. To this day (I'm 46 now), I still don't understand what that means. I mean, how can you not "believe" in an inanimate object that obviously DOES exist. I think that she meant that "Jews aren't supposed to USE guns," but them I never understood how she could support Israel and hold that view. Especially knowing that a number of her half brothers that she never met were killed in eastern europe during the 1940s.

Many Jews just have this "disconnect" that really can't be explained in any way. It's quite disturbing, actually.

Mark

17 posted on 12/08/2008 6:36:58 PM PST by MarkL
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To: TFMcGuire

But less than 20% of the Jews vote with their brains. This group notwithstanding.


18 posted on 12/08/2008 6:49:07 PM PST by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: shankbear; brushcop; stockpirate
What would you guys say if I were to tell you that the JPFO dudes are conservatives who DIDN'T vote for Obama?

To the contrary, they serve as an example of the change you wish to see to the Jewish community. I've sent them money in the past and I will do so again next year.

If you're serious about wishing to see jews on "our side", you should shout in solidarity with them, "Never again!"

Shalom.

19 posted on 12/08/2008 7:01:39 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner

“Never again!”
Shalom.


20 posted on 12/08/2008 7:10:15 PM PST by stockpirate (Left ignores Constitution except 16th amendment, can we ignore the 16th amendment?)
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To: stockpirate
That's the spirit!

Shalom and a whole buncha other Hebrew stuff.

See, now we're cool guys too.

21 posted on 12/08/2008 7:11:59 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: shankbear

Yep, they help the National Socialists (German or American) load them on the cattle cars.

You are exactly right.

Looking good for Israel, however, with Netanyahu leading in the polls.


22 posted on 12/08/2008 7:12:38 PM PST by TFMcGuire (Life is tough. It is even tougher if you are stupid--John Wayne)
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To: brushcop; shankbear
shankbear : Until the Jews, who have the most to lose in Democrat administrations, start voting conservative, then and only then will I give a big fat rats arse about what they think.

brushcop: Isn't that the truth. It never ceases to amaze me how these people continue to vote the SAME way and expect different results, kind of the definition of insanity, certainly deluded.

Speaking as a conservative Jew, I couldn't give a rat's ass about either of you either.

23 posted on 12/08/2008 7:16:26 PM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: OKSooner
If you're serious about wishing to see jews on "our side", you should shout in solidarity with them, "Never again!"

Let me tell you a secret, there are "conservatives" who don't want Jews on "our" side.

24 posted on 12/08/2008 7:18:44 PM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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25 posted on 12/08/2008 7:19:03 PM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: SJackson
Yeah, I know. I have a friend who is a (non-religious) jew and he's a bit touchy, you might say in a "flip side" sort of way...

He's as politically conservative as anybody around here, though, and a blast to hang out with. And he loves to go shooting with me and my wife.

26 posted on 12/08/2008 7:29:17 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Look at that f’n kraut. I hope my dad loaded a 105 round that took him out personally.


27 posted on 12/08/2008 7:33:12 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: Copernicus

Too bad that most Jews are liberals.


28 posted on 12/08/2008 7:36:30 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is the Antichrist.)
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To: OKSooner; SJackson

SJackson this is for you to, it was exasperation driving me to say these things so I apologize in offending you.

Yes OKSooner, I “shout” in solidarity with my jewish friends and get mighty exasperated (and we’ve “shouted” at each other!) over the demographics of those voting or supporting Obama! “Come, let us reason together” sounds great but what does it take to convince who I regard as generally very reasonable people, just what Obama is about? Please explain.

Also, am I confusing JPFO with the group that dissed Sarah Palin during that golden opportunity??

We’ve had these talks before the election and drat it, again, demographics prove my point, now more than ever. Give up? No, of course not but as we all slide slowly into some form of slavery, how much more patience will it take? “Seventy times seven” I would imagine...


29 posted on 12/08/2008 7:44:16 PM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: shankbear
Until the Jews, who have the most to lose in Democrat administrations, start voting conservative...

Some actually do vote "conservative" such as those here on FR. In fact some of those Jews are firearms owners themselves. Don't paint with too broad of a brush, please.

I agree with you that Jews have a lot to lose in 'Rat administrations. But so do all Americans, especially middle class white males - and some of them are Jews too!

30 posted on 12/08/2008 7:52:09 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: brushcop; SJackson
Well, honestly, I'm not blessed with the gift of persuasion.

My friend that I mentioned is not a guy that I care to argue with either - his brain runs at about ten times the cycle rate of an average person.

In his case, I guess I can be happy to say that I took a friend shooting. He's a shooter now, and I helped. I would hope that he will have some pull with his peeps where I haven't.

BTW, interesting story about this guy, who I won't mention by name. You've heard of "Goldberg", the pro rassler? He grew up here in my home town, and went to the same private Hebrew school as my friend. Goldberg was a year younger. The school put on a rasslin' tournament for the boys - my friend was in 1st grade and Goldberg in Kindgergarten or the equivalent of it. Turned out that my bud is the only human being who ever pinned Bill Goldberg.

I love to tell that story about him. If you could meet him you'd appreciate it.

31 posted on 12/08/2008 7:56:29 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: brushcop

Oh, yeah, your second question. I don’t know who it was who dissed Sarah that you referred to so I couldn’t say if it was JPFO or not. I would hope not.


32 posted on 12/08/2008 7:58:01 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: brushcop
Also, am I confusing JPFO with the group that dissed Sarah Palin during that golden opportunity??

The only Jewish group I can think of that "dissed" Sarah Palin during the recent campaign is the National Democratic Jewish Council. That organization can better be described as "leftist" than "Jewish". I'd be confident that JPFO has no connection whatsoever to them.

33 posted on 12/08/2008 7:59:29 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: shankbear

Yes, yes, of course.

Since these Jews are ardent supporters of one’s right to own guns... you *MUST* now give a flying rats arse about the ‘right to own guns’.

WTF?


34 posted on 12/08/2008 8:09:55 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: OKSooner; justiceseeker93

It most likely was the NDJC, a terrible missed opportunity but *sigh* ‘tis passed. I would never intentionally diss my jewish friends, as a dear friend D_____ Wassermann often said, “We must learn to bless each other Ronald, and take a deep breath, then start again!” How can you not love such a man?

I was purchasing his optics from his NY company, he would fly to Texas and practically melt regardless if it was mid-winter here, that’s how big an account we had, or was it that he loved a good “discussion” with a gentile friend that didn’t stay mad? I think that was it.

I don’t know how we’ll get through this, just face into the hurricane, hunch our shoulders and keep on keeping on.

Wassermann, where are you, it’s been 30 years now...

Shalom, for sure


35 posted on 12/08/2008 8:16:50 PM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: OKSooner

I would whole-heartedly applaud any Jew that didn’t vote for Obama. Could ANY conservative of any stripe vote for Obama??? Not this one.


36 posted on 12/09/2008 7:20:58 AM PST by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: OKSooner

I do shout NEVER AGAIN!!!!!


37 posted on 12/09/2008 7:22:31 AM PST by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: OKSooner
You've heard of "Goldberg", the pro rassler?...

I've known two Jewish wrestlers, one pro from decades ago, one college, but not "Goldberg". Sounds like a good story though.

38 posted on 12/09/2008 7:38:34 AM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: brushcop
That's OK.

It wasn't JPFO, they're a small Wisconsin organization. Ironically a state with hardly any Jews, and two Jewish Senators.

The anti-Iran rally was organized by several groups. Personally I'd place most of the blame Clinton/Obama. Having Palin only would have politicized the event, and opposition to Iran should be bi-partisan. A shame our upcoming Secretary of State put her personal ambitions above delivering that message.

39 posted on 12/09/2008 7:40:52 AM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: shankbear

Yeah, lumping all Jews together is brillant.

I mean given that Jonah Goldberg, Mark Levin, and probably 1/4 of the active posters on FreeRepublic are Jewish folk, you’re a bright spark.


40 posted on 12/09/2008 7:41:26 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: JCG

As in the Warsaw Ghetto held out longer against the Nazis than the nation of France?

The “Jews are sheep” meme is a socialist lie.


41 posted on 12/09/2008 7:42:22 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: SJackson

“Let me tell you a secret, there are “conservatives” who don’t want Jews on “our” side.”

Yeah, seeing more and more of them here.


42 posted on 12/09/2008 7:43:42 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: OKSooner; justiceseeker93
See post 39, I think the reference is to the Stop Iran Now rally, where an invitation to Palin to speak was withdrawn when Hillary canceled. There were multiple sponsors.
43 posted on 12/09/2008 7:43:50 AM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Too bad the majority of goy voted for Obama.


44 posted on 12/09/2008 7:44:18 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: Copernicus
For information on how to join JPFO, you can visit this page.
45 posted on 12/09/2008 7:56:49 AM PST by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: Copernicus

Rabbi Meir Kahane (z”l): “Every Jew a .22”

NFOShekky (me): “If a 9mm or larger is not available.”
Jew, CDR USN Ret., Life Member NRA, and Republican


46 posted on 12/09/2008 8:25:20 AM PST by NFOShekky (Freedom Is Never Free.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Yes, but they do not consistently vote for ‘Rats as a whole.


47 posted on 12/09/2008 8:41:13 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is the Antichrist.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; MeanWestTexan
I take it for granted the posters who make those comments aren't Republicans. I wouldn't entirely rely on the Exit polls, particularly for small samples, but the GOP has some serious demographic problems.

As we focus on here, Jews at 76%, but not very many.

Blacks, 95%, OK, we write them off too.

Hispanics, 67% Obama, Asians, 62% Obama. If we're not willing to accept minorities who have voted for a D in the past, we're stuck with the 55% of the whites, who voted for McCain.

But then there's age, 18-29; 66% for the one. The good news, 60 and older the GOP got a majority, 51%. I guess, that won't take us far.

First time voters, 69% for The One.

They get a pass, but Catholics, 54%, despite the Life issue.

70% of big cities, 59% of small cities, 50% of suburbs, the GOP depending on their thin 53% showing in small towns and rural areas, I guess.

It seems to me the GOP would be well advised to try to persuade some of those Dem voters based on the issues, not reject them as some would like.

48 posted on 12/09/2008 9:01:29 AM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: MeanWestTexan

PLEEEEAAAASSSEEEE. I meant the ones that voted for Obama.


49 posted on 12/09/2008 9:15:09 AM PST by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: MeanWestTexan
As in the Warsaw Ghetto held out longer against the Nazis than the nation of France?

The “Jews are sheep” meme is a socialist lie.

Ok, there was the Warsaw uprising, the escape from Sobibor and an uprising at Auschwitz. What did the other 5.25 million Jews do to resist?

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

April 19, 1943 - May 16, 1943

Nazi Conquest of France

May 10, 1940 - June 22, 1940

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Great because you did it!
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50 posted on 12/09/2008 9:10:37 PM PST by JCG
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