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UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
US Senate Committee on Science and Public Works ^ | 12/10/08 | Marc Morano

Posted on 12/10/2008 9:32:36 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF

Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? - Warming Fears in 'Dustbin of History'

POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

...Full Report Set To Be Released in the Next 24 Hours – Stay Tuned…

A hint of what the upcoming report contains:

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh....

(Excerpt) Read more at epw.senate.gov ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; climatecycles; epw; globalwarming; inhofe; inhofegw; ipcc; jamesinhofe; un
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From Senator Inhofe's EPW Press Blog. 52 prominent scientists signed the IPCC report, 650 decented. This doesn't sound like a "consensus" in favor of man made global warming to me.
1 posted on 12/10/2008 9:32:37 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF
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To: InABunkerUnderSF; FrPR; enough_idiocy; Desdemona; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 12/10/2008 9:36:42 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

But, Algore has proclaimed that global warming is certainly man-made ... so, it MUST be true. Right?? </sarcasm.


3 posted on 12/10/2008 9:37:07 AM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Let’s hope we can kill this “beast” — AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming)...


4 posted on 12/10/2008 9:37:15 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Yet another voice of reason. I’ve heard four good things this week on Free Republic. I’m starting to get happy again. Notice to World at Large — Don’t blow it.


5 posted on 12/10/2008 9:39:57 AM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

this is not about global warming. its about America FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM


6 posted on 12/10/2008 9:41:50 AM PST by thetru
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
Yet another voice of reason.

Actually 650 voices of reason. One of my favorites comes from South America:

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.

7 posted on 12/10/2008 9:43:41 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson reveals the truth about why some scientific types have endorsed Global Warming and why she is a skeptic ...

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.”

8 posted on 12/10/2008 9:46:42 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

31,072 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,021 with PhDs

http://www.petitionproject.org/


9 posted on 12/10/2008 9:47:18 AM PST by bankwalker (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly...

FUNDING is the key. NO CRISIS, NO MONEY! Must have a "crisis" so the Gorebull Warming Hoax folks can line their pockets with taxpayer dollars.

10 posted on 12/10/2008 9:52:09 AM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

What? No statements in defense of Global Warming from Dr. Heidi Cullen,,,the same one who got canned from The Weather Channel?


11 posted on 12/10/2008 9:54:55 AM PST by austinaero
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To: austinaero
What? No statements in defense of Global Warming from Dr. Heidi Cullen?

She was not one of the 52 authors of the IPCC report. She doesn't even rate among the IPCC crowd.

This is from the report:

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

12 posted on 12/10/2008 9:59:09 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Interesting. To some degree the hysteria might be more amenable to reason at this time, simply because the economic crisis has stolen the spotlight.


13 posted on 12/10/2008 9:59:39 AM PST by oscars300
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Doesn’t 650 to 52 usually mean a win ?

Maybe it is that new math - ?


14 posted on 12/10/2008 10:00:41 AM PST by PMAS
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Global warming has become a new religion

Truer words were never spoken. Recycling bottles, using reusable grocery totes, and driving a Prius are their tithes to "Mother Earth."

15 posted on 12/10/2008 10:05:14 AM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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To: TexasGreg

Note that AlGore has turned down some kind of “global warming czar” position with the Obama administration.

Hmmm...


16 posted on 12/10/2008 10:06:10 AM PST by Tony in Hawaii (NUTS!)
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To: TexasGreg

Obama has too and he is about to sell out the U.S. over it.


17 posted on 12/10/2008 10:07:43 AM PST by tomnbeverly (A Message For The GOP: Never Let Them Triangulate and Give No Quarter.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Gore also flys around the world in a private jet, such a hypocrite.


18 posted on 12/10/2008 10:08:57 AM PST by PMAS
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To: PMAS
Doesn’t 650 to 52 usually mean a win ?

Unfortunately, despite what the IPCC and Al Gore might have liked to insist in the past, science doesn't work by consensus. The good news is that a lot of scientists seem to be getting cold feet on the anthropogenic global warming issue.

Anthropogenic global warming started out as an incorrect interpretation of certain scientific evidence by people whose political preferences led them to desire that such an interpretation be true.

The movement has since been taken over by those who wish to disrupt global capitalism and damage the world economy.

Some scientists are coming to see that in the face of observations that contradict the predictions of their climate models, the global warming gravy train is about to come to an end. If they choose to associate themselves and their careers with what is fast proving to be junk science and the people who are trying to destroy the very economy that supports the funding they depend on, their careers will go the way of eugenics researchers in the 1930s.

19 posted on 12/10/2008 10:17:01 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: bankwalker

I am proud to say that my name is on that list.


20 posted on 12/10/2008 10:22:54 AM PST by expatpat
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Excellent thread, InABunkerUnderSF. Global warming was never about science, it was about politics, envirowackos, and greed.


21 posted on 12/10/2008 10:25:44 AM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

I hope this Global Warming gravy train does come to an end, not that I am against other forms of energy — I moved 3 times in the last 10 years and converted each house from oil to natural gas and am looking into solar panels form my house now — anything not to give my money to OPEC.
If BO and the his new gov want to promote clean energy, they should make the cost for solar, natural gas, etc completely tax deductible and offer government loans at 1% interest for companies and homeowners as an incentive to do so.


22 posted on 12/10/2008 10:28:22 AM PST by PMAS
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To: expatpat

Good for you. I also signed the Petition Project back in the late 1990s (B.S. Physics).

Dr. Arthur Robinson will be speaking at the Mar 2009 climate realist NYC conference sponsored by Heartland Institute.


23 posted on 12/10/2008 10:28:49 AM PST by enviros_kill
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To: CaribouCrossing

All thanks due Mr. Morano and Senator Inhofe’s excellent staff.

Agreed, “global warming” is a tool used by people who would destroy capitalism and freedom if we let them.

The good news is, they seem to be scattering like cockroaches as the light is shined on them.


24 posted on 12/10/2008 10:30:45 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

We have sunspot!
Sunspot group 1009
Sunspot number 11
Expecting -30 tonight


25 posted on 12/10/2008 10:32:16 AM PST by RightWhale (We were so young two years ago and the DJIA was 12,000)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
The house of cards is set in stone.
26 posted on 12/10/2008 10:34:38 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Unfortunately, it is taught in schools as FACT. The greens know the “true green revolution” will mount with the next few generations, just like Obama’s election came from the ignorant masses taught socialist pablum for the last two decades in government schools. It’s crawling marxism.


27 posted on 12/10/2008 10:35:49 AM PST by egannacht
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Who will pay for the fraud perpetrated on the citizens of this country now?


28 posted on 12/10/2008 10:47:13 AM PST by SouthTexas (Remember, it took a Jimmy Carter to bring us a Ronald Reagan!)
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To: PMAS
I moved 3 times in the last 10 years and converted each house from oil to natural gas...

Here is another reason why "greens" are so wrong about the world.

The term "greenhouse gas" BTW is attributed to Dr. Carl Sagan. Dr. Sagan was attempting to describe why Venus was so much hotter than scientists expected it to be. He pointed out that CO2 has a much higher thermal capacity than the N2 and O2 that make up our atmosphere. Unfortunately Dr. Sagan came from Brooklyn and there ain't many greenhouses in Brooklyn so he never learned that greenhouses work by limiting convection and not by concentrating CO2. Therefore we are stuck with an inaccurate term that doesn't explain anything.

Combustion takes hydrocarbons and breaks them down into water vapor (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2). Water vapor is about 140% worse, molecule for molecule, as a "greenhouse gas" than carbon dioxide. Short chain hydrocarbons like methane, butane and propane put a higher ratio of water vapor versus carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than longer chain hydrocarbons like heptane and octane.

You see, by converting your homes to burn natural gas you were actually putting more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than if you had burned heating oil. By burning methane you are putting much more of the deadly greenhouse gas H2O into the atmosphere

Of course with natural gas you are also dumping tons fewer particulates into the air but hey, this is about "global warming" and "greenhouse gasses", smog was last decade's problem!

:o)

29 posted on 12/10/2008 10:58:55 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: SouthTexas
Who will pay for the fraud perpetrated on the citizens of this country now?

I'll give you three guesses, but you can bet it won't be Al Gore or any of the "scientists" who raked in millions in grant money to promote this fraud.

30 posted on 12/10/2008 11:02:37 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: steelyourfaith

The only reason 650 scientists are claiming global warming is not man made is clearly a direct result of man made global warming.

Global warming is going through a phase where it mimics a cooling period, but in you ‘really cute grandchildrens’ lifetime, it will rear its ugly head and destroy them unless we transfer money from our accounts into algores account.


31 posted on 12/10/2008 11:03:14 AM PST by Eddie01 (Telling it like it is since "revolver" was released)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

The most serious and perhaps insidious failures of the structure and use of the models comes from the systematic reduction of reporting stations and the subsequent adjustments made to the raw data left from those still maintained to better make this sparseness more robust by “fitting” it to the more cooperative canary-points hand-selected by the modelers.

Unfortunately for them, they seem to have been caught recently by much more attentive observers whose interest is piqued more by accuracy than by suitability and now they are in the process of re-adjusting it while laboriously hammering the stubborn little squares into their nicely rounded but empty holes.

Still, as one critic casually commented at the beginning of the link, the relationship of clouds and their natural tendency to form about small particles also illustrates the backdoor for these sleazeballs to escape into the morass of regulation as the latest focus of regulation by the EPA and all its sisters, cousins and henchkin in chief now target PM2.5 as though every speck of dust is manmade and threaten to shutdown all construction or invention if the air is not left washed clean.

Result?, they still win, we still freeze for lack of fuel to heat our crumbling hovels and we still stick our bony fingers forward to receive our crumbs of cake.


32 posted on 12/10/2008 11:10:11 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: thetru

It’s not just American Freedom any more...I’m throughly convinenced they want a new world order, and they are hell bent on delivering it.

These power hungry, rich, SOBs that don’t do more than direct some funds here and screw a few middle class there.

Where’s that person on the Corner of Wall and Broad with the sign that says “Jump you F-—ers”?

But, on a positive, how about one for the good guys for a change?!!!!!!


33 posted on 12/10/2008 11:10:53 AM PST by fightinbluhen51 ("...If it moves, tax it, if it moves faster, regulate it, if it stops, subsidies it.")
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To: RightWhale

34 posted on 12/10/2008 11:14:11 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

>> “I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

bigot /s


35 posted on 12/10/2008 11:17:20 AM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Old Professer

Lower right. Sunspot group.


36 posted on 12/10/2008 11:23:34 AM PST by RightWhale (We were so young two years ago and the DJIA was 12,000)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history

Sing it brother...

37 posted on 12/10/2008 11:25:27 AM PST by John123 (The US may be going down the drain, but everyone else will drown first...)
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To: bankwalker

The report on the petitionproject web site is very interesting reading and the best comparative analysis I have seen on the subject. I had seen some of the information presented at different times and places, but this report is a home run.


38 posted on 12/10/2008 11:29:38 AM PST by Techster
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
From Senator Inhofe's EPW Press Blog. 52 prominent scientists signed the IPCC report, 650 decented.

Dissented?

39 posted on 12/10/2008 11:29:43 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: RightWhale

40 posted on 12/10/2008 11:33:43 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

You, me, and who else?


41 posted on 12/10/2008 11:35:09 AM PST by SouthTexas (Remember, it took a Jimmy Carter to bring us a Ronald Reagan!)
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To: RightWhale

42 posted on 12/10/2008 11:35:27 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: aflaak

ping


43 posted on 12/10/2008 11:37:24 AM PST by r-q-tek86 (Keep the Change)
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To: Techster
The report on the petitionproject web site is very interesting reading and the best comparative analysis I have seen on the subject. I had seen some of the information presented at different times and places, but this report is a home run.

Pass the link to everyone you know and ask them to do the same.

www.petitionproject.org

44 posted on 12/10/2008 11:38:28 AM PST by bankwalker (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: egannacht

One of the biggest problems we ‘deniers’ face is that few real facts are ever given by the AGW crowd. This is intentional, of course. For instance, they throw around labels like ‘green’ and ‘clean’ but never define them. It can be demonstrated that the atmosphere is ‘cleaner’ today that it has been in decades (in the U.S.), if not centuries (parts of Europe). How can something like CO2, necessary for life itself, be labeled ‘dirty’? It boggles the mind.

I’ve come up with (what I think is) a simple, understandable-by-anyone concept to explain why folks should stop being ‘afraid’ of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere.

Here’s line of thinking:

Question1:
What are the molecules that compose air? Name them in order of most-to-least abundant.

Answer:
Nitrogen, Oxygen, Water, Argon, Carbon Dioxide, and Other.

Question2:
If you take a random (or average) sampling of 10,000 molecules of air and assume that each molecule is worth a penny, how much would each of the different components of the air be worth?

(Note: 10,000 pennies is the same as $100.00. If you couch the discussion in dollars and cents rather than, say, PPM - folks will have an easier time grasping the numbers. Even a second grader understands completely the difference between a $20. bill and 4 pennies.)

Answer:
Nitrogen: $77.00
Oxygen: $20.00 (animals NEED this to live)
Water: $ 2.00 (this is the ‘real’ GHG)
Argon: $ 0.95 (that’s right, 25x the amount of CO2)
CO2: 4 cents (plants NEED this to live)
Other: 1 penny

Question3:
As you’ve heard, Humans have pumped MASSIVE amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, yet it only makes up 4 cents of the entire $100.00 of the atmosphere. (That’s 4 CO2 molecules per 10,000 air molecules). How much of these 4 cents worth of CO2 has been added by Humans?

Answer:
1 penny. (280ppm to 380ppm)

Question4:
Let’s say that Humans had subtracted a penny’s worth of CO2 from the $100.00 worth of our entire atmosphere, instead of adding CO2. What would be the impact?

Answer:
Plants would be severly impacted and dying.

There are many more points that can be made. For instance, if we continue to pump out CO2, we can probably only push the concentration of CO2 to about 5-6 cent’s worth. Also, the threshold level of CO2 above which the MSDS suggests CO2 becomes a problem for workers is 50 cents worth (5000ppm) - more than 10x the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Anyhow, you get the idea.
Feel free to steal the concept, if you find it useful...

cheee


45 posted on 12/10/2008 11:40:06 AM PST by cheee (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for 'bad hunter'...)
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To: RightWhale

I must admit that I have slacked off a bit from when I was printing and saving everyday and apparently missed the point where they began officially counting for cycle 24; never was sure if the Jan 4th 08 spot #981 was declared a 24 spot or not but from there to 1009 I guess 17 spots were ruled 23 types.

Either way, there has been darned few lately and still deserve watching.


46 posted on 12/10/2008 11:42:54 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly”

Who would of thought?


47 posted on 12/10/2008 11:43:04 AM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Another story that the MSM will not report or will bury in the back pages. Does not agree with their agenda.


48 posted on 12/10/2008 11:44:38 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Will there be any kind of monetary refund involved in this?........./sarc
49 posted on 12/10/2008 11:47:19 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Greenhouse gases are not “bad”. They are essential. If there were no greenhouse gases, the earth would be far too cold for humans. By the way, CO2 is only present in trace amounts - the latest estimate being about 380 parts per million. Water vapor is far more common.

The media, politicians, and the public are generally ignorant of basic facts. Those who talk about “fighting climate change” are airheads tilting at windmills. If they want to “fight” climate change, then they had best figure out a way to control the sun’s activity. The recent absence of sun spots suggests we may be in for “global cooling” despite all the noise being made about warming.


50 posted on 12/10/2008 11:52:02 AM PST by pleikumud
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