Skip to comments.UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
Posted on 12/10/2008 9:32:36 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF
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But, Algore has proclaimed that global warming is certainly man-made ... so, it MUST be true. Right?? </sarcasm.
Let’s hope we can kill this “beast” — AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming)...
Yet another voice of reason. I’ve heard four good things this week on Free Republic. I’m starting to get happy again. Notice to World at Large — Don’t blow it.
this is not about global warming. its about America FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Actually 650 voices of reason. One of my favorites comes from South America:
The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds. - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.
Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly
.As a scientist I remain skeptical.
31,072 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,021 with PhDs
FUNDING is the key. NO CRISIS, NO MONEY! Must have a "crisis" so the Gorebull Warming Hoax folks can line their pockets with taxpayer dollars.
What? No statements in defense of Global Warming from Dr. Heidi Cullen,,,the same one who got canned from The Weather Channel?
She was not one of the 52 authors of the IPCC report. She doesn't even rate among the IPCC crowd.
This is from the report:
It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who dont buy into anthropogenic global warming. - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.
Interesting. To some degree the hysteria might be more amenable to reason at this time, simply because the economic crisis has stolen the spotlight.
Doesn’t 650 to 52 usually mean a win ?
Maybe it is that new math - ?
Truer words were never spoken. Recycling bottles, using reusable grocery totes, and driving a Prius are their tithes to "Mother Earth."
Note that AlGore has turned down some kind of “global warming czar” position with the Obama administration.
Obama has too and he is about to sell out the U.S. over it.
Gore also flys around the world in a private jet, such a hypocrite.
Unfortunately, despite what the IPCC and Al Gore might have liked to insist in the past, science doesn't work by consensus. The good news is that a lot of scientists seem to be getting cold feet on the anthropogenic global warming issue.
Anthropogenic global warming started out as an incorrect interpretation of certain scientific evidence by people whose political preferences led them to desire that such an interpretation be true.
The movement has since been taken over by those who wish to disrupt global capitalism and damage the world economy.
Some scientists are coming to see that in the face of observations that contradict the predictions of their climate models, the global warming gravy train is about to come to an end. If they choose to associate themselves and their careers with what is fast proving to be junk science and the people who are trying to destroy the very economy that supports the funding they depend on, their careers will go the way of eugenics researchers in the 1930s.
I am proud to say that my name is on that list.
Excellent thread, InABunkerUnderSF. Global warming was never about science, it was about politics, envirowackos, and greed.
I hope this Global Warming gravy train does come to an end, not that I am against other forms of energy — I moved 3 times in the last 10 years and converted each house from oil to natural gas and am looking into solar panels form my house now — anything not to give my money to OPEC.
If BO and the his new gov want to promote clean energy, they should make the cost for solar, natural gas, etc completely tax deductible and offer government loans at 1% interest for companies and homeowners as an incentive to do so.
Good for you. I also signed the Petition Project back in the late 1990s (B.S. Physics).
Dr. Arthur Robinson will be speaking at the Mar 2009 climate realist NYC conference sponsored by Heartland Institute.
All thanks due Mr. Morano and Senator Inhofe’s excellent staff.
Agreed, “global warming” is a tool used by people who would destroy capitalism and freedom if we let them.
The good news is, they seem to be scattering like cockroaches as the light is shined on them.
We have sunspot!
Sunspot group 1009
Sunspot number 11
Expecting -30 tonight
Unfortunately, it is taught in schools as FACT. The greens know the “true green revolution” will mount with the next few generations, just like Obama’s election came from the ignorant masses taught socialist pablum for the last two decades in government schools. It’s crawling marxism.
Who will pay for the fraud perpetrated on the citizens of this country now?
Here is another reason why "greens" are so wrong about the world.
The term "greenhouse gas" BTW is attributed to Dr. Carl Sagan. Dr. Sagan was attempting to describe why Venus was so much hotter than scientists expected it to be. He pointed out that CO2 has a much higher thermal capacity than the N2 and O2 that make up our atmosphere. Unfortunately Dr. Sagan came from Brooklyn and there ain't many greenhouses in Brooklyn so he never learned that greenhouses work by limiting convection and not by concentrating CO2. Therefore we are stuck with an inaccurate term that doesn't explain anything.
Combustion takes hydrocarbons and breaks them down into water vapor (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2). Water vapor is about 140% worse, molecule for molecule, as a "greenhouse gas" than carbon dioxide. Short chain hydrocarbons like methane, butane and propane put a higher ratio of water vapor versus carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than longer chain hydrocarbons like heptane and octane.
You see, by converting your homes to burn natural gas you were actually putting more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than if you had burned heating oil. By burning methane you are putting much more of the deadly greenhouse gas H2O into the atmosphere
Of course with natural gas you are also dumping tons fewer particulates into the air but hey, this is about "global warming" and "greenhouse gasses", smog was last decade's problem!
I'll give you three guesses, but you can bet it won't be Al Gore or any of the "scientists" who raked in millions in grant money to promote this fraud.
The only reason 650 scientists are claiming global warming is not man made is clearly a direct result of man made global warming.
Global warming is going through a phase where it mimics a cooling period, but in you ‘really cute grandchildrens’ lifetime, it will rear its ugly head and destroy them unless we transfer money from our accounts into algores account.
The most serious and perhaps insidious failures of the structure and use of the models comes from the systematic reduction of reporting stations and the subsequent adjustments made to the raw data left from those still maintained to better make this sparseness more robust by “fitting” it to the more cooperative canary-points hand-selected by the modelers.
Unfortunately for them, they seem to have been caught recently by much more attentive observers whose interest is piqued more by accuracy than by suitability and now they are in the process of re-adjusting it while laboriously hammering the stubborn little squares into their nicely rounded but empty holes.
Still, as one critic casually commented at the beginning of the link, the relationship of clouds and their natural tendency to form about small particles also illustrates the backdoor for these sleazeballs to escape into the morass of regulation as the latest focus of regulation by the EPA and all its sisters, cousins and henchkin in chief now target PM2.5 as though every speck of dust is manmade and threaten to shutdown all construction or invention if the air is not left washed clean.
Result?, they still win, we still freeze for lack of fuel to heat our crumbling hovels and we still stick our bony fingers forward to receive our crumbs of cake.
It’s not just American Freedom any more...I’m throughly convinenced they want a new world order, and they are hell bent on delivering it.
These power hungry, rich, SOBs that don’t do more than direct some funds here and screw a few middle class there.
Where’s that person on the Corner of Wall and Broad with the sign that says “Jump you F-—ers”?
But, on a positive, how about one for the good guys for a change?!!!!!!
>> I am a skeptic Global warming has become a new religion. - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
Lower right. Sunspot group.
Sing it brother...
The report on the petitionproject web site is very interesting reading and the best comparative analysis I have seen on the subject. I had seen some of the information presented at different times and places, but this report is a home run.
You, me, and who else?
Pass the link to everyone you know and ask them to do the same.
One of the biggest problems we deniers face is that few real facts are ever given by the AGW crowd. This is intentional, of course. For instance, they throw around labels like green and clean but never define them. It can be demonstrated that the atmosphere is cleaner today that it has been in decades (in the U.S.), if not centuries (parts of Europe). How can something like CO2, necessary for life itself, be labeled dirty? It boggles the mind.
Ive come up with (what I think is) a simple, understandable-by-anyone concept to explain why folks should stop being afraid of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere.
Heres line of thinking:
What are the molecules that compose air? Name them in order of most-to-least abundant.
Nitrogen, Oxygen, Water, Argon, Carbon Dioxide, and Other.
If you take a random (or average) sampling of 10,000 molecules of air and assume that each molecule is worth a penny, how much would each of the different components of the air be worth?
(Note: 10,000 pennies is the same as $100.00. If you couch the discussion in dollars and cents rather than, say, PPM - folks will have an easier time grasping the numbers. Even a second grader understands completely the difference between a $20. bill and 4 pennies.)
Oxygen: $20.00 (animals NEED this to live)
Water: $ 2.00 (this is the real GHG)
Argon: $ 0.95 (thats right, 25x the amount of CO2)
CO2: 4 cents (plants NEED this to live)
Other: 1 penny
As youve heard, Humans have pumped MASSIVE amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, yet it only makes up 4 cents of the entire $100.00 of the atmosphere. (Thats 4 CO2 molecules per 10,000 air molecules). How much of these 4 cents worth of CO2 has been added by Humans?
1 penny. (280ppm to 380ppm)
Lets say that Humans had subtracted a pennys worth of CO2 from the $100.00 worth of our entire atmosphere, instead of adding CO2. What would be the impact?
Plants would be severly impacted and dying.
There are many more points that can be made. For instance, if we continue to pump out CO2, we can probably only push the concentration of CO2 to about 5-6 cents worth. Also, the threshold level of CO2 above which the MSDS suggests CO2 becomes a problem for workers is 50 cents worth (5000ppm) - more than 10x the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Anyhow, you get the idea.
Feel free to steal the concept, if you find it useful...
I must admit that I have slacked off a bit from when I was printing and saving everyday and apparently missed the point where they began officially counting for cycle 24; never was sure if the Jan 4th 08 spot #981 was declared a 24 spot or not but from there to 1009 I guess 17 spots were ruled 23 types.
Either way, there has been darned few lately and still deserve watching.
Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly”
Who would of thought?
Another story that the MSM will not report or will bury in the back pages. Does not agree with their agenda.
Greenhouse gases are not bad. They are essential. If there were no greenhouse gases, the earth would be far too cold for humans. By the way, CO2 is only present in trace amounts - the latest estimate being about 380 parts per million. Water vapor is far more common.
The media, politicians, and the public are generally ignorant of basic facts. Those who talk about “fighting climate change” are airheads tilting at windmills. If they want to “fight” climate change, then they had best figure out a way to control the sun’s activity. The recent absence of sun spots suggests we may be in for “global cooling” despite all the noise being made about warming.
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